What max speed for highway driving do you think is safe ?

[Blue Roo]

If the Police and the Highway Patrol, spent more time enforcing the Keep Left Rule instead of worrying about speedsters. The traffic flow might actually work alot better.

[mik]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

Agree, QLD M1 lane behaviour is terrible.

Any 'new idea' (insofar lane speed-limits) we use - must mean we take it to the international community of experts, who deal with the Convention. They'd then pass thean amendment to the Convention requiring or permitting states parties to post speed limits on a per lane basis. In Australia, once this is done, we then need to adjust AS1742.4 (speed signs), and various MUTCD and 'speed zoining guidelines'.

Won't happen, its unworkable and forces both a sudden speed increase and decrease, - in order to comply with lane-based speed limit. What we will do in the decade ahead, is to do better with the importance of lane discipline and keeping-left.

It takes effort to get a positive cultural change in driving, just see that UK penalties link above. Lane discipline, and its importance, was recognised by Hon. Jim Loyd as federal roads minister back in 2004, and Anderson as Deputy PM - where each had experienced German autobahn lane discipline. Loyd wanted the same behaviour here, but lamented to the gallery it'd probably take generations to achieve.

The NSW Road Users Handbook text under the heading 'Driving on the motorway' I wrote back in 1994. Some do-gooders had tried to remove the text, but have failed review. I'll make sure, now we have state conservative governments, who increasingly desire higher limits on some roads, to get the NSW text into the QLD driver manual, SA and WA.

VIC has to date been dogged in their refusal to spell-out 'keeping-left' for motorway with three or more traffic lanes. They see 'keeping left' as a low priority, and I'd suggest, as way of keeping speeds down - via a process of 'blocking' of faster traffic - by some in the population.

NSW Text: Driving on the motorway


ALL other state driver-ed books: "keep-left". We have a situation where a sizeable portion of the driving public, particularly outside NSW, including those who complain of right-hand-lane hogs, take the middle-lane to be the left-lane. It is not, and certainy not under International law which we are required to follow.

BTW; One of the NSW roads that could goto 130kmh would be the unopened M15 that runs from the M1 (old F3) to Branxton, where it becomes the A15 New England. This new road has U-Turn bay treatments to deter idiots doing U-Turns on the motorway, and has median barrier for most sections of the run.

M31 Cambelltown South Interchange - to Berrimah Interchange is another. The rest of the NSW Hume has dangerous 'intersections' combined with the much safer 'interchanges' of motorway standard. Ditto the Federal highway. Some lengths, in order to achieve a 'safe' 130kmh posting, simply need cheap U-Turn bay treatment/Gatelock installs, and some additonal lengths of median barrier - to prevent and reduce cross-over crash potentials.

M1 (old F3) could goto 120km/h north of Gosford Interchange by about 2017, as 2014 see's funding to add the missing third traffic lane from Gosford north to the mad mile hill - before dropping into Ourimbah, AND for Wyong Interchange to the Doyalson motorway link road Interchange. Old RTA had proposed this limit a few years ago - Labor (Scully's watch) said 'no'.

You mention victoria being lax pushing the keep left , it would not suprise me if it contributed to accidents, on Wednesday I was traveling southbound on the western ring rd, traffic was flowing ok about 90/95 in the centre lane, the fast lane had very few cars and most on the speed limit, except for one boofhead speeding up and slowing down beyween 90 and 95, this bloke would have a pack of cars bear down on him in the fast lane......., suddenly there would be 4 or 5 cars weaving in and out of traffic to get past him, it's just arrogance and a severe lack of courtesyby these turkeys.
Its frustrating to be blocked by these boofheads, its even worse in a truck.trying to get around these people, victoria law makers need to lift their game.

[Spurious]

I agree 130 is fast enough, dependent on...

*weather-
wind, rain, humidity, night, daylight, dawn, dusk

*Road conditions-
age, build material, painted or laid lines, cats eyes, incline or slope, divided lanes, number of lanes, shoulders, repaired surfaces, rail crossings, roadside objects (tree's, water, poles, signs, fences, fuel stations, side roads, intersections, driveways).

*surrounding area's with animals considered-
farmland with cattle, horses or sheep, wildlife & the potential size thereof, (umm...wombats & camels!), roadkill remains, birds on roadkill remnants, animals seeking water on road surface after rain (this happens in the outback/dry regions).

