Anyone been a victim of the IR laws?

[OLDFORDNUT]

yeah sure,4V man,you are quoting unions as having a massive power base,Howard Government changed this years ago,the minority are now proected by unions now where as 20 years ago they did have a strong influence over companies as the majority were in unions,your speal (and thats all it is) is just what the scaremongering Howard Government have been using to scare the masses ,to open the way to destroy our countries standard of living, with only a whimper from anyone who could possibly effect some sence into their decisions,like our media, look i dont mind companies making money but when they show utter contempt for their employee's the line has been crossed, some of the things our government has done in last 10 years or so border on treasonous behavior.and anyone strong enough in the labour party has been destroyed with underhand backroom politics in there own party, now we have that GUTTLESS Kim Beasley dogooder to stick up for the workers.GOD HELP US.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Wages are usually the single biggest expense any company faces, if wages rise so does the cost of goods and services, the natural instincts of any GOOD CEO or Director is to minimise expences and maximise profit, in fact under corporate law its his responsibility to ensure a business remains viable..., this protects peoples jobs, and keeps share holders happy. Heavy penalties apply to anyone running a business while insolvent.
That said unemployment is at an all time low, and people have plenty of choice for good employment, in fact id say there is a shortage in many skilled areas causing extremely high wages as a result.
The average wage in Australia is relatively high compared to nearly every other country, we enjoy one the best standards of living as well.
Our single biggest threat was a complacent workforce protected by rediculously slanted IR laws which basically forced companies to keep "dead wood", allowed unions to virtually run peoples businesses their way, which further compounds productivity problems combined with an Ausrtalian Dollar so high that imports are so cheap it threatens local business all together.
On top of that any attempt to remove "poor performers" was an expensive minefield that cost small business hundreds of millions of dollars in unnecessary legal fees.
Look what the 38hr week cost business, now the unions want a 35hr week? get real...

Your arguments contradict each other 4Vman. Here we are living in the best country in the world under the existing IR system. Where is the evidence the sky is falling without all the new IR reforms?
This an ideological argument, not one based in fact.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

Your arguments contradict each other 4Vman. Here we are living in the best country in the world under the existing IR system. Where is the evidence the sky is falling without all the new IR reforms?
This an ideological argument, not one based in fact.

I understand what you're saying, i guess my opinion or position is based on how the old system DIRECTLY impacted me, and how it could have potentialy sent my business broke because of the "guilty to proven innocent" way the IRC worked with regards to unfair dismissal laws, had i lost it may have meant another 9 unemployed people, its bad enough that the old system forced me to spend $15K proving my innocents.
I know for a fact the Federal IR Minister was put under enourmous pressure from the small business sector to reduce litigative costs in this area, which i believe the new laws will.
The other area which has had a significant impact on me is competing with imported products, ive seen a 15-20% downturn im my industry for competitive reasons (imported V Locally made), i either improve efficiency and reduce my operational costs or shut the doors, it really is as simple as that.
I can't afford to put my prices up at the moment at all, if wages rose id struggle to compete in this current environment. This is a FACT.
There are tens of thousands of other businesses in Australia facing the exact same problem. This is also a FACT.
All the Govt is trying to do is help small business make themselves as competitive as possible without the "red tape".

[MYV8]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

The other area which has had a significant impact on me is competing with imported products, ive seen a 15-20% downturn im my industry for competitive reasons (imported V Locally made), i either improve efficiency and reduce my operational costs or shut the doors, it really is as simple as that.
I can't afford to put my prices up at the moment at all, if wages rose id struggle to compete in this current environment. This is a FACT.
There are tens of thousands of other businesses in Australia facing the exact same problem. This is also a FACT.
All the Govt is trying to do is help small business make themselves as competitive as possible without the "red tape".

