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http://www.news.com.au/national/ligh...-1226446197372
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From the same survey...
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Seemed to work pretty good for me:
![]() ![]() Doesn't matter how big your car is or how many stars she gets on the ol' safety rating when you hit an immovable object like a tree, you're going to come off second best. I reckon thats why me and the other guy come out of this alright, even if our cars where completely rooted, the way I hit him his car just got pushed out of the way, wasn't much resistance there. On a completely different point, why is the passenger airbag so big? Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 09-08-2012 at 01:00 PM. |
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the passenger air bag has to travel further.
i would always rather a big car than small car, don`t care how many stars a small car has ! |
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The volumetric area the passenger airbag has to occupy is much greater because the passenger doesnt have a steering wheel or dashboard in front of them. Consequently, the passenger airbag has to be that size to prevent the passenger's head contacting the crash pad in a frontal collision.
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I raised this very issue about 3-4 wks ago when I visited the ANCAP website. One of their tests includes the simulated crash of the vehicle into one of a similar size/weight. What a joke!
With the huge increase in SUVs and pickups on our roads the Corolla and Focus cant claim a 5star rating just like a Falcon. AND a Falcon is far less likely to roll than a Kluger! Falcons, Aurions are safest one would think. AND a little Smart car or Yaris can be flung into other lanes of traffic, or off bridges/down embankments. Last edited by turbodewd; 09-08-2012 at 01:48 PM. |
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The longer the bonnet the safer the car.
You can decellerate in 1 metre or half a metre. Forces on the body crudely double if you stop in half the time. Real world example... At 60km/h into a brick wall a Yaris=17g's (1 metre bonnet length) At 60km/h into a brick wall a Falcon=10g's (1.5 metre bonnet length) Roughly speaking of course..... |
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nou
Join Date: Oct 2007
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I can't even find crash ratings for my DD.
but I can say the AU falcon was very smooth when I crashed it, hardly felt a thing even though the noise drew a crowd. |
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Darwinism at its best, as someone who does many highway kays on bike, truck and car I can't really recall the last econo car I've seen driven with an ounce of common sense. This obviously filters through to their car purchase decision, especially when kids are involved. But if it gives people the warm and fuzzies driving a 5 star car then good on them, I'd take an old $5000 E38 7 series or W140 S Class everytime.
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this is why i cringe every time i see one of them smart "fortwo" cars.. theres no crumble zone...
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Holy crap...that photo in the article! The Falcon looks like a "open the door, get out and walk away" proposition, but the little driving school car looks like a "have the door cut off, and get carried away (quickly) on a stretcher" accident...
Airbags, crumple zones, seat belt pretensioners..none of it means squat when the little equation of "difference in size and mass" comes into play...the big car will always beat the smaller one in just about any accident... There was a study some years back that said a solid impact with a "solid immoveable object" (bridge pilon, big tree, etc) at 80kph or greater was "basically unsurviveable". Oh sure...sometimes you get the odd case of some miraculous escape from a 100kph crash into trees or a truck...but air bags or not, the human body wasn't made to take such a sudden decelleration and high G load in such a crash. Nearly always you'll end up nicely brown bread. There's also the study into, of all things, pushbike helmets that had some interesting results. It seemed to show that people in general, but young people and kids in particular, seemed to be taking more risks in traffic since helmet laws came in. It was a psychological thing that people thought they were now "completely safe" because they were wearing a few ounces of foam on their head...all the adverts told them so. There was even one place overseas (can't recall the country) that repealed helmet laws and the rate of bicycle accidents actually went down. If you read the comments by people who are actively for manditory wearing of pushbike helmets, they always, always only talk about "head injuries"...if I am toddling along on my pushbike and get hit by a car, I think head injuries will be the least of my worries, or at least just one of the myriad injuries I would end up with. Same in cars...people assume airbags and a 5 star rating make a car "automatically 100% safe". Sure they do... Same with cars I would suspect...how often have you seen someone carving up traffic in some tinny little ecomobile like they were a semi trailer, thinking they were invincible because it's got 5 stars, and just look at all the airbags I have! In their mind, it takes all the responsibility off them...if they have a crash, they simply [i]have[/i[ to come out OK....don't they...? Last edited by 2011G6E; 09-08-2012 at 03:53 PM. |
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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i found the article and have posted the link in the other thread.
