Australia To Censor Internet

[99-MONT]

i hate the way our country is going.

if government control becomes too big here it might push a few people over the edge and move to another country where the govt arent controlling idiots

[Redrum]

This is nothing more than another way for the Government to take full control of our lifes. Society seems to geared almost on course for a big brother type draconian form of oppression of the masses.

[Daymoe]

Holy war against Labour Government!

Seriously, WHY THE HELL are they forcing this on us? As if our crappy internet needs this, its slow enough and expensive enough as it is now. We all voted in the trendy guy with glasses who can speak mandarin, now we pay the consequences.

[Steve]

We're being turned into the People's Republic of Australia. Thank you very much Chairman Rudd.
This is yet another tool for this guvmint's aim of social egineering and will be used to ultimately silence political dissent. "think and do whatever you like, as long as we approve of it".
Seriously though, I think paedophiles should be castrated but this isn't the solution.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Steve

We're being turned into the People's Republic of Australia. Thank you very much Chairman Rudd.
This is yet another tool for this guvmint's aim of social egineering and will be used to ultimately silence political dissent. "think and do whatever you like, as long as we approve of it".
Seriously though, I think paedophiles should be castrated but this isn't the solution.

The excuses will be security issues or something else that is emotive so many will struggle to argue against it but quite clearly it is censorship to gain control of what is the only median which has true freedom of speech left in this world. The media is a bias as hell and Governments realize that they cannot control the message and hence the masses.

Chairman Rudd is 100% perfect, I like it. I won't carry on in saying what I truly think of the people that voted in Kevin 07, but they wont need their internet censored as they are already sheep.

[Bucknaked]

If anyone needs internet porn. It's the Rudds.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Redrum

The excuses will be security issues or something else that is emotive so many will struggle to argue against it....

Yeah, unfortunately the approach used will be that if you oppose them then you're either a peadophile yourself or you're suporting the abuse of children. The same argument has been used against those who oppose the state government's speed camera policies; if you're opposed to it then you're obviously a hoon and a danger to society.

[DoreSlamR]

This link was posted earlier but since this thread has popped up again I reckon we need a refresher.

http://nocleanfeed.com/

go check out there, has contact details of the minister pushing for this, a petition. An email template to send as well, voicing our disgust at such a plan.

[Spudz27]

Do you think the government actually read anything posted on forums? I think not or else they would realise it will lead to their demise.

On topic. They have just said they are going to try it out with volunteers. My ISP better not or I will change providers. I have 1 child and 1 on the way and I am responsible enough to monitor the net myself. This boils down to hardlined religous and family groups pushing for it. Also it is the usual "Oh my johhny looked at porn, I gave him a PC in his room un monitored but the government should be to blame, god forbid I take responsibility"

[flappist]

It really cracks me up how many people get so fired up about this. All of the mostly teens/twenties who will rebel and are sure "no one will do it" and "we will get around it" and rah rah rah.

Strangely when I was in my 20s everyone drove after drinking, it was not a really bad thing back them.
Hooning was fun and as long as you did not annoy anyone the coppers did not care.
We all used to own guns, have a few beers (heavies, no such thing as light), go out into the scrub, attempt to murder some skippies or pigs, go swimming in the water supply dam, come back, drag race in some back street where there were no houses and generally have fun.

AND NO ONE CARED.

Now all those things a major crimes and it seems to be same people who are screaming foul here are the ones who scream "off with his head" if any of my above "crimes" are committed today.

I wonder if 30 years from now the teens/twenties of that era will be disgusted to hear a story of how there was p0rn and "anti social motor vehicle groups" on the internet back in the "naughties" and scream "off with his head" when a 50 something year old is found with a picture of a semi-naked girl lying on the bonnet of a FG GT he owned back then?

[DoreSlamR]

they most likely will flappist, imagine what beer will be like in 30 years time...scary stuff!

On topic, the reason why people are up in arms about all this is no one wants it except the government. One of the main reasonings behind this move is to keep kids away from adult content online. Firstly parents should be able to use their own judgment on such a thing, much like tv, movies and games. The stupid thing is the government had a program, much like net nanny but designed for Australia, FREE to download. It failed.... why? Because parents either monitored what their kids were doing online OR they didn't care less.


Either way, a ban on 10,000 + websites?? Ridiculous!

[guzzis3]

I don't normally quote a whole post, but this time I have deliberately.

Couldn't agree with you more.

