Xy Gtho = $1 Million. - Page 3

fordAU · 09-09-2007, 03:08 AM

Interesting article on Bowdens site about Pete Geoghegan's GTHO Super Falcon, for those not familiar with the HO have a read.
http://www.bowdensown.com.au/cars/gthosupa.html

56L · 09-09-2007, 08:54 AM

this whole "fastest four door production car in the world " thing makes me laugh.
Was there even another contender? most other v8 aussie bathurst cars at the time were two doors let alone nearly all other sports cars in the world.

And being ahead of time ,i doubt it ,how much slower was it compared to the late 60,s shelbys

I really think the realistic market value would be $200k tops

Maybe everyone that sells one should pay mr moffat a huge chunk of commision as he made these cars for what they are ,no one else LOL

BENT_8 · 09-09-2007, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by fordAU

Interesting article on Bowdens site about Pete Geoghegan's GTHO Super Falcon, for those not familiar with the HO have a read.
http://www.bowdensown.com.au/cars/gthosupa.html

Interesting read, i see the cars were originally XW's that were facelifted to look like XY's but technically were XW builds from factory.
We all know that most racers reused older shells with cosmetic facelifts to represent the current model of the time, but what was the go in 71, were the XY factory racers facelifted XW shells built to XY ph3 spec or did Ford hand over new bodies with both models?

4Vman · 09-09-2007, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by smally351

My old 6cyl XY GS and my old XB wagon have both raced at Bathurst too, with a few slabs in the back and some camping gear, but we are talking THE race. The one and only endurance race that gets the attention of the nation.
Once they stopped racing production, or improved production cars in that race, they killed the likelyhood of those cars acheiving cult status and sky high prices in the future.

Spot on.. but then again you obviously understand history and what happened.. some others STILL clearly have no idea.

Nikked · 09-09-2007, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by smally351

Once they stopped racing production, or improved production cars in that race, they killed the likelyhood of those cars acheiving cult status and sky high prices in the future.

But they haven't really stop racing production cars at that track (well its on and of and not the 1000), the focus has just shifted to the V8 supercars...and the creation of that catagory was because our (australian) cars couldn't compete against the imports...

...and im glad some one brought up the 'super falcon' aswell.

I know GTHO are great but the mantra is getting old and repetitve. It was easier to do what the GTHO did back in the day because. 1. It had no direct competitor, and 2. rules change.

Nikked · 09-09-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 56L

this whole "fastest four door production car in the world " thing makes me laugh.
Was there even another contender? most other v8 aussie bathurst cars at the time were two doors let alone nearly all other sports cars in the world.

And being ahead of time ,i doubt it ,how much slower was it compared to the late 60,s shelbys

I really think the realistic market value would be $200k tops

Maybe everyone that sells one should pay mr moffat a huge chunk of commision as he made these cars for what they are ,no one else LOL

Some poeple clearly do have an idea,and arnt disillusioned buy the whole thing. I mean some american classics havn't reached a million yet and the GTHO cost just as much now as a Surperbird...

buickman · 09-09-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Spot on.. but then again you obviously understand history and what happened.. some others STILL clearly have no idea.

Most of the members here would not have been born when those cars raced and did not grow up with those cars been seen on the roads as daily drivers.
Even the HK-HG 327/350 Monaros. L34/A9X/ XU1 Toranans and E38-E49 Chargers are out of the average Joes ability to buy one now. Those that are buying them are mostly baby boomers with money.

I owned a HT GTS Monaro 308 I sold for $1,500 in the early 80's and a E57 (360) Charger 770 & very clean 351 XB GS manual I sold for not much more in the 80's that would fetch queit good prices nowdays. But thats life and if that bloke can get a million dollars for the XYHO good luck to him.

4Vman · 09-09-2007, 12:37 PM

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Most of the members here would not have been born when those cars raced and did not grow up with those cars been seen on the roads as daily drivers.
Even the HK-HG 327/350 Monaros. L34/A9X/ XU1 Toranans and E38-E49 Chargers are out of the average Joes ability to buy one now. Those that are buying them are mostly baby boomers with money.

I owned a HT GTS Monaro 308 I sold for $1,500 in the early 80's and a E57 (360) Charger 770 & very clean 351 XB GS manual I sold for not much more in the 80's that would fetch queit good prices nowdays. But thats life and if that bloke can get a million dollars for the XYHO good luck to him.

That's True, although i too was too young to remember the HO's or early 70's, my first recolections of Bathurst were the Falcon 1,2 Finish in 77... the difference is ive taken the time (like countless others regardless of age) to properly research and appreciate the history of these cars and Ford Australia's musclecar and motorsport history, because im an enthusiast of the old (and new) unlike some of these knockers who prove time and again they haven't got a clue with their innacurate comments!

