Say it's not true, Holdens are easier/cheaper to mod than Fords

[Doogstar]

Just met a guy who owns and runs a Holden Performance Company, he said that Holdens are easier cheaper to modify than Fords and that the performance gains are greater with a Holden.

He said the holden computers allow more control and finer increments in the mapping, etc. So computer edits are gain many more KWs in a Holden, opposed to Ford.

He also said that performance parts (extractors, exhaust, etc) are much cheaper, so you have to spend much more money to get the same performance.

He also said a modded Holden V8 will cane a modded GT.
I think he may be a tinsy little bit biased.

Please say it ain't so and give me some ammo to fight back with.

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by Dabbler

Just met a guy who owns and runs a Holden Performance Company, he said that Holdens are easier cheaper to modify than Fords and that the performance gains are greater with a Holden.

Ask him if he's heard of an F6Typhoon....... :

[HLC]

its all supply and demand. Holdens are more popular, thus common mods get cheaper, as the market is larger all looking for a peice of the customer dollar.

[ETH02]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

Ask him if he's heard of an F6Typhoon....... :

I don't think you would have to mod the Typhoon so he would say it doesn't count :

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by ETH02

I don't think you would have to mod the Typhoon so he would say it doesn't count :

he said that Holdens are easier cheaper to modify than Fords and that the performance gains are greater with a Holden.

Lets see edit only Gen3 beat edit only F6

[Wokkas]

Obviously much easier/cheaper to cam. decent cam makes a big difference in a 350. Dollar for dollar, he's possibly right

[Ghiadude]

so what does it say about holden owners and always taking the EASY option.
Modifying a ford is not as easy/cheap but the results are there. besides who wants to be like everyone else? pfft holden lemings

[FDG 220]

Last time i looked into computers i'm pretty sure Holdens were using a Delco computer for engine management and these computers are well known for there adjustability

A lot of guys have taken these puters and put into other cars as they can be tuned fairly precisely for any given application (within reason) as the software support is already in place and has had years of development to support it

Not sure what Ford use in there cars but given popularity (especially 6T/F6) i'm sure performance tuners and performance software companies especially will jump on bandwagon soon and start writing new programs for these computers IMO

[eed-250]

Maybe true with v8's........ but when it comes to 6cyls there is NO way a holden 6 is cheaper then a ford 6 to get power out of.

[LeMans]

I have never done the sums, but I doubt that there would be much difference between then Windsor and the small block Chev V8 (I assume this is what we are refering to when we say "holden" V8). However, SB Chev vs quad-cam Ford V8 is another matter.

Furthermore, don't the SB Chev V8s have siamesed ports? This would be a poor starting point for performance improvements compared to the Windsor's non-siamesed ports. For the SB Chev to even match the Windsor on this would require buying expensive heads and manifolds. I may be wrong on this so feel free to shoot me down in flames if I am

[apolloxbgt]

Originally Posted by eed-250

Maybe true with v8's........ but when it comes to 6cyls there is NO way a holden 6 is cheaper then a ford 6 to get power out of.

This is true,I would say
v8 holdens as a whole would be cheaper to mod than v8 fords,no contest with the 6's though.

[XRated]

Originally Posted by eed-250

Maybe true with v8's........ but when it comes to 6cyls there is NO way a holden 6 is cheaper then a ford 6 to get power out of.

I was waiting for someone : /hugs I6

[ratter]

The boss 290 will make more KW unopened if tuned correctly than a Cammed LS1 could, but the LS1's are quicker because the commodore is a lighter package.

[SSBUB]

i believe the ls1's are cheaper and easier to modify than the Boss's, but agree that ford 6's are much easier and cheaper to mod than holden 6's....plus you can get more out of an inline 6 than a v6 i would say. Just look at the xr6t

[FGX-351]

plus the ls1 has been around for alot longer so theres been alot more time for performance companies to develop upgrades not to mention that the ls1 in particular is used all over the world(before anyone flames at me cause holden is now usin the ls2 or l76...ect im usin the ls1 as an example)

[Big_Fella]

lol, i might listen to a holden nut when they start producing quad cam v8 engines, arent ls1 pushrod? it might still work for them but sheesh......old news..

[XR Martin]

Pushrods are actually a 'newer' technology than OHC.

They Chevy small block V8 also hasnt had siamese ports since the LT1, which was discontinued in 1997.

The old GM 3.8L V6 has a big aftermarket in the US, they have run as fast as 6 second 1/4s. They havnt really took off here though, mainly because there was never a hero car involving that engine here, in the US they had the Buick Grand National and Turbo Trans AM, which in their day were quicker than the Vette.

[jebiga]

pleese show me a six second buik six

[jebiga]

it's cheaper to 'mod' a cleveland than a gen III than a 308 than a windsor in Australia since cleveland already has great heads and 351 ci easily taken out to 383, strokers are more pricey for other motors as are big valves... normal ports (even spacing) with canted valves were only an option on performance chev big blocks, even the gen III doesn't have canted valves... turbo/supercharger/cold air/cam/edit/exhaust packages are cheaper for holdens since more gullible people fall into that trap (more people/less price/more profit)

for bolt ons, holden is cheaper
for power, ford is better

as for 6 cyls
get real...

[monaroCountry]

It really depends on what level of power your after. For lower power levels probably the ford I6. For mid to extreem power I would definately say the LS1/2. Check out the various turbo kits for the LS1/2 engines. A stock LS1 engine (apart from the valve spring) has been shown to produces around 350-400rwkw with the Gen T turbo and intercooled kit which is $11k.

Theres also the bigger brother for around the same price(GenT 1000) that is rated at 500rwkw-800rwkw. Got to remember that these prices include fuel systems and electronics.

http://www.ls1turbo.com.au/

[Stav]

At a drag day which was 90% holdens there was perfomance place giving a seminar and saying that around 5000 dollars is required for a cam into ls1. Me and JonBays looked at each and nearly died laughing. :lookedat:

[ST09RM]

they are only much cheaper with bodykits and that sort of stuff..ive been told this by SSV and a few reckers

[all4ford]

Originally Posted by useless

At a drag day which was 90% holdens there was perfomance place giving a seminar and saying that around 5000 dollars is required for a cam into ls1. Me and JonBays looked at each and nearly died laughing. :lookedat:

I also believe that having a cam installed in an LS1 is a complete rip-off. The cost of the cam itself is easily less than a $1000. Thats some expensive labour!

[vegabass]

I have seen in various shops that cold air induction kits were cheaper for fords than the holdens.....there is a huge demand for holden bolt ons, people with SS utes will pay what the retailer will ask for it.

[SSBUB]

SS Reductions intakes....ergh!

[ratter]

Originally Posted by useless

At a drag day which was 90% holdens there was perfomance place giving a seminar and saying that around 5000 dollars is required for a cam into ls1. Me and JonBays looked at each and nearly died laughing. :lookedat:

I think the going figure is approx $3000 and that would include regassing air con, coolant for the radiator, replacement valve springs and not sure about a retune of the computer.

[svo347]

Any cam change on an ls1 requires a memcal burn

[ratter]

Originally Posted by svo347

Any cam change on an ls1 requires a memcal burn

That would apply to an efi car, I just wasn't sure if it was included in the price, but have checked APS frankstons webiste and it does.

[triple8nitro]

Its not true !!!

[phat_stak_tipa]

Originally Posted by tx3dude

so what does it say about holden owners and always taking the EASY option.
Modifying a ford is not as easy/cheap but the results are there. besides who wants to be like everyone else? pfft holden lemings

right on brother can i get an amen hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha :1syellow1