and what about FPV??? - Page 2

Poetic Justice · 12-01-2012, 09:36 PM

Offer schmoffer.

The car doesn't need to do **** but look good financially to the head honchos on paper. That is the root of the problem.

jpd80 · 12-01-2012, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUD

Offer schmoffer.

The car doesn't need to do **** but look good financially to the head honchos on paper. That is the root of the problem.

So how come they haven't announced a switch to Taurus for 2014....Hmmmmm?????

The cost of closing down Geelong engine, castings plant, frame works, closing down Broadmeadows
and engineering Taurus for Australia exceeds the cost of the $103 million just announced for next Falcon update...

That is what has always saved Falcon's bacon, the cost of evolution is less than complete change...

Look at AU and the roll in to BA, look at BF and the roll into FG.
Changes yes but lots of continuing common or slightly changed parts.

GhiaEB · 12-01-2012, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUD

Yes, a Taurus. Which shares the DNA of styling that new focus and future mondeo share. At least there will be continuity in the product styling. If Taurus cant sell here, Focus shouldnt and nor should the next Mondeo.

They tried to sell a Taurus here in the 90's and it failed!!!! Do you really think they would try again?

jpd80 · 12-01-2012, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GhiaEB

They tried to sell a Taurus here in the 90's and it failed!!!! Do you really think they would try again?

That's not the problem, the 2013 Taurus is a stunner but too big and heavy,
the next on CD4 holds a lot of promise but that one isn't quite confirmed....

Ford are looking at how their large cars merge but everyone is looking at only one option.
Scales of economy, do we use EUCD/CD4 for Taurus and Falcon or do we go with Mustang, Taurus and Falcon?

It all hinges on the value placed upon a current business study...nobody has mentioned China and their big car needs....

FPV GTHO · 12-01-2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Ford are looking at how their large cars merge but everyone is looking at only one option.
Scales of economy, do we use EUCD/CD4 for Taurus and Falcon or do we go with Mustang, Taurus and Falcon?

It all hinges on the value placed upon a current business study...nobody has mentioned China and their big car needs....

Thats not considering how Explorer's siblings and Territory co-exist either.

EgoFG · 13-01-2012, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

That's not the problem, the 2013 Taurus is a stunner but too big and heavy,
the next on CD4 holds a lot of promise but that one isn't quite confirmed....

Ford are looking at how their large cars merge but everyone is looking at only one option.
Scales of economy, do we use EUCD/CD4 for Taurus and Falcon or do we go with Mustang, Taurus and Falcon?

It all hinges on the value placed upon a current business study...nobody has mentioned China and their big car needs....

News has also been quiet on another front:
Lincoln need a large car (RWD ?) and a coupe that are stated to be more distinct then their previous reskinned Ford products.

Rodge · 13-01-2012, 01:55 PM

Falcon has just been confirmed until at least the end of 2016, (that's actually five years absolute minimum) and FPV sales are up nearly 50% for the year compared to 2010, (when large cars are in decline). Ecoboost is due presently which should give a valuable lift to Falcon sales.

IMO Its time for all FPV enthusiasts to put their feet up, relax, smile and take a nice long rest from all the negativity and speculation, my 2 cents.

darkside · 13-01-2012, 05:32 PM

hasn't ford america managed to stay out of the crapper a little bit ,which hopefully should filter on to us in ozz.unlike gm a gmh which seems to be a global problem with their finance,although sales arnt as high as gm/gmh,there hasn't been too much panic in the ford ranks..

jpd80 · 13-01-2012, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodge

Falcon has just been confirmed until at least the end of 2016, (that's actually five years absolute minimum) and FPV sales are up nearly 50% for the year compared to 2010, (when large cars are in decline). Ecoboost is due presently which should give a valuable lift to Falcon sales.

IMO Its time for all FPV enthusiasts to put their feet up, relax, smile and take a nice long rest from all the negativity and speculation, my 2 cents.

Yes indeed, FPV have turned things around in a rather indifferent year,
they are to be congratulations on such a gutsy move with S/C 5.0.
I hope they now go from strength to strength building on success.

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Originally Posted by darkside

hasn't ford america managed to stay out of the crapper a little bit ,which hopefully should filter on to us in ozz.unlike gm a gmh which seems to be a global problem with their finance,although sales arnt as high as gm/gmh,there hasn't been too much panic in the ford ranks..

Ford NA are not the same company they were five years ago, completely transformed and totally profitable.
Their product line up is fresh and exciting, I've never heard non Americans say that about US Fords...

**Polyal** · 13-01-2012, 06:22 PM

Well Miami should see them out for what, another 5 years and a MINIMUM...so when you break down that $40M its not so bad.