Nikked · 09-09-2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

That's True, although i too was too young to remember the HO's or early 70's, my first recolections of Bathurst were the Falcon 1,2 Finish in 77... the difference is ive taken the time (like countless others regardless of age) to properly research and appreciate the history of these cars and Ford Australia's musclecar and motorsport history, because im an enthusiast of the old (and new) unlike some of these knockers who prove time and again they haven't got a clue with their innacurate comments!

so what you think your better then every one? Ive researched the history to, i just take a different view, and i appriciate history. Maybe you should take lesstime thinking so high of you self, cut down on sterotypes and wake up.

and who was making inaccurate comments here, who was knoking the car (i think every one here appriciates it)

Not everyone has to sit down and accept you views.

**Falcon Coupe** · 09-09-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikk O'lass

so what you think your better then every one? Ive researched the history to, i just take a different view, and i appriciate history. Maybe you should take lesstime thinking so high of you self, cut down on sterotypes and wake up.

and who was making inaccurate comments here, who was knoking the car (i think every one here appriciates it)

Not everyone has to sit down and accept you views.

And not everyone needs to see you following HO threads around trying to knockdown their achievements.

If you don't think they are worth the money then fine, leave the topic to those that do.

Nikked · 09-09-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

And not everyone needs to see you following HO threads around trying to knockdown their achievements.

If you don't think they are worth the money then fine, leave the topic to those that do.

I made a simple post until 4v dude when out of his way with personal attacks, its and open forum. We are discussing the price for a HO and i say that the price is high, does that mean others can call me basicly a dumbar5e?

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The GT is a highly desirable Aussie muscle car. I'm sure once all the hype is over XU1, GTS Monaro, and A9X prices will skyrocket.

Really they should, because they accomplised as much as what the GTs did.

I said that before (torana beat a GTHO) and was attacked by users (one inparticular). But its true, and XU1's was just as great as a GTHO they both setout to do the eaxctly what they wanted them to do.

smally289 · 09-09-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikk O'lass

I know GTHO are great but the mantra is getting old and repetitve. It was easier to do what the GTHO did back in the day because. 1. It had no direct competitor, and 2. rules change.

And this all helps make them more desirable. They were the ultimate local road and touring car of the day. Mind you, in the wet, an XU-1 was a better car, look at Bathurst '72.
Personally I wouldnt (and couldnt) pay the huge amounts of money that it costs to buy a Ph3 today.
I have only ever driven a genuine XYGT once (not a HO) and its not something I will forget in a hurry. Having driven allsorts of cars, including EB and EL GT's, '65, '68 and '96 Mustangs, HSV R8, VC HDT Commodore, Walkinshaw VL, VN SS Grp A, VN SV 5000, and numerous rice burning 200SX's and Skylines with 20+ lbs of boost, it will always be the XY that was most memorable.

4Vman · 09-09-2007, 01:51 PM

Allow me to retort:

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Originally Posted by Nikk O'lass

, does that mean others can call me basicly a dumbar5e?

Actually i never called you that, you proved it all on your own..

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Originally Posted by Nikk O'lass

II said that before (torana beat a GTHO) and was attacked by users (one inparticular). But its true, and XU1's was just as great as a GTHO they both setout to do the eaxctly what they wanted them to do.

A modified XU1 beat a modified HO in 1972 under improved production rules (group C) in a rained soaked Bathurst... where the Phase 3 held the lap record and pole for the race..
A stock Phase 3 beat a Stock XU1 at Bathurst in 1971.... under Standard production class rules... where the Phase 3 held the lap record and pole for the race..

See the difference?? if you cant then refer to point 1).

Steffo · 09-09-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

How many Taxis won Bathurst from the showroom floor ?
How many BA/BF GT's are race cars from the factory ?

How many XY HO's were made ?
How many BA/BF GT's were made ?

There are rarer factory race-car Falcons then the GT-HO PhaseIII that are worth stuff all today.

EB Falcon SS anyone? There are what... 10?

Ryan · 09-09-2007, 02:56 PM

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EB Falcon SS anyone? There are what... 10?

Please elaborate. I've never heard of those before.

BTW I'm not being sarcastic.

Steffo · 09-09-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan

Please elaborate. I've never heard of those before.

BTW I'm not being sarcastic.

They were some Saloon car racing thing from the early 90s... they made 10 of them as road cars... 4.0litre engine, pretty much an EB S-XR6 with a different name. There's an old Performance Ford article about them.

