Australia's tough new anti-terror laws

MrQuan · 27-09-2005, 07:16 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4285304.stm

They can hold people in captivity for 2 weeks without a charge?! I think we are becoming over policed... there must be some other way to deal with terrorism, right? I can understand they need to catch the bastards, but couldn't innocent people be effected by this?

What do you guys think?

Laminge · 27-09-2005, 07:17 PM

I think I would rather us talk about Car stuff, wonder how long this thread will last

MrQuan · 27-09-2005, 07:30 PM

I take it not long after that Laminge! :yeees:

This thread would probably lead to arguement in the end though. Best this thread be deleted in that case.

TuMor · 27-09-2005, 07:37 PM

Seems that noone cares XDDD

MrQuan · 27-09-2005, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TuMor

Seems that noone cares XDDD

I think judging by Laminge's comment this thread has been unofficially closed.

Psycho Chicken · 27-09-2005, 07:59 PM

Not closed, just being held for 14 days without charge.

I'm not fussed by it. Probably because I'm white. Does the Muslim community have reason to be worried? Probably. Will it encourage them to dob in any wrong doers to keep a clean image of themselves? I hope so.

bindi · 27-09-2005, 08:09 PM

I think they suck the big one

: basically because it is a breach of our rights and they can basically hold anyone on any kind of reason, whether real or imagined.

gtfpv · 27-09-2005, 08:20 PM

mmmmmmmm i dont know i wont comment because it will probably be a 20 page reply. so i will just make a notation !!!!!!!

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MrQuan · 27-09-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bindi

I think they suck the big one

: basically because it is a breach of our rights and they can basically hold anyone on any kind of reason, whether real or imagined.

I half agree with that. I think if they have a legitimate reason, they should be able to hold someone - but not for too long. I think everyone should be entitled to a hearing in court swiftly, none of this waiting for months in gaol for a day in court.

I think the government takes advantage of situations and media hype to lay down news laws, taxes, and enything else in their favour.

Falcon Freak · 27-09-2005, 08:26 PM

I suggest to those who have not read the novel 'Brave New World' to go to your local library and get a copy. Because that is where our society is heading.

FF

MrQuan · 27-09-2005, 08:27 PM

Will do. I've read 1984 by George Orwell and found that interesting. Same gist I suppose?

bindi · 27-09-2005, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MrQuan

I half agree with that. I think if they have a legitimate reason, they should be able to hold someone - but not for too long. I think everyone should be entitled to a hearing in court swiftly, none of this waiting for months in gaol for a day in court.

I think the government takes advantage of situations and media hype to lay down news laws, taxes, and enything else in their favour.

Yes... let's look at David Hicks. I think that's what I am imagining with these laws.

FordFan86 · 27-09-2005, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MrQuan

Will do. I've read 1984 by George Orwell and found that interesting. Same gist I suppose?

Excellent booK! SO true...many things he predicted have come true in some way or another.

12 · 27-09-2005, 08:33 PM

Just wait and watch how the Police force WILL abuse that law.

MO · 27-09-2005, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

I suggest to those who have not read the novel 'Brave New World' to go to your local library and get a copy. Because that is where our society is heading.

FF

AAhhh an Aldous Huxley fan......coming soon to a town near you ....SOMA

MO · 27-09-2005, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MrQuan

Will do. I've read 1984 by George Orwell and found that interesting. Same gist I suppose?

Not quite but still similar...just no SOMA

paul7v7 · 27-09-2005, 09:27 PM

meh i will wait and see what happens but i don't do anything wrong or perceive to be doing anything wrong so it doesn't bother me at all.

MO · 27-09-2005, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 012

Just wait and watch how the Police force WILL abuse that law.

When it comes to something like this the cops get told what to do by the feds they don't have a say and don't forget the cops are human beings just like you and me doing a job.

I will now bite my tongue.

XA-Coupe · 27-09-2005, 09:37 PM

There is supposedly parliamentary oversight to go with the new laws. That only makes it more laughable.
Even with my law enforcement background I get a bit nervous about a period of detention with no charges clause. We need laws tailored to the new situation but I reckon they could have used a bit more nouse.

Simmo · 27-09-2005, 09:56 PM

Australia = Not America Please

Black XR6 · 27-09-2005, 10:29 PM

I to have something against periods of detention without charge. I will be interested to see what exactly is the wording of such a law. And what safeguards are in place. JH says he dosnt agree with a sunset clause because terrorism dosnt have one basically. But who is to say in ten years ( a proposed time limit for the legislation) that we wont need such laws. Id rather a ten year sunset clause and have to roll it over if its needed then have it written in permenantly and never see it fased out.

But, in this day and age of Terrorism some actions are necessary and this is just one of the proposals I guess. Its a sad world.