The trouble as I see it is people keep voting for these ^&* and no one seems riled enough to do anything meaningful to claw back our country and our way of life. I remember when we were young people and politicians were willing to have real, passionate political debates. People seemed to actually want stuff to change. Now all they seem to care about is thier &*()%#$@ mortgage rates. They cower in their urban palaces in front of the flat screen hoping no one breaks in their front door and robbs or arrests them, and believe everything the government tells them.

Very annoying.

Originally Posted by flappist

It really cracks me up how many people get so fired up about this. All of the mostly teens/twenties who will rebel and are sure "no one will do it" and "we will get around it" and rah rah rah.

Strangely when I was in my 20s everyone drove after drinking, it was not a really bad thing back them.
Hooning was fun and as long as you did not annoy anyone the coppers did not care.
We all used to own guns, have a few beers (heavies, no such thing as light), go out into the scrub, attempt to murder some skippies or pigs, go swimming in the water supply dam, come back, drag race in some back street where there were no houses and generally have fun.

AND NO ONE CARED.

Now all those things a major crimes and it seems to be same people who are screaming foul here are the ones who scream "off with his head" if any of my above "crimes" are committed today.

I wonder if 30 years from now the teens/twenties of that era will be disgusted to hear a story of how there was p0rn and "anti social motor vehicle groups" on the internet back in the "naughties" and scream "off with his head" when a 50 something year old is found with a picture of a semi-naked girl lying on the bonnet of a FG GT he owned back then?

[GS608]

Originally Posted by flappist

It really cracks me up how many people get so fired up about this. All of the mostly teens/twenties who will rebel and are sure "no one will do it" and "we will get around it" and rah rah rah.

Strangely when I was in my 20s everyone drove after drinking, it was not a really bad thing back them.
Hooning was fun and as long as you did not annoy anyone the coppers did not care.
We all used to own guns, have a few beers (heavies, no such thing as light), go out into the scrub, attempt to murder some skippies or pigs, go swimming in the water supply dam, come back, drag race in some back street where there were no houses and generally have fun.

AND NO ONE CARED.

Now all those things a major crimes and it seems to be same people who are screaming foul here are the ones who scream "off with his head" if any of my above "crimes" are committed today.

I wonder if 30 years from now the teens/twenties of that era will be disgusted to hear a story of how there was p0rn and "anti social motor vehicle groups" on the internet back in the "naughties" and scream "off with his head" when a 50 something year old is found with a picture of a semi-naked girl lying on the bonnet of a FG GT he owned back then?

jees mate i would have loved to have been around when you were in your 20s, yeah things have changed, cars are more powerful, a lot more people and houses and risks, but political correctness is killing the world, everyone must be wrapped in bubble wrap because nobody wants to take responsibility for their own actions, people are lazy and stupid and if something goes wrong then they blame the government for not protecting them, FFS get a life.

Step by step we are losing our freedom.

[Sourbastard]

the revolution will never arrive aslong as we have a nice fat middle class with loans and debts and too much to lose. Change is engineered by the opressed masses. Not the mildly annoyed plasma tv owners.

However a global depression might change the playing field somewhat.

Remember, a vote for uncle bastard, is a vote for anarchy.

[DoreSlamR]

May have found a way around it.


Bypass Australia's internet filters for free


Balance is restored in the universe again.

[balthazarr]

Originally Posted by DoreSlamR

May have found a way around it.


Bypass Australia's internet filters for free


Balance is restored in the universe again.

The point is not whether or not the filter can be bypassed... the real point is two-fold:

1. Speed. When compared to other developed nations, Australia already lags behind... we need more speed, not less.

2. Precedent. IMHO, it sets a dangerous precedent. Allowing the government to filter what is essentially the last truly free medium is not a good thing.... we're a liberal democracy, not an oppressive regime. Classify information if you like, allow end-users to block content, but the government indiscriminately blocking content it deems 'inappropriate' is not a good thing.

[DoreSlamR]

Originally Posted by balthazarr

The point is not whether or not the filter can be bypassed... the real point is two-fold:

1. Speed. When compared to other developed nations, Australia already lags behind... we need more speed, not less.

2. Precedent. IMHO, it sets a dangerous precedent. Allowing the government to filter what is essentially the last truly free medium is not a good thing.... we're a liberal democracy, not an oppressive regime. Classify information if you like, allow end-users to block content, but the government indiscriminately blocking content it deems 'inappropriate' is not a good thing.