i will post it here as well as it seems to be more viewed. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/bre...-1226446110866 Aussie cars score well in safety ratings From: AAP August 08, 2012 4:32PM FOUR Australian-built cars have been listed as safe picks in the latest used-car safety ratings released by the nation's motoring clubs. Herald Sun Digital Pass The local cars getting the top gong are the Ford Territory, the FG Falcon, the Toyota Aurion and the Mitsubishi 380. The ratings indicate how well each vehicle protects drivers from death or serious injury in a crash, with five stars awarded for the best performers. Five-star vehicles are also named as safe picks if they cause less serious injury to other road users in an accident, including pedestrians and cyclists. The ratings cover 197 vehicles from light cars to commercial vehicles manufactured between 1996 and 2011. Royal Automobile Association (RAA) spokesman Mark Borlace said the ratings were helpful for motorists looking to buy a safe car, because the analysis was based on real crashes. "The safe-pick rating identifies the best vehicles which not only protect the driver in crashes, but also minimise injury to other road users including pedestrians and cyclists," Mr Borlace said. But while 90 cars were rated as excellent or good, 22 were considered poor and 48 very poor. Among the worst in the family car category were the Hyundai Sonata built between 1989 and 1997 and the Mitsubishi Magna built from 1989 to 2003. In the popular small-car category the safe picks included the Honda Civic, the Peugeot 307, the Volkswagen Golf and the Volvo S40. Among the lowest rated small cars were the Daewoo Lanos, the Hyundai Accent, the Proton Wira and the Toyota Paseo. The ratings were calculated by the Monash University Accident Research Centre which analysed the injury outcomes of more than 5.8 million vehicle crashes and 1.3 million injured road users between 1987 and 2010.
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I think we should be proud of our Falcon and Terry.
Very under rated cars.
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Here's a link to the actual data for real world crashes and how they compare to the ANCAP ratings
The actual vehicle ratings are towards the bottom of the document, A couple of things I picked was that the FG falcon was one of the safest cars on the road and the WB Statesman was amongst the worst as was the Ford Bronco http://www.monash.edu.au/miri/resear...s/muarc313.pdf |
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I can see only 1 Holden v 4 Fords but in this weeks Drivel, Carsguide or Smithys **** column the heading will be Holden Captiva scores as one of the safest used cars around.
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ancap ratings are only to be compared against cars of similar mass and similar category. it says so somewhere on their own website. i know i've read it there before. this has always been the case.
the confusion comes from the manufacturers, with all of them claiming '5 star safety' without telling the full story. it would be almost impossible for ancap to test in any other way. it would require testing that was extremely extensive and would take forever to cover all variables. the way they do it now, all cars are tested the same and the ratings are comparable across each segment. Quote:
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Grain of salt. I feel quite safe in my XR5.
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Id rather have a truck run up my **** in the Falcon then a Focus Hatch or Fiesta Hatch... More room for impact.... The closer the impact is to you, the less chance you have. I have friends running around in new small hatches with babies in the back and i just scratch my head.... Someone runs up their **** the baby is going to have no chance... They would have been better off buying a 3 year old FG Falcon if safety was their main concern, but since little cars have the same safety rating then its automatically okay to assume they are just as safe. These crash ratings mean jack **** neways... a $11,000 Cherry could have a 5 star safety rating providing it had side and curtain airbags, abs, dsc and a seatbelt reminder..... Doesnt mean the car is going to fair better then a 1998 AU Falcon in a head on.
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Yeah some valid points there Brent. Guess having some distance between you and the impact is good for the mind, but i think putting a little faith in the technology in smaller cars is needed aswell.
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561317_297023757043608_49164418_n.jpgTake a look at what an AU did to this SS ute
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I've seen a 02' camry write-off a VY commmodore...Camry got repaired...and the this was in 05, back when the Vy was still fairly new.
That aside, there are greater factors that effect a car in a crash. -Speed -Road surface -Car maintainance -The nugget behind the wheel. -Weather -Impact angle etc... ANCAP can only do so much, they provide a standerdised rating to compare cars and give buyers a guide on whats better for safety. They can't test every plausable situation. And anyone who thinks that the "length of the bonnet" or space around the car is an idicator of saftey, that is mis-informed...the overall design plays are far greater part...
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yeah...Front wheel drive car versus rear wheel drive car and a very selective offset collision to pass by the side of the volvo engine. Also that video is known to be a lie, that model Volvo is a 740 with 940 badges, a fake. (940 had airbags and Side impact protection system and was significantly safer than a 740.) We bought one for our 18 year old and it has already saved injury. |
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Looks like most of us have already forgotten this test. The little Fiat 500 has a 5-star rating, but look how well it holds up against an Audi SUV. |
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And the badges effect safety now? The video clearly shows that the smaller car is just as safe (if not safer) then the larger car. Obviously, its not a video comparing airbags, but the damaged sustained on impact. And quite frankly, the way the dash and steering wheel gets propelled gets rocketed into the Volvo drivers face is alarming, Airbag or no airbag, he would be quite sore.....
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