When is the last time ford made a falcon lacking grunt?

[RAPID_BA]

With ford about to introduce an ecoboost falcon, i stopped and ask whether it will have the sort of grunt falcon buyers are accustomed with?

Every time ford has come to the table with a fuelmiser falcon its been hit for a home run by falcon buyers? Falcon buyers punish attempts to introduce a low grunt falcon (what about what happened to taurus when they tested the falcon equivalent)

The 3.2 Ea falcon? The 3.3 xf range? Since then ford has not delivered a falcon lacking grunt. Even the au turned up with strong performance from forte to ghia and t series.

Is this ecoboost falcon gonna be another 3.2 ea? What other falcon can you think of that lacked grunt?

[JutroXR8]

Only time will tell. But with the oil prices going the way they are and people becoming more environmentall conscious, I see this as a positive step towards maintaining the falcon nameplate.

[Grippy]

I dont think it will be a problem, the ecoboost is not being introduced in the Falcon range to provide masses of power. The I6 is still available for those wanting a grunty Falcon

[Seduce XR6]

OMG I remember driving am S pack XF auto back when they were new & it was so damm gutless even with the basic fuel injection lol

Mind you I was used to a 351 Cleveland or a worked HQ GTS back then lol

[FG XR]

Originally Posted by Grippy

I dont think it will be a problem, the ecoboost is not being introduced in the Falcon range to provide masses of power. The I6 is still available for those wanting a grunty Falcon

Agreed.

[Paxton]

Short answer, no - this is a world class engine, with loads of torque, but with fuel economy that Falcon has not seen in a long time.

Long answer - no. Ford got burned badly by the 3.2 EA. If they wanted to make that one fly, it needed MPFI, not CFI, and the 4 Speed Auto, which was delayed, and out of Ford's control. The EcoBoost engine carries the latest Ford Technology, with Direct Injection, Fast Scroll Turbos, Overboost, and a very powerful computer backing it all up, mated to the ZF box, which worked wonders for the I6 and V8 Falcons.

Ford Australia have worked very hard on this engine, and there will always be those that compare it to the Starfire engine that Holden used for the VC Commodore. Holden stuffed up pretty badly there. The EcoBoost Engine will not only offer I6 class torque, but across a wider rev range, thanks to the Turbo. It won't need to be flogged to perform the best, much like a Low Pressure Turbo that the Europeans use.

I've known about this project since about the same time that the Engine plant was saved. There were some worries that the i4T wouldn't perform adequately in the early days, however those fears have been negated, because the i4T, can keep up with the I6, yet use less fuel in the process. It won't be the failure that the Hybrid Camry is; because, unlike the Camry, it will actually be a desirable car - it is a Falcon after all, just with a smaller motor, which, with the help of technology, makes power where you can actually use it.

I don't remember people being worried that the new V8 is smaller than the old one...

[BENT_8]

Time will tell as real world fuel consumption will be the deciding factor, not grunt as such.

The problem with the 3.2 EA was that it used as much fuel as the 3.9cfi but without the extra performance, so the handful of people who ordered one found no gains at all.

Apart from that, im beginning to think your a closet AU lover as your posts always seem to include a mention of them.

The only other low performance falcons i can think of are the b-series onwards XR6's as they lacked any extra punch over the standard XT.
Every other XR6 had some form of gain.

[Revolver]

Short answer, No. Paxton Explained it pretty well above. Ford have at least learnt ONE lesson over the years...................

Originally Posted by BENT_8

The only other low performance falcons i can think of are the b-series onwards XR6's as they lacked any extra punch over the standard XT.
Every other XR6 had some form of gain.

Thats all an XR6 is these days, a sporty looking XT. No gains anywhere. Thats why they are so popular....

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Apart from that, im beginning to think your a closet AU lover as your posts always seem to include a mention of them.

Yes, Name change to Hulk_AU?

[NickosBF2XRT]

Originally Posted by Paxton

Short answer, no - this is a world class engine, with loads of torque, but with fuel economy that Falcon has not seen in a long time.

Long answer - no. Ford got burned badly by the 3.2 EA. If they wanted to make that one fly, it needed MPFI, not CFI, and the 4 Speed Auto, which was delayed, and out of Ford's control. The EcoBoost engine carries the latest Ford Technology, with Direct Injection, Fast Scroll Turbos, Overboost, and a very powerful computer backing it all up, mated to the ZF box, which worked wonders for the I6 and V8 Falcons.

Ford Australia have worked very hard on this engine, and there will always be those that compare it to the Starfire engine that Holden used for the VC Commodore. Holden stuffed up pretty badly there. The EcoBoost Engine will not only offer I6 class torque, but across a wider rev range, thanks to the Turbo. It won't need to be flogged to perform the best, much like a Low Pressure Turbo that the Europeans use.