*The driver- the most dangerous part of this decision to consider-
50% courteous & alert, 20% distracted, 15% arrogant, 10% young & hoon prone & the other 5% are simply too stupid to be given a license in the first place!

So with ALL these things considered, we should see a rise in speed limits real soon ha'!

[GREGL]

Originally Posted by FlivverFord

I agree 130 is fast enough, dependent on...

*weather-
wind, rain, humidity, night, daylight, dawn, dusk

*Road conditions-
age, build material, painted or laid lines, cats eyes, incline or slope, divided lanes, number of lanes, shoulders, repaired surfaces, rail crossings, roadside objects (tree's, water, poles, signs, fences, fuel stations, side roads, intersections, driveways).

*surrounding area's with animals considered-
farmland with cattle, horses or sheep, wildlife & the potential size thereof, (umm...wombats & camels!), roadkill remains, birds on roadkill remnants, animals seeking water on road surface after rain (this happens in the outback/dry regions).

*The driver- the most dangerous part of this decision to consider-
50% courteous & alert, 20% distracted, 15% arrogant, 10% young & hoon prone & the other 5% are simply too stupid to be given a license in the first place!

So with ALL these things considered, we should see a rise in speed limits real soon ha'!

So you have got the city drivers covered , what about the people who live in the sticks OR spend their time driving in those conditions on a regular basis and are aware of those low % dangers . Is it a case of everyone suffers because a few ( ok the majority ) only venture outside the city limits once a year on the annual holiday.
Seriously , how many hundreds of trees, driveways , and god knows what else do you pass in a trip down a country road . Do you slow down for every one and pray no idiot is going to pull out. If they do and you hit that bloody tree at 80 KMH trying to avoid him there is not going to be lot of difference in the outcome . You are going to suffer.
Argue all you like about the dangers of speed . All I ask is they don't ping you when you are overtaking in a safe manner . If that happens to be 140 for 500 metres or whatever to pass some tool that sits on 90 and speeds up on the overtaking lanes .
As for the M1 , simple just reverse the lanes . far left 130 , next 120, and down to 90 for the right lane . Alls good and best of all it will pay havoc with all the knobs that hog the right hand lane. LOL.

[The FOMOCO]

130 KS is a good speed if the road is safe to drive on at that speed and the weather conditions are ok the states and federal govt need to use some common sense here for once we are not children they seem to think we know best what is good for you

[new2ford]

Funny, it has crossed my mind before that the laxness in enforcing "keep left" here in Australia might be down to lack of enforcement being a useful tool in the "speed kills" regime. Obviously, poor lane discipline will slow things down - and so it is.

This discussion blurs the difference between multi lane/motorway roads and single lane (each way) roads. Very few countries in the world, bar Australia, have even considered allowing over 100 on single lane roads - even Russia with its vast distances. Motorways/multi lane are another issue.

And finally, I don't think it's legally possible here to set different speed limits for different lanes on a multi lane road (in the same direction). Nor would you want to, I don't see any sense in it. That's what keeping left and lane discipline is for.

My own tuppence worth - 100 on single lane roads (except some outback exceptions), 130 on motorway/multi lane depending on road design. But a lot of work needs doing on road design standards and driving competencies.

And simple courtesy - like the person driving along a single lane country highway at 20 below the limit pulling left occasionally to let the inevitable km-long tailback behind him pass. Derrrr, how hard is it? It's a standard thing to do when driving in Europe but there they seem to think about others more and not just about themselves.

Reminds me - the one I love: belting down a country road at 80 to 100 and you see somebody waiting in a side road ahead, seemingly asleep, then at the last minute they decide to pull out in front of you. In Europe, if this happens they floor it to keep ahead of you and not slow you down. Here it's: "I'm OK mate I'm on the road now, I'm comfortable 15 ks slower than you thanks, I never use my mirror so I can't see it filled with your grille or see your brake dust rising, you no longer exist".

That's why I drive with my lights on in the country, seems to deter them a bit!

... and demonstrates why higher than 100 is not a good idea when you don't have grade-separation with intersecting roads. Above 100 you need a hell of a lot of extra braking if that dimwit pulls into the road in front of you.

[tezxr8man]

wow that went well. couldn't delete this so have some random text

[Bill M]

130km max on Freeways that are capable of taking it and
in repeating other members thoughts are variable speed signs and engaging in major safety campaign reinforcing the keep left rule.
Bill.

