Road User Charges as soon as 2020?

[au2000]

following article shows that Victoria closely followed by NSW are looking to introduce a 4c per kilometre Road User charge which will initially be focusing on electric vehicles but will flow down in time to all road users due to falling tax income.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/f...20-p53cdj.html

How do we think this will play out? log book system perhaps or annual check of sorts on a vehicles speedo before it will be re-registered?

[GTMOND]

It would make sense, as long as they aren't double dipping with IC engined cars with fuel as well as road users tax.

[Trevor 57]

been there done that.

Back in the 7's or 80's (maybe earlier) all trucks and buses paid a 'road user tax' on diesel, I think they still do in NZ. Basically diesel at the bowser was cheaper but the user had to pay a tax, back in those days there was a proliferation of car diesels, they were nearly all HV's. They only paid tax on diesel used 'o road', so farmers in paddocks were exempt, log truck 'off road' were exempt but they had to pay for the 'on road' component. Tip trucks were the same. From memory they had to record the data via hub-o-meters, or was that NZ? LOL

With the take up of diesel 4x4 cars it was decided to tax everyone at the bowser but with those using it 'off road' (for work purposes) can claim a rebate from the government, I think that still stands

[russellw]

NZ does use a hub based system for monitoring of the road use tax for all diesel powered vehicles but the trade off is the lower pump price.

[Dodge]

they did a 4c for 4 years b4 the sydney olimpics, i dont think it was ever removed . they just want more and more, the latest is the war on water , gov and corporations bought the water rights and now making its value very high by holding it from the farmers , if they start slugging us for driving then we should all go on strike , why are we paying so much just to live in this country

[smoo]

Originally Posted by russellw

NZ does use a hub based system for monitoring of the road use tax for all diesel powered vehicles but the trade off is the lower pump price.

A lot of fleets going away from hubos and to electronic tracking.

https://www.eroad.co.nz/nz/products/...lectronic-ruc/

Light vehicles under 3500kg go off the odometer.
The upside of this is if your vehicle is old enough you can disable the odometer to get around RUC. This makes for cheap motoring.

Where I am 91 is currently $2.32/l while diesel is $1.65/l plus $76 per 1000km for LVs.
Running a diesel LV is negligible.

I wouldn’t be surprised if governments in the future introduce an RUC type system for all ICE vehicles to subsidise and encourage the uptake of EVs.

[roKWiz]

The upside of this is if your vehicle is old enough you can disable the odometer to get around RUC.


I can remember people doing that when they hired the service station utes back in the day of cable odometers. Not that I would do it.

[simon varley]

as a motorcyclist, can my user charges be half of the cars please as I have less wheels to wear out the road?

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by simon varley

as a motorcyclist, can my user charges be half of the cars please as I have less wheels to wear out the road?

popping wheelies will be less again.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by simon varley

as a motorcyclist, can my user charges be half of the cars please as I have less wheels to wear out the road?

What about all the lane splitting which wears out all the white lines. Lols.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by au2000

How do we think this will play out? log book system perhaps or annual check of sorts on a vehicles speedo before it will be re-registered?

They could do it a couple of ways. GPS would probably be the easiest and NSW already records your Odometer reading at each annual roadworthy (for cars over 5 years old)

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

been there done that.

Back in the 7's or 80's (maybe earlier) all trucks and buses paid a 'road user tax' on diesel,

And I spent a couple of days sitting in both Blockades

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

They could do it a couple of ways. GPS would probably be the easiest and NSW already records your Odometer reading at each annual roadworthy (for cars over 5 years old)And I spent a couple of days sitting in both Blockades

As a kid I enjoyed the Razorback blockade, wish I had a camera then.

[CyberWasp]

What an awesome idea.
Paying 4c a kilometer, on top of a toll to travel on roads the government didn't even build.

[Sioso]

Originally Posted by Dodge

they did a 4c for 4 years b4 the sydney olimpics, i dont think it was ever removed . they just want more and more, the latest is the war on water , gov and corporations bought the water rights and now making its value very high by holding it from the farmers , if they start slugging us for driving then we should all go on strike , why are we paying so much just to live in this country

Why not just stop giving us wages altogether, our income can go straight to the government and they can plant a chip in our forehead that tells us where to go and what to do.

[Ben73]

Get rid of fuel excise and rego fees and I will be happy with it.