I've known about this project since about the same time that the Engine plant was saved. There were some worries that the i4T wouldn't perform adequately in the early days, however those fears have been negated, because the i4T, can keep up with the I6, yet use less fuel in the process. It won't be the failure that the Hybrid Camry is; because, unlike the Camry, it will actually be a desirable car - it is a Falcon after all, just with a smaller motor, which, with the help of technology, makes power where you can actually use it.

I don't remember people being worried that the new V8 is smaller than the old one...

^^^^^ agree with this 100%

[GT0132]

The 3.3 litre (200 ci) in the XC would have to rate down there with the worst IMO.

[Oriory]

Originally Posted by Seduce XR6

OMG I remember driving am S pack XF auto back when they were new & it was so damm gutless even with the basic fuel injection lol

Mind you I was used to a 351 Cleveland or a worked HQ GTS back then lol

Interesting, I had a XF & recall it having plenty of grunt, all I did to the engine was extractors & 2.5 inch exhaust, it wasn't an auto though, sooo many memories attached to that car, mabey that is why.....

[sanchoXB]

I had a 2004 XR8 Ute that had no grunt. Don't know if they are all like that or if I bought a lemon. It only had 55k on the clock when I bought it.

[MexicanBatman]

The Eco boost will be aimed at getting the millions in lost fleet sales back, my uncle who works for woolworths has always had commodore company cars, now a VW diesel, why? He tells me economy is the main reason

Fleet government and rentals will be the main aim here and the hippies who reckon they will save a dollar or two over the brilliant 6

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by HULK_BA

Is this ecoboost falcon gonna be another 3.2 ea? What other falcon can you think of that lacked grunt?

The 2.0 Ecoboost puts out 350 nm from 2000 all the way to 5000 rpm and in case you're wondering,
Holden's 3.0 SIDI is about 80 nm astern of the I-4 at 2000 and still 50nm behind at 4000 rpm.
The only advantage team red sees is when the SIDI is screaming its lungs out above 5,000 rpm...

All that good low end torque reminds me of an old friend we know but with far more efficiency...

[fairBA]

Originally Posted by Oriory

Interesting, I had a XF & recall it having plenty of grunt, all I did to the engine was extractors & 2.5 inch exhaust, it wasn't an auto though, sooo many memories attached to that car, mabey that is why.....

Issue I had with the XF was only thing that happened when you put your foot down was the radiator seem spin harder and made a lot more noise

[Legit290]

i would have to say the poor old XF series

BUT

i had a black xf fitted with a worked black 351 auto on lpg. Number plate LPG 351
no power problems there
came up against a lot of s paks
3 inches lower plus 1.7 litres
bye bye

look 5 litres of posts

[SteveJH]

Originally Posted by MexicanBatman

The Eco boost will be aimed at getting the millions in lost fleet sales back, my uncle who works for woolworths has always had commodore company cars, now a VW diesel, why? He tells me economy is the main reason

Fleet government and rentals will be the main aim here and the hippies who reckon they will save a dollar or two over the brilliant 6

They all got told they had to get diesel's a couple of years ago. They were given a list of choices. My dad got a Mondeo.

Just went and found the list here from google.

[ZA-289]

I dont think the ECOboost will be underpowered anyway.

What mum needs 200kw to ferry the kids around?

[flappist]

Originally Posted by HULK_BA

With ford about to introduce an ecoboost falcon, i stopped and ask whether it will have the sort of grunt falcon buyers are accustomed with?

Every time ford has come to the table with a fuelmiser falcon its been hit for a home run by falcon buyers? Falcon buyers punish attempts to introduce a low grunt falcon (what about what happened to taurus when they tested the falcon equivalent)

The 3.2 Ea falcon? The 3.3 xf range? Since then ford has not delivered a falcon lacking grunt. Even the au turned up with strong performance from forte to ghia and t series.

Is this ecoboost falcon gonna be another 3.2 ea? What other falcon can you think of that lacked grunt?

Last time Ford made anything without grunt?

Well based on your average post the day they made any car you have ever owned but they always got back ito the swing immediately afterward.......

[Polyal]

Are we talking about engine as a whole or a rev range...hehe.

You certainly cant say that anything over the past decade has been lacking. All this hysteria over the I4T is unfounded and based on bad experiences from the 1980's...not the automotive industries highest point thats for sure.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by Paxton

Short answer, no - this is a world class engine, with loads of torque, but with fuel economy that Falcon has not seen in a long time.

Long answer - no. Ford got burned badly by the 3.2 EA. If they wanted to make that one fly, it needed MPFI, not CFI, and the 4 Speed Auto, which was delayed, and out of Ford's control. The EcoBoost engine carries the latest Ford Technology, with Direct Injection, Fast Scroll Turbos, Overboost, and a very powerful computer backing it all up, mated to the ZF box, which worked wonders for the I6 and V8 Falcons.