[Keepleft]

A bit of media coverage re topic:-

Nine News re Wheels 130kmh campaign 28/09/13
http://video.news.ninemsn.com.au/?uuid=2701404653001

TEN News on raising the speed limit, QLD - 19/09/2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGy5rdpuo1w


A radio spot QLD:-
http://www.4bc.com.au/blogs/2013-4bc...918-2tzzm.html



Don't forget your Ford triangle:-)
http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/Satel...eature-overlay

[Itsme]

Any speed limit would be OK if people drive obeying road rules!!!

Until then we stuck to our present road speeds.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by new2ford

Funny, it has crossed my mind before that the laxness in enforcing "keep left" here in Australia might be down to lack of enforcement being a useful tool in the "speed kills" regime. Obviously, poor lane discipline will slow things down - and so it is.

This discussion blurs the difference between multi lane/motorway roads and single lane (each way) roads. Very few countries in the world, bar Australia, have even considered allowing over 100 on single lane roads - even Russia with its vast distances. Motorways/multi lane are another issue.

And finally, I don't think it's legally possible here to set different speed limits for different lanes on a multi lane road (in the same direction). Nor would you want to, I don't see any sense in it. That's what keeping left and lane discipline is for.

My own tuppence worth - 100 on single lane roads (except some outback exceptions), 130 on motorway/multi lane depending on road design. But a lot of work needs doing on road design standards and driving competencies.

And simple courtesy - like the person driving along a single lane country highway at 20 below the limit pulling left occasionally to let the inevitable km-long tailback behind him pass. Derrrr, how hard is it? It's a standard thing to do when driving in Europe but there they seem to think about others more and not just about themselves.

Reminds me - the one I love: belting down a country road at 80 to 100 and you see somebody waiting in a side road ahead, seemingly asleep, then at the last minute they decide to pull out in front of you. In Europe, if this happens they floor it to keep ahead of you and not slow you down. Here it's: "I'm OK mate I'm on the road now, I'm comfortable 15 ks slower than you thanks, I never use my mirror so I can't see it filled with your grille or see your brake dust rising, you no longer exist".

That's why I drive with my lights on in the country, seems to deter them a bit!

... and demonstrates why higher than 100 is not a good idea when you don't have grade-separation with intersecting roads. Above 100 you need a hell of a lot of extra braking if that dimwit pulls into the road in front of you.

I think it's called inattention. you can get busted for it.
I had to drive at 80km/h on the highway due to motor was about to blow up and so i would slow down to about 60km/h let others to pass on double lanes, and would they pass ? no ! or it was like they only woke up near the end of the passing lane and slowly pass or would slowly pass and stick in the right lane so others could not pass them.
Talk about idiots ! just day dreaming driving about on the road.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by castellan

I think it's called inattention. you can get busted for it.
I had to drive at 80km/h on the highway due to motor was about to blow up and so i would slow down to about 60km/h let others to pass on double lanes, and would they pass ? no ! or it was like they only woke up near the end of the passing lane and slowly pass or would slowly pass and stick in the right lane so others could not pass them.
Talk about idiots ! just day dreaming driving about on the road.

Funny how you mention this as I just returned from a holiday towing a caravan around Oz & this happened to me all the time, bloody morons would not pass in overtaking lanes but would try to kill themselves with me along with them when trying to overtake on single lane roads.

[joolz]

Im for 130km/h limit on Freeways that permit with right conditions. 120 would be fine also but the Police MUST enforce "keep left unless overtaking" to NOT impede the right fast lane.

For the post earlier worried about L/P platers doing 80/90. I think we are talking about dual lane freeways where you should keep left anyways and not the 2 way Hwy's like up in N.T with a 130km/h limit.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by joolz

Im for 130km/h limit on Freeways that permit with right conditions. 120 would be fine also but the Police MUST enforce "keep left unless overtaking" to NOT impede the right fast lane.

For the post earlier worried about L/P platers doing 80/90. I think we are talking about dual lane freeways where you should keep left anyways and not the 2 way Hwy's like up in N.T with a 130km/h limit.

The NT 130kph highways works quite well with slow caravans doing 80kph with trucks/road trains limited to 100kph & the rest up to & over 130kph.

It all comes down to sense & patience.

Oh I forgot to mention less traffic as most other eastern highways....lol

[mik]

Originally Posted by Bill M

130km max on Freeways that are capable of taking it and
in repeating other members thoughts are variable speed signs and engaging in major safety campaign reinforcing the keep left rule.
Bill.