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by Sioso

Why not just stop giving us wages altogether, our income can go straight to the government and they can plant a chip in our forehead that tells us where to go and what to do.

Are you serious ?

We used to pay much higher income tax & do you remember when sales tax (pre-2000) was anything up to 32.5% ?

Dr Terry

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

They could do it a couple of ways. GPS would probably be the easiest and NSW already records your Odometer reading at each annual roadworthy (for cars over 5 years old)And I spent a couple of days sitting in both Blockades

https://www.smh.com.au/national/from...03-p51ah5.html

I see not much has changed except the skin colour of the drivers

[ebv8]

so if you are poor and live further away from cities you get penalised more for driving to work even if there are no trains or busses?
they should just penalise people who use cars in cities like they do in london

[Sioso]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Are you serious ?

We used to pay much higher income tax & do you remember when sales tax (pre-2000) was anything up to 32.5% ?

Dr Terry

I am more bothered by the fact the government is constantly coming up with new ways of measuring and monitoring everyone.
They seem overly concerned with what we do, how we do it and when we do it.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by ebv8

so if you are poor and live further away from cities you get penalised more for driving to work even if there are no trains or busses?
they should just penalise people who use cars in cities like they do in london

It's only for electric cars at this stage - if you've got a $100K plus Tesla you probably aren't struggling to pay the bills

[five 7]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

They could do it a couple of ways. GPS would probably be the easiest and NSW already records your Odometer reading at each annual roadworthy (for cars over 5 years old)And I spent a couple of days sitting in both Blockades

Yes and because they are concerned about your safety and wellbeing they can kindly monitor your speed for you as well.

[five 7]

Originally Posted by russellw

NZ does use a hub based system for monitoring of the road use tax for all diesel powered vehicles but the trade off is the lower pump price.

We still pay through the nose for diesel, and the RUC charges always seem to be increasing every year. Plus in auckland we get hit with a 10 cents a litre congestion tax on petrol.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by five 7

We still pay through the nose for diesel, and the RUC charges always seem to be increasing every year. Plus in auckland we get hit with a 10 cents a litre congestion tax on petrol.

Should introduce congestion tax on 457 Visa in Melbourne and Sydney + $200K if you migrate to the two big boys

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by smoo

url]https://www.eroad.co.nz/nz/products/ruc-compliance/eroad-electronic-ruc/[/url]



Light vehicles under 3500kg go off the odometer.

The upside of this is if your vehicle is old enough you can disable the odometer to get around RUC. This makes for cheap motoring.


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I remember being in my mates diesel 626 circa 2004/5 and getting pulled over by the cops, he made us drive up to the next set of lights and come back because he believed our odometer was disconnected.
It was hahaha, my mate got reamed in court over that. He disconnected it after each wof and when they went through the wof records he was travelling less than 100km between wofs despite it failing for worn out tyres etc.


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[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Sioso

I am more bothered by the fact the government is constantly coming up with new ways of measuring and monitoring everyone.
They seem overly concerned with what we do, how we do it and when we do it.

That’s because we are actually a communist state. The only reason we Openly call it a democracy is that we are allowed to talk about it without getting shot.
That aside...
If we keep allowing greedy councils and developers to subdivide the crap out of everything, then congestion and over use is the sour fruit of what we have sown. Making people pay for using poorly thought out infrastructure wont solve anything. If you “invite” people to come join the party in the big cities, then be prepared to put on a show. The govt should find a way to put up or shut the @&$k up.

[Adamz Ghia]

At 4 cents per km I’m up for $1,200 a year, up from the current $690. Assuming excise is removed I’ll save $1800 a year on petrol. (30,000km a year, BFII XR6 Ute)

I’ll save $1290 a year, which means this won’t happen as they’re not going to introduce a policy where we come out ahead.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

At 4 cents per km I’m up for $1,200 a year, up from the current $690. Assuming excise is removed I’ll save $1800 a year on petrol. (30,000km a year, BFII XR6 Ute)

I’ll save $1290 a year, which means this won’t happen as they’re not going to introduce a policy where we come out ahead.

Where did you see the 4c per km?

[au2000]

The 4 cent comment is in the article, I can see this in time being translated to all road users, just not sure how they will enforce it

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by simon varley

as a motorcyclist, can my user charges be half of the cars please as I have less wheels to wear out the road?

but motorcyclist have a reputation of wearing their skin out on the road, adding to an increase in my TAC levy