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15-11-2015, 01:04 PM | #1 | |||
Bathed In A Yellow Glow
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Yet another write up on the demise of the local industry.
It doesnt make any mention that the local press also put the boot in. Quote:
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15-11-2015, 01:55 PM | #2 | ||
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Not much new there really, but this statement by Mr Napthine holds water ....
"The whole American car industry at that time was absolutely undergoing massive change to be competitive decision-makers in Detroit were absolutely in a mood of massive rationalization in that mindset I think it was inevitable," he says. And lets face it, our car industry(and manufacturing industry ) has been in a canoe without a paddle heading for that big water fall for decades not years. The policy direction put in place by the powers that be over decades insured it could only end this way. |
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15-11-2015, 02:08 PM | #3 | ||
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The car industry had been playing economic chicken with the government for years. $275mil was supposed to keep Holden here til 2022, and barely two years later, they want more. It had to stop.
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15-11-2015, 02:24 PM | #4 | ||
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Surely with the right business plan it could have been turned into a profitable self sustaining industry. Even if that ment cutting the falcon, commodore and camry from their respective line ups and building cars people are currently buying 4x4 utes and SUV's.
I'm a massive supporter of falcons and commodores but if they needed to be cut for the industry to survive so be it. Jobs are more important than a nameplate. |
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15-11-2015, 03:12 PM | #5 | ||
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i like the line where "gm were not going to take it any more"but were only to willing to take money from tax payers .true nothing about him and his mates in the media who hounded the magna into extinction then turned on the falcon and when that was gone started on the commodore.and what was with the line about a certain****head that used to do laps in a red vb commodore have to do with it
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15-11-2015, 03:27 PM | #6 | ||
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The guy is a knob, we all know that. Nothing new there!
They can throw there arms up in the air and carry on about it as much as they like but truth is look at what you see driving around the streets. I went to Sydney during last week and truthfully I think Aussie made cars would account for about 5% of the cars I saw on the road. Also I went to Bathurst this year and the car park was full of Hilux's, Tritons and Hyundai's and this is meant to be the Ford/Holden die hard faithfuls. Hardly a Falcodore to be seen. I felt like a rebel driving a Territory. Sad days but we did it to ourselves. It scares me to think what it's going to cost in a few years time when the only 2nd hand car I can buy will be an import and it needs work....
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15-11-2015, 03:50 PM | #7 | ||
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Just so people dont mistake the reporter for Joshua Dowling the Motoring Journalist.
This article is written by Jason Dowling who has been a Political Reporter and Editor for The Age and is now employed as one of its Senior Reporters. The Age and The SMH are sister papers. I do agree though that some in the media certainly helped fuel public opinion into the direction of thinking the car industry was no longer providing relevant vehicles and therefore was a burden on tax payer funds. There was a period of time when the media definitely didnt go in to bat for the local industry. |
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15-11-2015, 07:32 PM | #8 | ||
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No electric car program?
Who cares if they leave..the sooner the better so someone in touch with future needs can take up the govt funding. I mean really...$275 million for an aluminium panel on a commodore? FFS..they milked us dry for years...goodbye general motors and good riddance. |
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15-11-2015, 07:33 PM | #9 | ||
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A rather long article that fails to mention a critical point - the nose dive in sales for the Commodore and Falcon. WTF?
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15-11-2015, 09:31 PM | #10 | ||
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15-11-2015, 10:28 PM | #11 | ||
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Does anyone remember when every rep's car was a Commodore or a Falcon? When company cars were sedans, not dual cab Utes?
Fleet sales were massively important. Think about the cars bought for fleets now, and who legislated what fleets could buy without tax implications.
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15-11-2015, 10:58 PM | #12 | |||
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16-11-2015, 03:12 AM | #13 | ||
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If I picked 1 individual as the main catalyst for bringing down our auto industry it would be Josh (I really hate Fords) Dowling!
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16-11-2015, 04:02 AM | #14 | ||
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It's simple. Unions, a global economy, and a shift in the market from sedans and station wagons dispersed over a larger variety of vehicle types. Also the headquarters of each manufacturer all wanting to consolidate their global vehicle range and produce them as cost effectively as they can (but that is in response to unions and global economy).
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16-11-2015, 07:32 AM | #15 | ||
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I still think its a joke that all these people think the government was "wasting" 275million on the car industry and now it will be able to spend that same money on something else, well no, government cash flow will be reduced and there will be less money to go around once the car companies pack up shop.
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16-11-2015, 08:21 AM | #16 | ||
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16-11-2015, 09:20 AM | #17 | ||
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16-11-2015, 09:45 AM | #18 | ||
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What killed it?
All these and probably more factor into the failure of the local industry. Not one can be blamed on its own. It is time for AU to move away from this and begin looking at investing in other industries for future. If car manufacturing is what we still want to do then we need to be on top of the game. Not lagging behind. Looking at future technologies, electric, Hydrogen, etc. It may not be full scale manufacturing but even as a suppliers/vendors who R&D/Build/Engineer components for these cars. When the wind of change blows, some people build walls, others build windmills. I hope we're the latter.
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16-11-2015, 01:58 PM | #19 | ||
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I'm a little harsher on the car makers. Lots of things added to the death potion, however the manufacturers had a big play in it:
1. Ford and Holden in particular were punch drunk on fleet sales. Both of them basked in the sun when everyone could pick any fleet car they wanted as long as it was a Commodore or Falcon. 2. As a result, Ford and Holden dragged their heels in improving quality and specification. 3. Joe Public, sick of (relatively) poor quality cars (ever owned an 80's Falcon?) started looking more favourably towards the imports. 4. Private buyers bought Toyotas and Mazdas. 5. Unwillingness to develop new product to suit a shifting market place. 6. Prayed to god that Falcon and Commodore would magically return to the top of the charts, ie they did nothing. 7. User choice was another nail in the coffin for the Aussie car. By the time Ford had made a genuinely great car with the FG it was all over. Too late to the party. 7 years previous they were passing off a rickshaw (AU) as a modern vehicle. The AU was mechanically sound, but belonged in a bygone era. A great product for 1993. Ofcourse there were other things too, but these points were a big factor IMHO.
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16-11-2015, 06:00 PM | #21 | ||
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16-11-2015, 06:12 PM | #22 | ||
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I'm surprised we ever had a 'real' car industry, we just never had the people.
It doesn't matter, most of Australia will be shipped to China, so WA will disappear and we can all live nice and close to each other (that's why new land/house packages are so small) You heard it hear 1st folks. UK (Tongue in cheek)
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16-11-2015, 08:25 PM | #23 | ||
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16-11-2015, 09:41 PM | #24 | ||
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16-11-2015, 10:09 PM | #27 | ||
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Too easy, John Button......
And don't give me that crap about good for the country, he started the oxidation of the car industry here. Forward thinking my ****....
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16-11-2015, 10:17 PM | #28 | ||
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Cool, can you go away now?
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16-11-2015, 11:17 PM | #29 | ||
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Hybrids are the biggest ****, more so than Chev badges on Commodores. Imagine how much further along we'd be with electric cars if instead of mucking around with these compromised wastes of space the likes of Toyota and Honda put all their resources into fully electric cars.
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17-11-2015, 01:05 AM | #30 | ||
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The Pharisees.
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