Indeed Bill ,i go along with that, and in suburbia personally i would not even be thinking about raising the limit to 130, only out on those long long boring stretches of road.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

http://sycamorestirrings.blogspot.co...erence-23.html


NO nation on earth does this, its dangerous and unworkable. What we require of countries at international law (via The UN Convention on Road Traffic),- is for those countries to have "keep-left" legislation (for RHD countries), (and "keep-right" for LHD). So, lane discipline is_the_answer, and if practiced correctly - is a perfect response:-

I live and drive in australia where your idealised driving models simply do not work and we have terrible wording like "keep left unless busy"

well...to some people seeing any car on the horizon constitutes busy.


or the stupid wording in 80km/h zones....where you must keep left at speed signs greater than 80....well we only have 100 now so why not say you dont need to keep left unless it's a 100 zone.

so sorry mate, dont quote legislation cause it sucks.

My suggestion of common sense advisory speed lanes would be in touch with reality in any country OTHER than Australia.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by zilo

I live and drive in australia where your idealised driving models simply do not work and we have terrible wording like "keep left unless busy"

well...to some people seeing any car on the horizon constitutes busy.


or the stupid wording in 80km/h zones....where you must keep left at speed signs greater than 80....well we only have 100 now so why not say you dont need to keep left unless it's a 100 zone.

so sorry mate, dont quote legislation cause it sucks.

My suggestion of common sense advisory speed lanes would be in touch with reality in any country OTHER than Australia.

in nsw it keep left in a multi lane road or other wise posted.
so 40k school zone is keep left forget the so called 80 biz.

[Spurious]

Originally Posted by GREGL

So you have got the city drivers covered , what about the people who live in the sticks OR spend their time driving in those conditions on a regular basis and are aware of those low % dangers . Is it a case of everyone suffers because a few ( ok the majority ) only venture outside the city limits once a year on the annual holiday.
Seriously , how many hundreds of trees, driveways , and god knows what else do you pass in a trip down a country road . Do you slow down for every one and pray no idiot is going to pull out. If they do and you hit that bloody tree at 80 KMH trying to avoid him there is not going to be lot of difference in the outcome . You are going to suffer.
Argue all you like about the dangers of speed . All I ask is they don't ping you when you are overtaking in a safe manner . If that happens to be 140 for 500 metres or whatever to pass some tool that sits on 90 and speeds up on the overtaking lanes .
As for the M1 , simple just reverse the lanes . far left 130 , next 120, and down to 90 for the right lane . Alls good and best of all it will pay havoc with all the knobs that hog the right hand lane. LOL.

If you do 140 while overtaking right now you deserve to get pinged. We all see these knobs when we hit the highway...slow down, speed up, slow down, speed up. WE KNOW! We must tolerate them, that's it, all there is to it.

I have proven the point that the faster you drive, the more the traffic will "hold you up"! Funny that.

As for 3 lanes of varying limits, you know as well as I do that the majority of the knobs will ALL want to be in the fast lane, even if they're not doing the limit.

I find if I speed then others want to catch me. If I just cruise along at 5 k's below the limit, it's surprising how many others just follow suit.

[GREGL]

Originally Posted by FlivverFord

If you do 140 while overtaking right now you deserve to get pinged. We all see these knobs when we hit the highway...slow down, speed up, slow down, speed up. WE KNOW! We must tolerate them, that's it, all there is to it.

I have proven the point that the faster you drive, the more the traffic will "hold you up"! Funny that.

As for 3 lanes of varying limits, you know as well as I do that the majority of the knobs will ALL want to be in the fast lane, even if they're not doing the limit.

I find if I speed then others want to catch me. If I just cruise along at 5 k's below the limit, it's surprising how many others just follow suit.

At the moment yes I like anyone else deserves to be done , you are breaking the law , regardless of the circumstances . Having thought about it 225 kmh probably wasn't safe either 20 years ago either but that was a different era though !
Instead of all this so called scientific data bla bla , why don't they take the suck it and see approach . Give it a go on the MAJOR freeways and other appropriate hwys , they might find a reduction of the road toll on the particular stretch of road/roads they apply it to .
There are certain stretches of hwy in qld and nsw that the govt. considers high risk areas or blackspots for fatal accidents . One the area between Cooroy and gympie , yes **** road and everyman and his dog is on it .that is a prime case of driving to the conditions (o.k so is the rest of the Bruce too ) . The other that comes to mind is around Coffs hbr , Particularly north . Compared to a lot of Qld hwys this is a boulevard , yet people still die . Maybe just maybe that is through fatigue not speed . After all it is around the mid point for Sydney/Bris .
I suppose all I'm trying to say is if you are happy to sit on 95 PLEASE don't go to 100-110 in those infrequent overtaking lanes , you could save someone's life and or sanity .