Couldn't agree more, as I am one of the tens of thousands.
I am all for a decent standard of living but when wages are >$25 p/h and we are competing with countries whose expenses are a bed and a bowl of rice a day it makes it difficult to say the least.
I was once blessed with an employee who averaged 45 individual days sick per year, always a Monday or Friday and always with a Doctors cert.
I would have loved the chance to replace him instead of waiting 3 years for him to get tired of the job and leave.
He couldn't see the pressure he put on the other workers to cover his days off, or the pressure on me to avoid losing customers for late deliveries.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by MYV8

Couldn't agree more, as I am one of the tens of thousands.
I am all for a decent standard of living but when wages are >$25 p/h and we are competing with countries whose expenses are a bed and a bowl of rice a day it makes it difficult to say the least.
I was once blessed with an employee who averaged 45 individual days sick per year, always a Monday or Friday and always with a Doctors cert.
I would have loved the chance to replace him instead of waiting 3 years for him to get tired of the job and leave.
He couldn't see the pressure he put on the other workers to cover his days off, or the pressure on me to avoid losing customers for late deliveries.

Amen!

I could write a book about stunts and scams ive had to tollerate over the past 6 years in business (like you and so many others too id say) but im too frightened it will get used as an instruction manual for scammers!!! lol
Thankfully ive got a fantastic crew at the moment that im proud to employee and i make sure they get looked after.

[FTE217]

Oh thankfully some posts which I can relate to Thanks 4vman and myv8.

The "takers" in our workforce will never be satisfied as they have been fatted up too much for little productivity for too long ! The belly has burst finally !

[AshMan]

Originally Posted by nugget378

I personally knpw some one who has been affected by these laws,they work for a large health care group in a nursing home,as soon as these laws came in they started getting paid by a different company,they were all assured nothing will change,business as usual blah blah blah,now the only reason this was done was so all the employees at each of the company's "assets" is technically employed by a different company each with under 100 employees and doing so bypassing protection from unfair dismissal,two older ladies employed for many years were then sacked for no other reason but they're age with one weeks notice.These laws wont disadvantage anyone hey.Yeah right.

energex are splitting up the company as we speak...

just like this.

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by Workhorse

This an ideological argument, not one based in fact

Agreed. But... the whole concept of IR is an idealogical one. Theres 2 main ways to skin this particular cat - the old way and the new way.

A liberal government - by definition - is one that prefers to empower an indivdual (at the heart of this philosophy - a preference to reduce taxation rates and allow a citizen to look after themselves as opposed to taxing the person in order to provide a nanny state...).

The same goes for IR. A liberal philosophy is to remove collective agreements and allow an employee to go head to head with their employer in setting wages and conditions. Howard has stated his preference for AWAs since day 1. Its an intrinsic ideological belief of a conservative party.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

The "takers" in our workforce will never be satisfied as they have been fatted up too much for little productivity for too long ! The belly has burst finally !

Here, here!

Reminds me of a beuatiful simpsons moment...

Waif: "One day, we'll form a union and get the fair and equitable treatment we deserve! Then we'll go too far, and get corrupt and shiftless, and the Japanese will eat us alive!"

Burns Grandfather: "The Japanese? Those sandal-wearing goldfish tenders? Ha ha! Bosh! Flimflaw!"

[Outbackjack]

Reading some of these posts its obvious that the average Aussie worker is up against it. He/she is obviously nothing but a lazy/scheming/sickie taking/goofing off no hoper....... Yay !!Lets bring in the Asians!!! Theyr'e perfect!!! Just what this country needs.

[SpoolMan]

Anyone been a victim of the IR laws?

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

the average Aussie worker

Can you provide some more guidance on the "average aussie worker"???

I'm pretty much smack bang on the avg weekly earnings... a lot less than most tradeys i know... but i fear that because i wear a suit to work - i may not fit your mould of the "average aussie worker"??

Heck... even my boss (who i consider to be on a very good wage and has been in the finance industry for 20+ years) earns less than a crane operator i know... are either of these guys part of this "average aussie worker" category? The crane operator is a devout union man, flys the southern cross atop his post with proud and considers himself a bit of a "working class type" (his words, not mine lol...).

Actually... said crane operator has a salary more akin to that of the prime minister... is John H a member of the "average aussie worker" group?

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by SpoolMan

Anyone been a victim of the IR laws?

Doesnt actually sound like it.