Then you look at the I6T..thats around for about the same period and it will need little work done other than emissions perhaps, and Ford generally helps out there anyway.

So thats 5 years on spending on the things that perhaps are lacking now, just little details to round off the package.

grandpa_spec_F6 · 13-01-2012, 06:35 PM

Can I haz I6-TT? Plz

IDT · 13-01-2012, 06:35 PM

Seeing as everyone has a crystal ball, I have looked into the pool of foresight and I see Ford will go 100% imports by the end of the FG life cycle. After that there will be no Ford made in Australia at all.

z80 · 13-01-2012, 06:46 PM

Taurus is a damn nice car, drove one today in LA.

Smoke Pursuit · 13-01-2012, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Oh really,
FPV have had a much better year thanks to that $40 million, sales have bounced back bigger than 2010,
Sales of V8s dominate with 1,288 lucky S/C buyers being 78% of FPV's business but I-6T has dropped to 361.

I wonder, maybe get rid of the I-6T and just build a NA 5.0 V8 instead for an all V8 line up, couldn't hurt....
Surely, FPV would make more out of sourcing their own engine than a Ford supplied one...

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Wouldn't be hard to beat 2010 considering they didn't build V8 equipped cars for nearly 6 months (and the first few months they built low stock)...

FPV will not last even if Falcon does survive... Look how long Prodrive kept TRD going with its poor sales (very short period of time). Theres too many dramas in the camp sadly, there's no happy medium between Ford and FPV...

Rodge · 13-01-2012, 07:49 PM

Dash - We're on a roll with good news, the confirmation of Falcon funding of $103m, and the really positive sales increase for FPV. I know the FPV sales increase was off a new engine and a lack of V8 build the year before but still we are in exceptionally challanging financial times so the sales result needs to be viewed in the context of that fact too and that makes it a stellar sales result IMO.

Bottom line is it was a really gutsy move by FPV spending that sort of money on a locally developed supercharged engine and strengthened gearbox, a development process that took place during the height of the global financial crisis storm and while we're debating this, lets get real, it would have been so much cheaper to just fit a NA 5.0 but they had the guts to spend the money and therefore they deserve credit for that.

There are no cast iron guarantee's in life and nobody can predict the future with 100% certainty but the outlook is certainly looking brighter.
Surely this is a time for happy thoughts

ivorya · 13-01-2012, 08:23 PM

We might lose FPV but may gain the global corp. speacial vehicles name that'll sell all performace cars from around the world.
ie/ RS Fiesta/Focus, When mustang goes global, Some of those wild, tricked up yanky utes, maybe tickle the Mondeo. etc

**Polyal** · 13-01-2012, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodge

Dash - We're on a roll with good news, the confirmation of Falcon funding of $103m, and the really positive sales increase for FPV. I know the FPV sales increase was off a new engine and a lack of V8 build the year before but still we are in exceptionally challanging financial times so the sales result needs to be viewed in the context of that fact too and that makes it a stellar sales result IMO.

Bottom line is it was a really gutsy move by FPV spending that sort of money on a locally developed supercharged engine and strengthened gearbox, a development process that took place during the height of the global financial crisis storm and while we're debating this, lets get real, it would have been so much cheaper to just fit a NA 5.0 but they had the guts to spend the money and therefore they deserve credit for that.

There are no cast iron guarantee's in life and nobody can predict the future with 100% certainty but the outlook is certainly looking brighter.
Surely this is a time for happy thoughts

Well said!! Lets cross the bridge on "what if" in 4 years time!

Resurrection · 13-01-2012, 10:03 PM

FPV need to release a 525hp version of the Miami engine by 3/4 of 2013 if they are not to get caught with their pants down. They shouldn't wait for Ford to provide them with a stronger rear-end - FPV need to bite the bullet and do a unique rear end themselves. This will allow more power to be unleashed and wider rubber to be fitted to all FPV models.

**Polyal** · 13-01-2012, 10:48 PM

Yeah it would be nice for FPV/Ford to be proactive rather than reactive. Both brands need to come out swinging to make the most of this time.

Bossxr8 · 14-01-2012, 12:21 AM

If Falcon goes, so does FPV. They have already stated they will not modify existing imported Ford vehicles. They will only modify locally built models.

Team RS/SVT do the imported stuff.

samsy351 · 14-01-2012, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

If Falcon goes, so does FPV. They have already stated they will not modify existing imported Ford vehicles. They will only modify locally built models.

Team RS/SVT do the imported stuff.

Thats a massive shame. if we have to lose the Falcon , it would be good that we could still have some local input into its replacement