[2011G6E]

Tough one...so many variables.

For the Bruce Highway, in a lot of places, 120 would be fine. For the Capricorn Highway where I live, 110 would be fine for most of it. Get out past Emerald and it should go up to 120 to 130.

Why aren't I saying "160!!!!!"...? Simple.

Next time you're in traffic or out on the highway, look around you. Observe the "standard" of driving that the average motorist exhibits. Now imagine telling them they can go another twenty or thirty kph faster on the highway...

Until driver training is taken seriously, and getting a licence isn't an easy process that seems to think getting as many people through is far more important than getting as many highly competant people through, I wouldn't like the limit to go up by more than ten kph probably...

Not to mention the roads we have here...narrow, undivided, rough, potholed, following mostly the same twisting path that it did when laid out back in the forties...we hardly have the beautiful motorways of Europe or the six lane straight as an arrow highways of the USA.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Not to mention the roads we have here...narrow, undivided, rough, potholed, following mostly the same twisting path that it did when laid out back in the forties...we hardly have the beautiful motorways of Europe or the six lane straight as an arrow highways of the USA.

I can't speak for USA but this myth keeps being trotted out for Europe. Many Australian motorways are as good as the best in Europe and many European roads are "narrow, undivided, rough, potholed". Not much difference really. And out on the Hay plains the roads are as straight as an arrow!

You're right about driving standards though, but you might find that drivers will lift their game and pay more attention if higher speeds are involved.

I've been driving here for 40 years and it seems to me that in that time, due to nannying regulation (the "speed-kills" regime), drivers have been dumbed to sleep thanks to the police-state "looking after" them and not being expected to think for themselves and be responsible for their own actions.

Driver education in Australia has improved immensely in 40 years but the drivers it's spitting out haven't. So something's wrong here isn't it?

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by new2ford

I can't speak for USA but this myth keeps being trotted out for Europe. Many Australian motorways are as good as the best in Europe and many European roads are "narrow, undivided, rough, potholed". Not much difference really. And out on the Hay plains the roads are as straight as an arrow!

In Queensland at least, the only really "modern" stretch of motorway is down towards Brisbane and some areas around the far south east corner. The rest is OK, but not really world standard.

You're right about driving standards though, but you might find that drivers will lift their game and pay more attention if higher speeds are involved.

I really really wish I could believe that...

Driver education in Australia has improved immensely in 40 years but the drivers it's spitting out haven't. So something's wrong here isn't it?

Very true...no idea what the solution is though...do a Finland where it's a long, hard , expensive process to get your licence? Where it takes three years to get your licence? Too many people would complain.
Then again, I'm a train driver...every couple of years we have to do a MOC, or Maintenance Of Competence...virtually resit our licence again. It's a three day process, with long written tests on rules and regs, and on-track assessments. If you aren't up to scratch, you're off the road until you get up to standard again.
Us train drivers often wonder what the roads would look like if road users were made to go through the same process. We don't really know, but I bet they'd be a lot emptier...

[LG17]

I've just done 6000km around Qld in the past 2 weeks and there are plenty of places where 130kmh would be fine - I agree with 2011G6E that out around Emerald is one of them. There's many places on the Bruce Hwy that would also be suitable.
There's also plenty of places on the Burnett Hwy that could handle a lift very easily.

I have never understood how the Bruce north of Marlborough is 110 for that stretch and yet the rest is only 100. Sitting on 100 in the middle of nowhere is a recipe for disaster as you don't have to concentrate all that hard with these modern vehicles with all their gadgets.

One thing we do need with an increased speed limit is many more overtaking lanes especially on major highways - there should be at least one every 10km and be a decent length, to allow the traffic to flow more freely and would end up being a damm sight safer!

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by LG17

I've just done 6000km around Qld in the past 2 weeks and there are plenty of places where 130kmh would be fine - I agree with 2011G6E that out around Emerald is one of them. There's many places on the Bruce Hwy that would also be suitable.
There's also plenty of places on the Burnett Hwy that could handle a lift very easily.