Id actually like to know what a "victom of the IR laws" is?
Is it someone who got the boot for being lazy or doing a poor job repeatidly at work and is now crying foul?
Thay's not a victim in my eyes, thats normal business and just a concequence.
Is it someone who's done a great job at work and for some unexplained reason they got the boot? maybe, but i havent heard of a genuine case like that yet.
The problem is every time someone gets dismissed now everyone crys "victim of new IR laws" etc, when the reality probably is they probably would (or should) have got the boot anyway.
The other point is if it was an "unfair dismissal" they haven't persued their legal rights (100+ employees) because they dont understand the laws anyway.

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

The other point is if it was an "unfair dismissal" they haven't persued their legal rights (100+ employees) because they dont understand the laws anyway.

Also a lot of cases ive heard cited look and smell like unlawful dismissal (discrimination against age or for refusing to sign an AWA etc) which no employer is exempt from the provisions of...

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Doesnt actually sound like it.

Id actually like to know what a "victom of the IR laws" is?
Is it someone who got the boot for being lazy or doing a poor job repeatidly at work and is now crying foul?
Thay's not a victim in my eyes, thats normal business and just a concequence.
Is it someone who's done a great job at work and for some unexplained reason they got the boot? maybe, but i havent heard of a genuine case like that yet.
The problem is every time someone gets dismissed now everyone crys "victim of new IR laws" etc, when the reality probably is they probably would (or should) have got the boot anyway.
The other point is if it was an "unfair dismissal" they haven't persued their legal rights (100+ employees) because they dont understand the laws anyway.

Even blind Freddie can see that it will hit the fan when current AWA's expire. And we wont see the true effect of these laws until after the next election and only then if the current dictators get back in. Companies are chomping at the bit to start stripping conditions. But they dont want to make it too hard for the current lot to get back. Now if they do get back in, will Johnny see that as a mandate to go even further at stripping working conditions. For all you Aussie worker bashers, YOU are not imune! And of course you are all absolutely perfect workers that your employer just could not do without...... right??

[turboute]

Did anyone watch Comedy Inc last night when Johnny got sacked from the liberal party under the IR laws? That was pretty damn funny.

However being a contractor already I reakon they do not effect me one bit - I have been working under a similar system for at least year longer than most people.

The people who need this the most are the really small buisinesses who if they have a large decrease in work can get rid of a few people to keep the buisness afloat, without these laws it would cost too much to fire people and they would go bankrupt etc. so they can get rid off one or two people and keep another 5 or so employed instead of 7 people becoming unemployed and 1 of them(the owner) becoming bankrupt.

Unfortunately everyone only thinks about themselves instead of what will happen to everyone in Australia. The manufacturing industry is overinflated pricewise and cannot compete with overseas rates, there are other industries following suit too (engineering design - the field I work in - for example).

Thing is with the low unemployment around and the skills shortage there will always be something for everyone to do. For example my wife cannot find anyone to work full time hours in retail at the moment - you dont even need to be skilled to do that...

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Reading some of these posts its obvious that the average Aussie worker is up against it. He/she is obviously nothing but a lazy/scheming/sickie taking/goofing off no hoper....... Yay !!Lets bring in the Asians!!! Theyr'e perfect!!! Just what this country needs.

Ive employed somewhere around 50 people over the past 6 years, they've come and gone for various reasons but of those 50 id say 4 were above average shonks, that displayed an open willingness to rort the system both at work and welfare, my conservative guess is that somewhere between 3-6% of the employed workforce are willingly lazy or display poor work ethics and will where ever possible take without giving, cause disruptions, disputes and general disharmony amongst the rest of their team and are career social security rorters and "sponges".
That means that approx 95% of the workforce are decent hard working Australians! however you'd be amazed how much damage those bad 5% can do to a healthy business, and economic supply chain...
With unemployment @ approx 7%, (allot of those 7% are most likely unemployable due to various reasons) that means that if you take into account the need for the appropriate skill-set for any given job vacancy there's far more jobs around than decent qualified workers.
This means the chances of a decent average hard working employee being "unfairly" dismissed from a healthy business is rather low.....

[SpoolMan]

Some of you need to read over your posts, you are post whoring this thread.
The same thing being written time and time again.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Also a lot of cases ive heard cited look and smell like unlawful dismissal (discrimination against age or for refusing to sign an AWA etc) which no employer is exempt from the provisions of...