27-09-2005, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Not closed, just being held for 14 days without charge.

I'm not fussed by it. Probably because I'm white. Does the Muslim community have reason to be worried? Probably. Will it encourage them to dob in any wrong doers to keep a clean image of themselves? I hope so.

Im White Australian and also Muslim.......infact there are a lot of "white" muslim australians. While im not a big fan of the new laws, i guess in the present climate its better to be safe than sorry. Any laws that give the authorities more power will get abused at some point, but if it helps to keep australia safe...not too many ppl will complain.

**Charliewool** · 27-09-2005, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Laminge

I think I would rather us talk about Car stuff, wonder how long this thread will last

It IS a fact of life mate, AND where we're heading!

Not closed, just being held for 14 days without charge.

I'm not fussed by it. Probably because I'm white. Does the Muslim community have reason to be worried? Probably. Will it encourage them to dob in any wrong doers to keep a clean image of themselves? I hope so.

Psycho chicken... Top words!.. (NOT fussed)
We, ALL of us, have to accept that we are now living in a different world... And we are no longer immune from it all.

EL_Advanti..."Im White Australian and also Muslim.......infact there are a lot of "white" muslim australians. While im not a big fan of the new laws, i guess in the present climate its better to be safe than sorry. Any laws that give the authorities more power will get abused at some point, but if it helps to keep australia safe...not too many ppl will complain."
Now .. THIS is our only possible future.... It's called TOLERANCE,.....

XA-Coupe · 27-09-2005, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by charliewool

It IS a fact of life mate, AND where we're heading!

Fact of life or not, this subject is controversial and historically things like this turn sour. under the Terms and Conditions we may close these sorts of threads at our discretion.

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Originally Posted by charliewool

Now .. THIS is our only possible future.... It's called TOLERANCE,.....

The problem we have is that you cannot tell a radical terrorist from the joe average on the street. We have to be tolerant but we also have to protect the community.

**Charliewool** · 28-09-2005, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by XA Coupe

Fact of life or not, this subject is controversial and historically things like this turn sour. under the Terms and Conditions we may close these sorts of threads at our discretion.

The problem we have is that you cannot tell a radical terrorist from the joe average on the street. We have to be tolerant but we also have to protect the community.

Agree XA... Close it then!.....
It bloody IS extremely controversal.
BUT... It IS also NOW a fact of life...We cannot continue to bury our heads and deny the fact.... I think open, sensible discussion is not just benificial, but important... For gawd's sake, have a little respect for the intelligence of us all here. (off my box now.. Cheers)

XA-Coupe · 28-09-2005, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by charliewool

Agree XA... Close it then!.....
It bloody IS extremely controversal.
BUT... It IS also NOW a fact of life...We cannot continue to bury our heads and deny the fact.... I think open, sensible discussion is not just benificial, but important... For gawd's sake, have a little respect for the intelligence of us all here. (off my box now.. Cheers)

So far it is being handled quite well so there is no need to close it. You are making a big deal out of nothing more than a reminder.
I respect nearly everyone's intelligence but unfortunately, not everyone is tolerant. Once some people are confronted with an opposing viewpoint they just get abusive. All we want is to avoid that. Some people can't 'discuss' things without resorting to sniping.
Enough has been said about this subject unless you want to continue by PM

py:

Walkinshaw · 28-09-2005, 01:50 AM

A very stict way to look at it is this.

Do you wish to be protected as a member of the public? If so accept these laws.
If you feel you do not wish for this protection, leave the country.

Ofcourse this is a HIGHLY simplified view it is one that can be taken.

XD-Machine · 28-09-2005, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MrQuan

I half agree with that. I think if they have a legitimate reason, they should be able to hold someone - but not for too long. I think everyone should be entitled to a hearing in court swiftly, none of this waiting for months in gaol for a day in court.

I think the government takes advantage of situations and media hype to lay down news laws, taxes, and enything else in their favour.

probably not only taking advantage of the situation but what if.......they created the situation!!!! What i mean by that is the goverment makes this "terrorism" thing up to create panic so they can start marshial law.

NIGHTHAWK · 28-09-2005, 06:55 AM

I suppose it is good that the government is seen to be looking after our welfare but put yourself in a muslim shoes for 1 day and see how it feels to be on the other side of the fence.

NAK302 · 28-09-2005, 07:03 AM

conspiracy theory on FF. ya gotta love that.

i'm thinking i'm not a terrorist, or pray with one therefore this new law will have absolutly nothing to do with me. the harder the better. it's about time this country started sticking up for itself instead of back peddling to minority groups.
if this new law prevents just 1 moron blowing the sydney opera house up and killing a thousand people then the law will be justified.

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