I'm going to go look for the article now...

starkersEB · 09-09-2007, 03:57 PM

Im going to be selling my EB soon I know how much its worth but if someone offers me more im not going to say nah mate it not worth that much that would be stupid. So at the end of the day a car is worth what ever someone is willing to pay for it, so if there are people willing to pay a mil for a HO its worth a mil. Simple really!

buickman · 09-09-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

A modified XU1 beat a modified HO in 1972 under improved production rules (group C) in a rained soaked Bathurst... where the Phase 3 held the lap record and pole for the race..
A stock Phase 3 beat a Stock XU1 at Bathurst in 1971.... under Standard production class rules... where the Phase 3 held the lap record and pole for the race..

See the difference?? if you cant then refer to point 1).

One of the reasons the XU1 Toranas were beating the HO's was the 14" tyres on stock 5 slotters were distorting which were causing tyre blow outs and premeture tyre change stops plus (Brock). Thats why they went to the Ferrari Daytona design 15" Globe alloy with suitable rubber.
I found a couple of articals from my archives from October 1979 Age motor market a big seller for cars then on the Saturday. Some bloke had brought three HO's new for investment plus a comparision against a Ferrari 308GTB.

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smally289 · 09-09-2007, 09:01 PM

IMO, and everyone is welcome to their own, I don't think that white HO is worth a million bucks. A more desirable colour like wild violet or electric blue in the same condition, possibly, in todays market.
Sure, a genuine GT or HO would be a nice thing to have, but I'm happy with my Fairmont. If I want to change something and deviate away from standard then I can, without butchering a classic and devaluing it.

At the end of the day, a car is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. That is what dictates the market price.

42 PHASE3 · 10-09-2007, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by smally351

Exactly, I liked his attempt at claiming his Ph4 was the one designated for Moff's race car.

indeed, i like the claim the car is a unrestored 40 miler and it has no wear on the steering wheel wood grain even more? who else smells a rat?

rod

red_hotxr6 · 10-09-2007, 07:52 AM

At the end of the day someone with A million dollars will probably pay him for it.

xe351 · 21-09-2007, 02:26 PM

Theres an interesting article in the local rag today, mildura weekly 21 sept that says a local guy (bill fisher) bought a new phase3 and ended up with paul carthew who wants 1mil for it, the interesting part is at the end of the article which says

"unconfirmed reports that Bill Fishers original car is being bought by the Ford Motor Company for around 1.2million. The company is said to be planning a re-launch of its classic muscle car"

JD86 · 21-09-2007, 02:50 PM

gee that is very interesting

i wonder if its true

red_hotxr6 · 21-09-2007, 04:09 PM

Maybe someone is trying to give ford a nudge to buy the thing>>>

4Vman · 21-09-2007, 06:41 PM

Like ive said, there are better examples around for less money..
Also Ford are in the business of making new cars, not buying old ones back at a massive price hike!

normxb · 21-09-2007, 07:09 PM

I still stick to my post at top of page "3" .. point No 1/

It's the $1M boy's gambling on the price the same as their "Stocks & Shares".

they're looking at it as an "Asset" , (only they like cars as well).

Norm

(Quote , V4man , Knows more in his little finger than I know Totally)

4Vman · 21-09-2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by normxb

I still stick to my post at top of page "3" .. point No 1/

It's the $1M boy's gambling on the price the same as their "Stocks & Shares".

they're looking at it as an "Asset" , (only they like cars as well).

Norm

(Quote , V4man , Knows more in his little finger than I know Totally)

Norm, you'll never know the irony in your statement!
Yes, its "asset" management for many now......
The particular owner in question stretches the stories though...

Bossxr8 · 22-09-2007, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by xe351

Theres an interesting article in the local rag today, mildura weekly 21 sept that says a local guy (bill fisher) bought a new phase3 and ended up with paul carthew who wants 1mil for it, the interesting part is at the end of the article which says

"unconfirmed reports that Bill Fishers original car is being bought by the Ford Motor Company for around 1.2million. The company is said to be planning a re-launch of its classic muscle car"

Can't see why they'd spend a million dollars on a HO when they could very easily ask someone in a GT club who owns one if he can bring it along to whatever event/photoshoot they'd need it for. Ford are in the red bad and don't go wasting cash for these type of things.

4Vman · 22-09-2007, 10:34 AM

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Can't see why they'd spend a million dollars on a HO when they could very easily ask someone in a GT club who owns one if he can bring it along to whatever event/photoshoot they'd need it for. Ford are in the red bad and don't go wasting cash for these type of things.

Exactly, there are plenty of people willing to have their car avaliable to Ford, a very original example is at the discovery centre on long term loan.

xe351 · 23-09-2007, 04:50 PM

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Exactly, there are plenty of people willing to have their car avaliable to Ford, a very original example is at the discovery centre on long term loan.

im not saying it makes sense, just that it was in the local paper and was interesting