I have never understood how the Bruce north of Marlborough is 110 for that stretch and yet the rest is only 100. Sitting on 100 in the middle of nowhere is a recipe for disaster as you don't have to concentrate all that hard with these modern vehicles with all their gadgets.

One thing we do need with an increased speed limit is many more overtaking lanes especially on major highways - there should be at least one every 10km and be a decent length, to allow the traffic to flow more freely and would end up being a damm sight safer!

That's an oddity out our way as well...you leave Rocky coming out west along the Capricorn Highway, pass Westwood and the highway goes to 110. Nothing changes about the road, but the speed goes up. Then you get to Dingo and the limit goes back down to 100. Once again, the road doesn't change, it doesn't get narrower, the limit just changes. Goes up again somewhere out past Emerald again. Haven't much past the gemfields for a year or two, so no idea where exactly.

[GazzF6]

120 KPH would be fine, that's what most people are doing when overtaking anyway.. For some strange reason a high percentage of drivers on the highways tend to travel at ten k's below the max speed limit? I know with a lot of Jap cars the speedos read rich by 5-8 k's...

[Crazy Dazz]

The thing I cannot understand about speed limits in WA, is that on some single-lane goat–track, with terrible visibility, un-posted corners, no lighting, and trees everywhere, it is STILL 110. Whereas on the Freeway (a multi-lane, illuminated, dual carriageway) it is only 100.

On something like the new highway to Bunbury (dual-lane dual carriageway) I think 130 or even 140 would be safe for a reasonable driver in a decent car.

The main problem is that speed limits have to cater for the lowest common denominator. There are a lot of really **** drivers out there in some really crappy cars. In was I would guestimate that at least half the cars on the road are not roadworthy.

[GREGL]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

In Queensland at least, the only really "modern" stretch of motorway is down towards Brisbane and some areas around the far south east corner. The rest is OK, but not really world standard.


I really really wish I could believe that...



Very true...no idea what the solution is though...do a Finland where it's a long, hard , expensive process to get your licence? Where it takes three years to get your licence? Too many people would complain.
Then again, I'm a train driver...every couple of years we have to do a MOC, or Maintenance Of Competence...virtually resit our licence again. It's a three day process, with long written tests on rules and regs, and on-track assessments. If you aren't up to scratch, you're off the road until you get up to standard again.
Us train drivers often wonder what the roads would look like if road users were made to go through the same process. We don't really know, but I bet they'd be a lot emptier...

I wonder , if the testing was at no cost and in work time ... !
Imagine the uproar just on this forum . GOVERNMENT BRINGS IN NEW TAX .
$87 EVERY 3 YRS TO SAVE LIVES . Somehow I don't think it will be popular !!!

[steve.zissou]

heres a legit study from the US that shows most drivers drive at a safe speed irrispective of the speed limit (either too high or low doesnt matter)
http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/sl-irrel.html

it also include the following conclusions:
Accidents at the 58 experimental sites where speed limits were lowered increased by 5.4 percent.
Accidents at the 41 experimental sites where speed limits were raised decreased by 6.7 percent.
Lowering speed limits more than 5 mi/h (8 km/h) below the 85th percentile speed of traffic did not reduce accidents.

this is based on hard evidence and test sites where they changed the speed limits and observed the results

one of a stack of studies - people should stop basing their opinions on tv advertisements and actually look up some research.

[Gadgetman]

What i believe is more important than speed limit is driver awareness. There are stacks of drivers that stay in the right lane doing 10-20km/h less than the speed limit. These types need to realise that what they are doing is wrong. Problem is the cops are too busy blistering people for 15 over and never bail these morons up and issue tickets for their stupid behavour. Start writing tickets out to morons that merge at 60km/h on freeways and watch the problem go away. Problem is and it has always been the people that dont know how to drive are often left alone. BTW 130km/h on freeways and major highways is the go.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by GREGL

I wonder , if the testing was at no cost and in work time ... !
Imagine the uproar just on this forum . GOVERNMENT BRINGS IN NEW TAX .
$87 EVERY 3 YRS TO SAVE LIVES . Somehow I don't think it will be popular !!!

why would it be popular?

every one know it would go into consolidated revenue, and nothing changes.. (speed limits/camera's)

sounds a lot like 3x3 fuel tax for roads maintenance!