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Still doesn't mean large or small cars are all safer....it's just the odds change.bigger fact pool equals closer to real life results. |
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we had a few morrys as well, the old man had a morris minor for a while, i also had a morris 1100, a warmed mini 1000,and mums mimi matic . and we had friends with an austin tasman..... the most peculiar handling car i have ever driven, pendulum effect anyone ![]() |
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And I'm sure most understand(if they've bothered to look at the ACTUALL results) that big cars aren't always safer. |
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And as aussieblue mentioned above...these tests are open to cross testing and adjustment of results. That's exactly what they did last year when they readjusted the findings with uptodate crashes.....which no doubt involved far more newer cars with better tech then the original pool. |
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How much more clarity do you want ![]() I'm not accusing anyone of anything just stating that statistics can be used to favor one's own agenda. |
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Not everyone on AFF has your opinion, you need to accept mine differs for yours. Neither is right or wrong. To answer your first question, I speak to drivers, owners and NoK’s following motor accidents. I have access to the reports following these incidents and the circumstances surrounding the cause.
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you know better than that!
I know the paper has been reviewed and the aim, methodology, assumptions and conclusions have been reviewed, and if not torn apart by peers I can conclude the study was conducted and findings made within the confines of the proposed study framework. Of course I read the whole report not just the headline in a newspaper to determine If I agree with the methodology and assumptions. If I do not agree, the findings are irrelevant. If I do, I know the findings have resulted from adherence with the aims of the study and I can rely upon them. JP |
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I think this is the 2012 rep0rt referred to in the newspaper http://www.monash.edu.au/miri/resear.../muarc313.html there's a 2013 update here (257 pages - happy reading) http://www.monash.edu.au/miri/resear.../muarc318.html |
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Are you just being argumentative? The second post in this thread makes total sense....and I still agree with it........because it backs up the facts shown in real world crash test results from the last 20plus years.
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There is no small car built by
Holden,ford,toyota,mazda,mitsubishi,kia,renault,ho nda,isuzu(insert buzz box here) that could survive a head on with a Mercedes S class. The S class is a large car, therefore large cars are safer than small cars. End of thread. |
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Does the bigger/larger/heavier car always comes off better/is safer in a accident or not ? All I am taking issue with is people stating this sort of bollocks, nothing else Quote:
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Also it is meaningless using a 1950's vehicle V's a modern 5 star ANCRAP vehicle. If you had to have a collision, which would you rather be in a FG V8 Supercar V's a 5 star ANCRAP FG Falcon? Stip a small 5 star ANCRAP vehicles of its airbags, collapsible steering column and so, and just have the body shell to protect you - good luck, don't forget permanent disability, trauma & life insurance. There is safety in having lots of real estate around you which by its very nature means more metal which means more mass. Last edited by cheap; 21-08-2014 at 07:04 PM. |
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A head on collsion may be defined as 'a collision where the front ends of two vehicles such as cars, trains, ships or planes hit each other in opposite directions, as opposed to a side collision or rear-end collision' There is no indication of speed in which a head on occurs simply a description of geometry and location. As such I would argue that I will survive a head on collision with almost anything when in a controlled situation, Like say at and impact speed of 3km's per hour, maybe even 20 km's and hour. By definition it is a head on and I am sure Id survive even against a mercedes even in my buzzbox. I understand your intent and the common parlance allocated to head on collision but I know of the driver of an E class killed in ahead on with a sub 100Kg vehicle and the 'rider' walked away. Mass did not win nor did the expensive car! Its not black and white and as discussed while it may help it might not. Please dont generalise or base argument on loose descriptions JP |
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if anyone has read the report, what stands out to me is that in the last three years, all classes of cars considered have a worse crashworthiness rating than earlier model years. In many cases a 2011 car is rated as poorly as a 2003/4 car. What has changed recently?
ref 2013 update fig 19 p62. this is also the graph that indicates heavier cars are 'safer' than lighter cars. They use injury risk times injury severity equals crashworthiness. It is not infallible though - small cars appear less safe than large cars, but large and medium classes are practically the same. all the numbers are very very small though. |
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But I knows a error when I sees it and when a guy calls a spade a shovel. I said S class and have made the mistake nice and bold and black for you cause what has that got to do with the price of fish except to let you prove how much gooder your vocal bullary is to the rest of the readers? ![]() Now a really cool guy used to say "are you feeling lucky punk?" That's how I would feel if I was in your car going head on into an S class merc. Get the picture? |
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![]() Because I'm sure there's at least one incident out there where a small car had flown off a bridge and landed on a large car killing the large car occupants, therefore giving the "win" to the small car ![]() |
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For the love of God, can a mod close this thread. My head hurts.
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Have you ever seen a car get hit by a train and the train come off second best?
Of course cars are a lot more similar weighed to each other compared to a train, but realistically if I was going to be in a crash and I could choose out of 2 cars with the same star safety rating, I would rather be in the larger car and hope for the best. |
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