VFACTS - July 2024

[prydey]

That should complete Franco's bingo card for the thread, going off topic.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

That should complete Franco's bingo card for the thread, going off topic.

We need to keep PG2 on his toes otherwise if it wasn't for me his hair would have grown back

[kypez]

Originally Posted by prydey

https://data.aaa.asn.au/ev-index/



EV sales, while still increasing have definitely softened. 1-2 years ago there was a big surge as more and more manufacturers entered the market and prices came down.



Sales have softened since. Hybrids appear to be having a surge but too early to say if it will continue longer term. While a lot is simply Toyota sales, it's not all of it.



Having said that PHEV aren't really showing a big change so perhaps it is largely the Toyota effect.

We won't see EV growth like 2 years ago again until they unlock a new segment. In this country, it's the dual cab ute segment.

When Toyota decides all their Hilux's will be hybrid, we'll see a huge jump in hybrids again.

For the rest of the year, I'm willing to wager that hybrid numbers continue to grow like crazy based on Toyota alone and their change in strategy. And the comparison to this time last year will (month by month) will look like people have gone all in on hybrids whilst it's just Toyota purchases where consumers can't option anything but a hybrid.

[Franco Cozzo]

I'm somewhat interested in the new Suzuki Swift hybrid even though it's the latest thing ever

12V 'hybrid' with a 3KW electric motor, that's why it costs cents in the dollar because it's a joke

It's the first time that segment has had someone introduce a new technology to it in the last 20 years

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I'm somewhat interested in the new Suzuki Swift hybrid even though it's the latest thing ever



12V 'hybrid' with a 3KW electric motor, that's why it costs cents in the dollar because it's a joke



It's the first time that segment has had someone introduce a new technology to it in the last 20 years

Might only be 3kw but probably 40Nm of torque which is what they need. Plug the low end torque deficit.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I'm somewhat interested in the new Suzuki Swift hybrid even though it's the latest thing ever

12V 'hybrid' with a 3KW electric motor, that's why it costs cents in the dollar because it's a joke

It's the first time that segment has had someone introduce a new technology to it in the last 20 years

Yaris is hybrid only now, range starts at $32k!

[XR Martin]

Swift hybrid has a 1.2L, 61kw/112nm.
Don't think the electric motor is doing much...

[kevino]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Swift hybrid has a 1.2L, 61kw/112nm.
Don't think the electric motor is doing much...

Elec motor 63 nm of torque
At certain times
Car only weighs 950 kg
It’s 12.5 sec 0/100
But prob doesn’t feel slow

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by kevino

Elec motor 63 nm of torque
At certain times
Car only weighs 950 kg
It’s 12.5 sec 0/100
But prob doesn’t feel slow

So it weighs about 100kg more than a 1990s Ford Festiva and makes the same power and torque as something with one camshaft and only two valves per cylinder that's a 30 year old engine

I feel Suzuki would have been better served by just using their 1.4L 'boosterjet' engine across the entire range rather than dealing with the complexity of introducing the world's most useless electric motor