Yes, "unfair dismissal" is allot different to "unlawful dismissal"

[XAGSV8]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Even blind Freddie can see that it will hit the fan when current AWA's expire. And we wont see the true effect of these laws until after the next election and only then if the current dictators get back in. Companies are chomping at the bit to start stripping conditions. ??

You make it sound like every company is out there to get the employee. Just to let everybody know AWA's make up 2.5% of the workforce.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Ive employed somewhere around 50 people over the past 6 years, they've come and gone for various reasons but of those 50 id say 4 were above average shonks, that displayed an open willingness to rort the system both at work and welfare, my conservative guess is that somewhere between 3-6% of the employed workforce are willingly lazy or display poor work ethics and will where ever possible take without giving, cause disruptions, disputes and general disharmony amongst the rest of their team and are career social security rorters and "sponges".
That means that approx 95% of the workforce are decent hard working Australians! however you'd be amazed how much damage those bad 5% can do to a healthy business, and economic supply chain...
With unemployment @ approx 7%, (allot of those 7% are most likely unemployable due to various reasons) that means that if you take into account the need for the appropriate skill-set for any given job vacancy there's far more jobs around than decent qualified workers.
This means the chances of a decent average hard working employee being "unfairly" dismissed from a healthy business is rather low.....

Your percentages here are propably a fair guestimate of the dead weight that the harder workers haule around with them. I agree that there are totalaly unmotivated bludgers on the payroll in this country. But when will it end? There will always be a slower 5 % in ANY group of people. So we get rid of this 5 %. Then the next 5%. Will it only end when there are nothing but some kind of nonstop working drones in the work force. I will never support laws that try to make us all totally equal in the work force. That is an ideology that will never work.

[owl]

remember there is no perfect answer to industrial relations harmoney i think if your a good worker and your fairdikim there are plenty of decent bosses out there ready to put you on and do everything they can to keep you by paying the right money

[rapidxr6]

I've been very reluctant to post in this thread so i'll keep it short, last month i was in Melbourne for union busines on the thursday night i went to an information seminar regarding the new I.R laws at the Victorian Trades Hall on Lygon.
This is what a new AWA looks like under the new I.R Laws for Spotlight workers in NSW.

SPOTLIGHT AWA v SHOP EMPLOYEES (STATE) AWARD NSW.
Full Time Employee------Shop Employees(state) ---------Spotlight AWA
----------------------Award N.S.W(pre new I.R laws-------under new Laws
Base rate of Pay----------$14.28 PH-----------------------$14.30 PH----
Saturday O.T rate---------125%=$17.85PH--------------$14.30PH----
Sunday O.T rate-----------150%=$21.42PH--------------$14.30PH----
Public Hol.penalty rate------250%=$35.70PH-----------$14.30PH----
Overtime Rate-------------150% first 2hrs-----------------------------
--------------------------200% there after----------------------NO OVERTIME
Rest Breaks----------------Paid 10 min(smoko)---------No paid breaks--
Ordinary hours----------7am-6pm mon-wed---------------------------
------------------------7am-9pm Thurs-fri----------------------all hours worked
------------------------7am-6pm sat-----------------------------are ordinary hours
------------------------8am-5pm Sun---------------------------------
Annual leave loading-----17.5%---------------------------No leave loading----
Roster protections-----Gaurenteed RDO's-------------No RDO's--------
---------------------no more than 5 day per week-----------------------
--------------------(or 6 one week 4 the next)---------------No restriction on number
-----------------------------------------------------------of consecutive days
-----------------------------------------------------------worked without a break--
-------------At least 10 hours between shift----------------No min. break between.
First aid Allowance------$1.54 per day--------------------No allowance---------
Meal Allowance----------$10.80 per meal-----------------No Allowance-------
Uniform Allownace-------$8.80 per week------------------No Allowance
Part Time employees------MAX 30hrs per week------Can be rqrd to work
-----------------------------------------------------------over 38 hrs per week


This information was handed out to everyone that attended the I.R laws seminar.
For any information you require regarding the new legislation contact Ellen or Lisa at the victorian tades hall!!!

This last piece is for OUTBACKJACK you have 'fire in your belly' there matee, it's good to see the 'fight' in some people! you oughta consider becoming an ambassador AGAINST the new : I.R laws :togo: ..!!..