Ford Australia have worked very hard on this engine, and there will always be those that compare it to the Starfire engine that Holden used for the VC Commodore. Holden stuffed up pretty badly there. The EcoBoost Engine will not only offer I6 class torque, but across a wider rev range, thanks to the Turbo. It won't need to be flogged to perform the best, much like a Low Pressure Turbo that the Europeans use.

I've known about this project since about the same time that the Engine plant was saved. There were some worries that the i4T wouldn't perform adequately in the early days, however those fears have been negated, because the i4T, can keep up with the I6, yet use less fuel in the process. It won't be the failure that the Hybrid Camry is; because, unlike the Camry, it will actually be a desirable car - it is a Falcon after all, just with a smaller motor, which, with the help of technology, makes power where you can actually use it.

I don't remember people being worried that the new V8 is smaller than the old one...

To true.

The Ecoboost V6 has been delivering some V8 equalling results and we have had many years of our own I6T delivering a true performance rival to the V8. Why is it so hard for some to fathom that 4T might be a worthy alternative to a NA6?

Watch in the future,every manufacturer will switch to smaller capacity motors with some form of FI, it is much more efficient in fuel consumption and maintains stricter pollution standards without loss of power.

[RAPID_BA]

Originally Posted by Blue Beast II

Thats all an XR6 is these days, a sporty looking XT. No gains anywhere. Thats why they are so popular....



Yes, Name change to Hulk_AU?

Doesnt the ba xr6 have the diff gears over the xt?

Hulk_au has a good ring to it, i better go get me a au series 1 forte. I cant attack the au for its motors, thats one area they didnt look black n blue

I just dont think there is room enough for tje i6 and the i4t and some of us wanna see a coyote as well.

Are ford trying to do the camry/aurion thing? Same body but i4t and i6/v8

[Oriory]

Originally Posted by fairBA

Issue I had with the XF was only thing that happened when you put your foot down was the radiator seem spin harder and made a lot more noise

Nice

[Oriory]

Originally Posted by clarkey117

i would have to say the poor old XF series

BUT

i had a black xf fitted with a worked black 351 auto on lpg. Number plate LPG 351
no power problems there
came up against a lot of s paks
3 inches lower plus 1.7 litres
bye bye

look 5 litres of posts

Awesome, would loved tom have done that to mine back in the day, oh well.....

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Paxton

I don't remember people being worried that the new V8 is smaller than the old one...

Actually I do remember the usual moaning about an engine that no one had sampled.

Same goes with the diesel terri and the I4T.

[Hally]

Maybe taking the topic off track a little but here goes....

In terms of private buyers, I just can't see where the i4T will fit in? My understanding is that private buyers rarely purchase an XT (based on the fact that the XR6 is always discounted and great value for a private buyer). With this in mind I can't see private buyers stepping down to a i4T in a basic trim level (presuming Ford won't have an XR version with this motor). the i4T cannot be a significantly cheaper powerplant based on the technology it packs.

Will it then become a fleet special with 'green' credentials? Will the fact that the car will be turbocharge have negative impact because of P-Plate restrictions on certain cars, or will it be an exempted vehicle based on over power/weight ratio?

Am interested in everyones thoughts

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Hally

Maybe taking the topic off track a little but here goes....

In terms of private buyers, I just can't see where the i4T will fit in? My understanding is that private buyers rarely purchase an XT (based on the fact that the XR6 is always discounted and great value for a private buyer). With this in mind I can't see private buyers stepping down to a i4T in a basic trim level (presuming Ford won't have an XR version with this motor). the i4T cannot be a significantly cheaper powerplant based on the technology it packs.

Will it then become a fleet special with 'green' credentials? Will the fact that the car will be turbocharge have negative impact because of P-Plate restrictions on certain cars, or will it be an exempted vehicle based on over power/weight ratio?

Am interested in everyones thoughts

95% of car buyers are aware that there is a thing called an engine in the car somewhere.

Why buy an I4T instead of a I6?

1) cheaper rego
2) better fuel economy
3) "green" touchy feelyness
4) perception of better resale due to above

Why did the XR6T outsell the XR8 by a huge margin when they hboth had about the same performance and up front cost (bearing in mind the majority of new car owners do not mod at all)?

The ecoboost is possibly the smartest thing Ford have done in the falcon since the I6T........

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by flappist

The ecoboost is possibly the smartest thing Ford have done in the falcon since the I6T........

The best way to instill a change in buyer perception is to throw out the rule book
and do something your competitor finds either too hard or too ridiculous to copy...
If fuel prices soars again, I know that an I-4 Turbo will survive much longer than a V8....

[Legit290]

if fuel prices soar i will get a second job

[XR Martin]

The Ecoboost I4 Falcon will out accelerate any previous model I6 Falcon that had the 4speed auto, and get better economy at the same time.
Ill happily put money on it.