Totally agree, but it's a start at least in the right direction, they might realise there are ways around it and decide it's a waste of money. Doubtful I know but it's better than nothing.

[balthazarr]

Originally Posted by DoreSlamR

Totally agree, but it's a start at least in the right direction, they might realise there are ways around it and decide it's a waste of money. Doubtful I know but it's better than nothing.

I agree... the likelihood of anything changing is quite slim. The only real chance we have is the large-scale trials crashing-and-burning... even then, they'll probably revisit it in a few years (just like they're doing now) and try all over again.

If the government truly wanted to be a*holes of the highest order, they could mandate that many/most of the most popular proxy/VPN services also be blocked. People would still find ways around it, but it would make is much harder.

[bdave351]

There is protests being planned for all the capital cities on the 13DEC2008.

Optus and IInet have both agreed at this time to take part with the stated aim of showing it doesnt work hahahaha

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by XR-CHIEF

Step by step we are losing our freedom.

Yes, its been this way bit by bit in AUS, and most of the western world, since the 1960's.

[seduced_xr]

if i recall kevin dudd said he was going to make speeds faster... not slower

[Daymoe]

Originally Posted by seduced_xr

if i recall kevin dudd said he was going to make speeds faster... not slower

Hah, speeds faster with an already outdated "national broadband network", before its even begun...

[S3SR]

guns would fix this


or just use a http tunnel, run through another computer somewhere in the world that doesnt filter your incoming data.

google has also done similar, some countries respective google sites dont allow searches of certain keywords/phrases

or use torrents, if its a movie, zip, mp3, document, whatever some torrent site has it, all kevin rudd has done is help make the "internet users" learn a little more...... good for him

[balthazarr]

Originally Posted by S3SR

...
or use torrents, if its a movie, zip, mp3, document, whatever some torrent site has it,...

All good in theory... until they start filtering all the torrent sites. Remember, you will not be able to opt out of the 'illegal' filter.

[sgt_doofey]

Originally Posted by balthazarr

All good in theory... until they start filtering all the torrent sites. Remember, you will not be able to opt out of the 'illegal' filter.

They can't filter P2P. Yes, they can filter out the torrent sites where you get the torrent file from, but they can't filter out P2P due to it's very nature of connecting up to potentially hundreds of different computers and IP addresses. So unless the IP addresses of each person that shares on P2P is blocked, then there is no hope.
All I can say is, I voted for the other guy.

[DoreSlamR]

Originally Posted by sgt_doofey

They can't filter P2P. Yes, they can filter out the torrent sites where you get the torrent file from, but they can't filter out P2P due to it's very nature of connecting up to potentially hundreds of different computers and IP addresses. So unless the IP addresses of each person that shares on P2P is blocked, then there is no hope.
All I can say is, I voted for the other guy.

It's the shame that the net filter was already on the table ready to roll out while the other guy was PM. It seems the PTB really want this to happen. Not encouraging at all.

[irlewy86]

Originally Posted by balthazarr

All good in theory... until they start filtering all the torrent sites. Remember, you will not be able to opt out of the 'illegal' filter.

Which is the whole point of the exercise.

First... They tried filtering software at the user point. FAIL
Next... They use ISP filtering of a few overt sites. FAIL
Then.... They expand the system, more illegal content FAIL
After that... People are still using torrents etc, Peer to Peer is banned

I think you get the picture.

I wonder if AOL is behind this somewhere

[Daymoe]

ISPs can throttle P2P traffic, so i'm guessing the government could just force the ISP to throttle it back to dialup speed, that'd effectively kill torrents, who the hell wants a 700mb+ file downloading at 5kb/s?

[Spudz27]

Originally Posted by bdave351

There is protests being planned for all the capital cities on the 13DEC2008.

Optus and IInet have both agreed at this time to take part with the stated aim of showing it doesnt work hahahaha

**** you iinet that is my provider.

[sgt_doofey]

Originally Posted by Daymoe

ISPs can throttle P2P traffic, so i'm guessing the government could just force the ISP to throttle it back to dialup speed, that'd effectively kill torrents, who the hell wants a 700mb+ file downloading at 5kb/s?

But, you can download perfectly legal things via P2P, so they'd be throttling legal content which wouldn't be very popular at all.

Originally Posted by EDfutura25

**** you iinet that is my provider.

Did you actually read why iiNet are participating in the trial? They are in it so they can prove it's a crock of excrement and that it simply won't work.