(HAHA keep it short my butt!!, took me an hour to type out, no damn scanner)

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by rapidxr6

I've been very reluctant to post in this thread so i'll keep it short, last month i was in Melbourne for union busines on the thursday night i went to an information seminar regarding the new I.R laws at the Victorian Trades Hall on Lygon.
This is what a new AWA looks like under the new I.R Laws for Spotlight workers in NSW.

SPOTLIGHT AWA v SHOP EMPLOYEES (STATE) AWARD NSW.
Full Time Employee------Shop Employees(state) ---------Spotlight AWA
----------------------Award N.S.W(pre new I.R laws-------under new Laws
Base rate of Pay----------$14.28 PH-----------------------$14.30 PH----
Saturday O.T rate---------125%=$17.85PH--------------$14.30PH----
Sunday O.T rate-----------150%=$21.42PH--------------$14.30PH----
Public Hol.penalty rate------250%=$35.70PH-----------$14.30PH----
Overtime Rate-------------150% first 2hrs-----------------------------
--------------------------200% there after----------------------NO OVERTIME
Rest Breaks----------------Paid 10 min(smoko)---------No paid breaks--
Ordinary hours----------7am-6pm mon-wed---------------------------
------------------------7am-9pm Thurs-fri----------------------all hours worked
------------------------7am-6pm sat-----------------------------are ordinary hours
------------------------8am-5pm Sun---------------------------------
Annual leave loading-----17.5%---------------------------No leave loading----
Roster protections-----Gaurenteed RDO's-------------No RDO's--------
---------------------no more than 5 day per week-----------------------
--------------------(or 6 one week 4 the next)---------------No restriction on number
-----------------------------------------------------------of consecutive days
-----------------------------------------------------------worked without a break--
-------------At least 10 hours between shift----------------No min. break between.
First aid Allowance------$1.54 per day--------------------No allowance---------
Meal Allowance----------$10.80 per meal-----------------No Allowance-------
Uniform Allownace-------$8.80 per week------------------No Allowance
Part Time employees------MAX 30hrs per week------Can be rqrd to work
-----------------------------------------------------------over 38 hrs per week


This information was handed out to everyone that attended the I.R laws seminar.
For any information you require regarding the new legislation contact Ellen or Lisa at the victorian tades hall!!!

This last piece is for OUTBACKJACK you have 'fire in your belly' there matee, it's good to see the 'fight' in some people! you oughta consider becoming an ambassador AGAINST the new : I.R laws :togo: ..!!..

(HAHA keep it short my butt!!, took me an hour to type out, no damn scanner)

Now I can see how these laws are going to benefit us all. Reluctant, I know how you feel. I was not going to mention this because of the tall poppie syndrome, but myself and the few peole that I work with have been told to expect a cut of 70K in income next financial year. Our AWA ran out in May.
And we are very highly qualified people. Ok flame me for bragging...... But this is why I keep harping on that NO-ONE is immune.... stuck record, stuck record, stuck record.

[Casper]

Found out on Monday I'm going to be a victim of the new IR laws.
Since I don't have an award or an EBA (private employer contract is the closest term I can come up with) I will now fall under the new IR laws.

My CEO has told my team the following will apply:
less away from home travel will be phased in (we all hate the travel)
a MINIMUM of a reduction of average worked hours from 49.25 to 45 hours a week (without reduction in salary amounts)
increase in the "profit bonus" scheme percentages
minimum 5 new team members to be hired in the next 12 months to reduce workloads (see reduction of worked hours)
$2500 bonus for outstanding work payable July 15th (because we all asked to have it delayed to next financial year)
Any "single day AL" required will be defaulted to assumed Time in Lieu hours owing so AL balance is not reduced in these cases.


Sound like a fantasy? Anyone who knows me will tell you its not. Oh, and these conditions were discussed over dinner at Faddish restaurant at Fed square on Tue night... entree, main, desert and as much as we wanted to drink fully paid for by the company.

Yeah, these IR laws are a killer. Sometimes a lot of hard work, dedication and loyalty is rewarded. Don't just assume we all get shafted the same.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by Casper

Found out on Monday I'm going to be a victim of the new IR laws.
Since I don't have an award or an EBA (private employer contract is the closest term I can come up with) I will now fall under the new IR laws.

