NSW Rego and LPG Tank Dates

[Citroënbender]

Bit of a curly question here, looking at a petrol + gas car for sale.

2013 dated LPG installation (Prinz system), vehicle rego expired August 2024. The owner is genuinely not car savvy and purchased from a family member. So he’s not sure if the tank was re-certified in 2023.

As the last rego period was from 2023-2024, is it possible to say with certainty, that the tank was re-stamped? Or are there ways it could have been passed with an out-of-date tank as a dual fuel car?

[ute83]

I would have thought nsw's annual check would have picked something like that up.

[prktkljokr]

If its similar to WA and if your tank has 6 months left on it at inspection, they will not, or should I say they should not pass it without a valid certification of the tank, as it will expire in the period its licenced for.

When I re-licenced my RTV, it had over 9 months left on the tanks before the 10 years was up, the pit inspector told me he was not allowed to pass it as he had to put down the date of certification of the tank and it needed a minimum of 12 months left.

Hopefully for you its the same and they had to have it certified, if so there should be a small aluminium tag with a date on it near the gas certification tag or on the tank itself.

When my tanks were re tested, the test guy gave me a aluminium tag with his certification number and the test date, he told me it had to be riveted close to the gas fitters id tag and the paperwork kept with the vehicle.

If the tank is out of date you cant licence unless the whole system is removed

[Citroënbender]

I’m hoping it’s something like that, applying. Car needs a blue slip as it stands, but the issues are otherwise trivial and to re-stamp the tank would be a big extra bite of coin.

[Citroënbender]

Hmm… Looks like it slipped through the cracks last registration renewal.

[prktkljokr]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Hmm… Looks like it slipped through the cracks last registration renewal.

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Hmm, its not what you know then

[Citroënbender]

It would seem so!

This is going to be a learning curve.

[Captain Stubing]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

It would seem so!

This is going to be a learning curve.

My POS Jeep GC has LPG installed, and when I bought it the tank had expired. It cost about $800 to have the tank certified, but I only have one servo within 10km that sells LPG, so rarely use it.

[Citroënbender]

Apparently there is a mobile tester in our area; it’s a trade only service. Hopefully I can tango with him to avoid a complete uninstall/reinstall (just removing tank) as otherwise the system seems to be working nicely. It’s a Prins SVI Series 2 that’s quite neatly installed. Glad I didn’t fill the tank while it was on the trailer!

[prktkljokr]

I just pulled the tank on mine and took it to the guy, from memory it was $165 for him to test and certify the tank, there is no need of proof that it was professionally removed and replaced, inspector only needed to see that it was in date and it was professionally tested.

[Citroënbender]

I’m starting to form the impression that re-stamping is a “standalone” process relying on the integrity of accredited parties, and spot audits. Not unlike AC servicing; no online logging that’s tied by a VIN or chassis number - or even a pressure vessel’s unique ID.

[AMB]

The testers down here put on their own registered stickers. I had one recertified once, and couldn't find it after looking everywhere for ages. Had to ring them up and ask did they forget/where did they put it.

[Crazy Dazz]

Recertification of Pressure Vessels is a serious business.

• It needs to be removed from the car
• Completely disassembled
• Paint Stripped
• Visually inspected inside and out
• Scanned with ECT
• Repainted
• Reassembled with a new cut-off valve and seal
• Then Reinstalled

You will save a lot of money if you (illegally) do the removal and installation yourself.

I found the best places were those that do SCUBA tanks. They WANTED the tank uninstalled, and therefore charged a reasonable fee for the work itself.

[prktkljokr]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Recertification of Pressure Vessels is a serious business.

• It needs to be removed from the car
• Completely disassembled
• Paint Stripped
• Visually inspected inside and out
• Scanned with ECT
• Repainted
• Reassembled with a new cut-off valve and seal
• Then Reinstalled

You will save a lot of money if you (illegally) do the removal and installation yourself.

I found the best places were those that do SCUBA tanks. They WANTED the tank uninstalled, and therefore charged a reasonable fee for the work itself.

Pretty sure the list you have there is for a different sort of certification

LPG is around 100-200 psi
Scuba tank can be as high as 3500 psi

I had mine done through (insert suburb here) auto gas, he just pressure tested it @ 300 psi for xx amount of time, then inspected for damage /rust, there was no complete disassemble I had it back within 2 hours, no paint stripping, no repaint, he fitted a new valve or part of, he did not care who pulled it or replaced it, he was the one who told me that I did not have to show who removed or replaced the tank as the certification is all Licencing want to see, even the licencing inspector did not care as they do a gas leak check when inspecting.

He told me the only thing he has to make sure of is that the tank has no damage, no rust pitting, check welds, and that it tests fine.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by prktkljokr

Pretty sure the list you have there is for a different sort of certification

LPG is around 100-200 psi
Scuba tank can be as high as 3500 psi

I had mine done through (insert suburb here) auto gas, he just pressure tested it @ 300 psi for xx amount of time, then inspected for damage /rust, there was no complete disassemble I had it back within 2 hours, no paint stripping, no repaint, he fitted a new valve or part of, he did not care who pulled it or replaced it, he was the one who told me that I did not have to show who removed or replaced the tank as the certification is all Licencing want to see, even the licencing inspector did not care as they do a gas leak check when inspecting.

He told me the only thing he has to make sure of is that the tank has no damage, no rust pitting, check welds, and that it tests fine.

Agree, also when tanks are tested a new pressure relief valve is usually installed for compliance

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Hmm… Looks like it slipped through the cracks last registration renewal.

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It didn't slip thru any "crack'. The tank was stamped 9/13 & the rego was due 8/13. The tank was was compliant at the time of rego inspection.

If the tank was "in date" at the time of inspection, that's all that matters. It will not pass in 2014 however.

I do LPG rego inspections, that's the official rule.

Dr Terry

[Citroënbender]

I find it odd that the last period of registration, concluding August 2024, would have taken in eleven months when the tank was out of date.

Anyway - I’ll be getting it restamped. Cleaning up the motor now, tank will come after that.

[Fatbob103]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

It didn't slip thru any "crack'. The tank was stamped 9/13 & the rego was due 8/13. The tank was was compliant at the time of rego inspection.

If the tank was "in date" at the time of inspection, that's all that matters. It will not pass in 2014 however.

I do LPG rego inspections, that's the official rule.

Dr Terry

100% correct. It was legal at the time. Same as you cant knock a car back for rego if the tyres will be stuffed in a months time if they are legal at the time of inspection.

[Citroënbender]

Sorted, good for ten more years at a price to make me happy.