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Old 15-04-2011, 08:43 PM   #151
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Type BOMDAS into google and see what happens. You have the correct answer but you've used the incorrect formula to obtain it.

I've noticed everyone who has come up with 2 has put an invisible set of brackets around 2, isolating 48 from the rest of the equation. This is wrong. As others have stated; you work from left to right.
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Answer as written is 288.
If it were written 48/(2(9+3)) answer is 2
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Type BOMDAS into google and see what happens. You have the correct answer but you've used the incorrect formula to obtain it.

I've noticed everyone who has come up with 2 has put an invisible set of brackets around 2, isolating 48 from the rest of the equation. This is wrong. As others have stated; you work from left to right.
what formula, it is how I was taught... google won't make me feel any better
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I still don't understand how people are missing the 24x12 part...

Because you are making an extra equation. The 48 is divided by the product of (9+3)x2 ie 24, therefore the resultant is 2
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Sorry I should have said method. It is BODMAS.
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It's not an extra equation, I am breaking one equation into
two(as stipulated by the brackets).
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BOMDAS etc aside... once the 'bracketed' sum is done shouldn't you just work from L--->R

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Yes exactly, I thought you were using BOMDAS in literal sequence like a few others in thread have done. Glad to see we are on the same page.
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It's not an extra equation, I am breaking one equation into
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BOMDAS etc aside... once the 'bracketed' sum is done shouldn't you just work from L--->R

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48/2 *12
24*12
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Which is were I think it is wrong. based on my teachings.

Yes, work the brackets out - (9 + 3) = 12,
you then get 48 / 2*12
results in 48 / 24
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Disregard.
It's one of "those" equations. Really irritating and whilst not specifically hard to
solve, it's a pain when two people have an answer and disagree.
Still, 48/2 is 24(do this first) then of course 24(12) is 288. Bam I am SO right
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Which is were I think it is wrong. based on my teachings.

Yes, work the brackets out - (9 + 3) = 12,
you then get 48 / 2*12
results in 48 / 24
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You're good up until the second part...you're working right to left, you need to work left to right.
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well doesn't everyone just think they're experts
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It's really not hard, 24x12=288.
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2(9+3) = 24

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Which is were I think it is wrong. based on my teachings.

Yes, work the brackets out - (9 + 3) = 12,
you then get 48 / 2*12
results in 48 / 24
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You're good up until the second part...you're working right to left, you need to work left to right.
If i was working right to left i would end up with .5
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If i was working right to left i would end up with .5
but multiply and divide ( same as plus and minus) are equal.... so after the brackets, any expontents etc you revert to left to right
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notating 2(9+3) is the same as notating (2(9+3))

so therefore

48÷2(9+3) is the same as 48÷(2(9+3))

Brackts first the answer is 2.....who ever thinks it is 288 is WRONG

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since there is no sign between the 2 and the (9+3) when the turns into 12 it cant just be 2 12 can it?.... so it is 2(12) and you would need to do that first to get rid of the bracket completely rather than dividing the 48 in half first
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extra brackets dont need to be there. the 2 is only applicable to whats inside the bracket and is a small equation on its own.


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(a) A number immediatly outside a bracket means that everything inside the bracket gets multiplied by that number


everything i learnt through calc, g&t etc was as nc1183 is saying =\


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Which is were I think it is wrong. based on my teachings.

Yes, work the brackets out - (9 + 3) = 12,
you then get 48 / 2*12
results in 48 / 24
equalling 2


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Yes....but nah

It should be

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'* and /' or '+ or -' are 'equal' and performed left to right"

the true sense of boMdas gives you 2 ..... =\
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notating 2(9+3) is the same as notating (2(9+3))

so therefore

48÷2(9+3) is the same as 48÷(2(9+3))

Brackts first the answer is 2.....who ever thinks it is 288 is WRONG

I'm a Mathematics Lecturer so believe me.

an expert has spoken I'm out with the self pro-claimed glory that I was right too
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notating 2(9+3) is the same as notating (2(9+3))

so therefore

48÷2(9+3) is the same as 48÷(2(9+3))

Brackts first the answer is 2.....who ever thinks it is 288 is WRONG

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notating 2(9+3) is the same as notating (2(9+3)).
Yes but 48/2(9+3) is NOT the same as 48/(2(9+3)), surely a mathematics lecturer would not make such an amateur mistake?
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notating 2(9+3) is the same as notating (2(9+3))

so therefore

48÷2(9+3) is the same as 48÷(2(9+3))

Brackts first the answer is 2.....who ever thinks it is 288 is WRONG

I'm a Mathematics Lecturer so believe me.
My three graphics calculators, laptop, phone, scientific calculator and most importantly, my 14 yeaar old brother says the maths lecturer is wrong... answer is 288...
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The brackets are gone the moment you do the 9 + 3.

you are then left with 48 ÷ 2 x 12

..order of operations states left to right.

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notating 2(9+3) is the same as notating (2(9+3))

so therefore

48÷2(9+3) is the same as 48÷(2(9+3))

Brackts first the answer is 2.....who ever thinks it is 288 is WRONG

I'm a Mathematics Lecturer so believe me.
...my dads a maths B teacher and he says although its a very ambiguous question, from the way its written, then answer is 288.

I'm a third year mech engineering post grad, but that has nothing to do with it, i would have had the exact same answer in grade 11 as i do now.


288.

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give Stefan a right of reply... imho has has over thought his answer and is seeing something that is not there ...............
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notating 2(9+3) is the same as notating (2(9+3))

so therefore

48÷2(9+3) is the same as 48÷(2(9+3))

Brackts first the answer is 2.....who ever thinks it is 288 is WRONG

I'm a Mathematics Lecturer so believe me.

How is that logical, let alone right?
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The brackets are gone the moment you do the 9 + 3.

you are then left with 48 ÷ 2 x 12

..order of operations states left to right.
not what I was taught. You can't just add in your own sign, it would be 48÷2(12)
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Yes but 48/2(9+3) is NOT the same as 48/(2(9+3)), surely a mathematics lecturer would not make such an amateur mistake?

Why is it then, that my calculator, no matter which way i enter it, either 48/2*(9+3) or 48/(2(9+3)) still equals 2.
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not what I was taught. You can't just add in your own sign, it would be 48÷2(12)
The multiply sign was there from the start, i didn't pull it out of my rear
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