My CEO has told my team the following will apply:
less away from home travel will be phased in (we all hate the travel)
a MINIMUM of a reduction of average worked hours from 49.25 to 45 hours a week (without reduction in salary amounts)
increase in the "profit bonus" scheme percentages
minimum 5 new team members to be hired in the next 12 months to reduce workloads (see reduction of worked hours)
$2500 bonus for outstanding work payable July 15th (because we all asked to have it delayed to next financial year)
Any "single day AL" required will be defaulted to assumed Time in Lieu hours owing so AL balance is not reduced in these cases.


Sound like a fantasy? Anyone who knows me will tell you its not. Oh, and these conditions were discussed over dinner at Faddish restaurant at Fed square on Tue night... entree, main, desert and as much as we wanted to drink fully paid for by the company.

Yeah, these IR laws are a killer. Sometimes a lot of hard work, dedication and loyalty is rewarded. Don't just assume we all get shafted the same.

Here in lies thr problem, I'm alright, F the rest of you..... you must all be lazy buggers. (Can I say buggers here?)

[Casper]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Here in lies thr problem, I'm alright, F the rest of you..... you must all be lazy buggers. (Can I say buggers here?)

As opposed to "I'm screwed so I'm going to ensure you are all (at least afraid of being) screwed with me"

All I have heard is massive negatives about these laws but the very moment someone says a positve its "F you all, I'm fine and a selfish bastard".

You know what... I think that a massive double standard by the unions is being built here (and dont tell me I dont know unions... my brother is very high in the NWU.. I know all about them)

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by Casper

As opposed to "I'm screwed so I'm going to ensure you are all (at least afraid of being) screwed with me"

All I have heard is massive negatives about these laws but the very moment someone says a positve its "F you all, I'm fine and a selfish bastard".

You know what... I think that a massive double standard by the unions is being built here (and dont tell me I dont know unions... my brother is very high in the NWU.. I know all about them)

Nothing personal meant there casper. But please explain why your CEO waited for the new IR's before he made your work life so much better? And what has he gained from it?

[Casper]

In the end people were asked the question "Anyone been a victim of the IR laws?".

I've read a hell of a lot of proposed doom and gloom but no actual cases of it. In fact my case is there as an example of what has happened to me as an employee in the last few days.

So this "victim" story is actually a positive one... but I must be special or selfish or highly educated to have that case because it puts a damn big hole in the bottom of the "union scare tactic" boat as far as I can see.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Nothing personal meant there casper. But please explain why your CEO waited for the new IR's before he made your work life so much better? And what has he gained from it?

He didnt wait for the IR laws. Like 99% of businesses he's trying to simply run it as best he can. The whole "new IR laws, time to screw the employee" deal is a falasy. Bad employers would do it anyhow and bad employee's wont stop screwing the system either.

As for what has he gained? The train up time in my job is close to 12 months. Top end people are closer to 5-6 years minimum in the industry. Its certainly worth his while to pay top dollar and keep the right people than just go for the easy dollar and cut costs.

I have a good employer, I dont deny it, but its nothing totally out of the ordinary. My other brother (totally different industry) just got a pay rise as well and by step brother has been screwing over his employer for years on a free ride (and probably deserves to get sacked).

In fact the only family member who is having issues with his job security is my union employeed brother withthe NWU. Ironic huh?

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by Casper

In the end people were asked the question "Anyone been a victim of the IR laws?".

I've read a hell of a lot of proposed doom and gloom but no actual cases of it. In fact my case is there as an example of what has happened to me as an employee in the last few days.

So this "victim" story is actually a positive one... but I must be special or selfish or highly educated to have that case because it puts a damn big hole in the bottom of the "union scare tactic" boat as far as I can see.

Maybe we were typing at the same time, but can i ask the same questions again.... I am just curious thats all....... If there is a positive to all this stuff that suddenly enables your CEO to reduce your working hours and not effect your pay, basically a pay rise.....I am keen to know the details, not the numbers, just the mechanism that he built into the new laws. Its not too many CEO's that give something for nothing. What did he get in return......

Cheers.