VE GTS 427 385kw here October 07 - Page 4

gs1973 · 27-06-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Must be one of those guys who test drives an m3, slk55 and the likes then goes and buy's a VW golf.

Ha,Ha, Yeah. You would think that if you were in to Volkswagons that you would just wear dark sunglasses and keep your head down! The 'yoof' of today,Where will it end...

Oh dear, it's pretty funny aint it?

Green X · 27-06-2007, 07:47 PM

****** Holden put out 150, 385KW GTS's and all of a sudden ford are screwed.

427CI Vs 330Ci and the thing makes 95KW more, yeah it's a real weapon hay.

It's not even Australian it's a lump of GM crated up and shipped over unlike the BOSS which even thou some Parts are From Ford US, it's still a Austrian built engine.

sleekism · 27-06-2007, 07:48 PM

Oi can somebody scan the Wheels article for us?

XRQTOR · 27-06-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ESP

Too true !!!!!!!!

Any company would be up against it to ensure the reliabilty of such a product......let alone the R & D cost of even getting something like a Supercharged V8 on the AUSSIE MARKET. Most aftermarket guru tuners already have a base to work with and many of them don't give a hoot about ADR or warranty or any other legal requirements.

Most European exotics have a MUCH LARGER market to distribute into so the R & D costs for a M5 or M3 are easily absorbed by volume sales........where the hell would FORD or even HSV get their money back from such an investment............it sure as hell wouldn't sell anywhere outside of AUS............and I wonder how many of the keyboard pilots here would rock up to their FPV dealer with 120 - 150 K and drive away in one ????

Sparse R & D $$$ for such elite niche markets is better spent on the mainstream FPV products.

The BPR & YT kits are ADR'd and completely street legal, 4ookw & legal for 1ok.

If ford really wanted to they could buy 1ooo shelby engines, FRPP Dealer cost is $11,5oo usd each. Wonder what sort of discount you'd get if you bought 1ooo at a time.

gs1973 · 27-06-2007, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Green X

****** Holden put out 150, 385KW GTS's and all of a sudden ford are screwed.

427CI Vs 330Ci and the thing makes 95KW more, yeah it's a real weapon hay.

It's not even Australian it's a lump of GM crated up and shipped over unlike the BOSS which even thou some Parts are From Ford US, it's still a Austrian built engine.

I'm a Ford nut but I take my hat off to GM going out on a limb to produce this thing...Don't worry where the motor comes from,It's seven litres of kick **** pushrod V8 thats ready to swing all the doof doof,Nancy boy shopping trolley drivers with there ants fart blow off valves hats around! Geez there aint nothin' like V8 tyre smoke in the mornin'.

XRQTOR · 27-06-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Green X

****** Holden put out 150, 385KW GTS's and all of a sudden ford are screwed.

427CI Vs 330Ci and the thing makes 95KW more, yeah it's a real weapon hay.

It's not even Australian it's a lump of GM crated up and shipped over unlike the BOSS which even thou some Parts are From Ford US, it's still a Austrian built engine.

WHats aussie about the Boss engine, the intake nothing else. THen it gets screwed together here, nothing to brag about.

4Vman · 27-06-2007, 07:57 PM

Its one thing to build a fully ADR compliant 400kw engine, that's probably the easiest bit, you then need to make sure its user friendly and reliable in every possible driving condition.

Then you need to totally RE-ENGINEER a chassis and driveline to deal safely and reliably with 400kw's..... That all costs millions..

AWD Chaser · 27-06-2007, 07:57 PM

The 427 LE could be a test mule for a later mass production model, or it could be a test mule for an American car, with Holden just testing the engine, and making a bit of money in the mean time.

But it is more then likly a branding attraction... the fact that they did produce, and sell a 427... some people think that makes them better then the blue competition.

Ford just need some stand out things, and that will sway the opinion.. but lets not go there.

XRQTOR · 27-06-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Its one thing to build a fully ADR compliant 400kw engine, that's probably the easiest bit, you then need to totally RE-ENGINEER a chassis and driveline to deal safely and reliably with 400kw's..... That costs millions..

The Ba/BF chassis will handle it, the driveline won't.

**Polyal** · 27-06-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by au3 chaser

But it is more then likly a branding attraction.

Good point! Holden and the VE have been quiet lately, most of the talk has been Orion pics.

4Vman · 27-06-2007, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

The Ba/BF chassis will handle it, the driveline won't.

How do you know? just because people modify their BA's to have 400kw's and the cars can drive doesnt mean its a healthy relationship..
Ford have rigerous and extremely conservative internal design standards that must be met before a single vehicle hits the road.
Chassis torsional rigidity and durability may appear fine on a backyard blower job short term, but long term maybe a different proposition... of which i doubt Ford would take too many chances on..

philstoj · 27-06-2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Green X

It's not even Australian it's a lump of GM crated up and shipped over unlike the BOSS which even thou some Parts are From Ford US, it's still a Austrian built engine.

LOL, Austrian?

Good on HSV, they might aswell do it if Ford dont want to...

Will be a good thing, an aussie car takes on the big boys!!

Cant wait to see the look on Jeremy Clarkson's face when he gives it a bootfull

Whitey-AMG · 27-06-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

The Ba/BF chassis will handle it, the driveline won't.

How would it handle it ??????

The BF Chassis is almost already on the limit with the current set up !!!!!!!
A nose heavy 400Kw V8 in the current set up would only make it a BIGGER pig to handle than it currently is...........
We're not talking a trip up to your local dragstrip for 13 seconds of fun in a straight line here. FORD would have to ensure that this thing stayed glued together without twist or NVH issues for at least the warranty period and possibly more if resale values and reputation are anything to consider.

This ain't PIMP MY RIDE............its gotta be a solid reliable warranty viable mass produced product.

Eaturbo · 27-06-2007, 08:15 PM

Funny how TOYOTA sell so many cars but with Not a Hero car in sight nor do they race V8 supercars or Drag race. Holden and Ford do it to try and keep there buyers away from all the Japanese brands.

Whitey-AMG · 27-06-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaturbo

Funny how TOYOTA sell so many cars but with Not a Hero car in sight nor do they race V8 supercars or Drag race. Holden and Ford do it to try and keep there buyers away from all the Japanese brands.

You may be right..........but the director of TRD may beg to differ.........LOL

Rock ape · 27-06-2007, 08:21 PM

FPV will just take it up the a$$ again.

4Vman · 27-06-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ESP

This ain't PIMP MY RIDE.............

Sometimes you could be forgiven for thinking it is though!!

Green X · 27-06-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

WHats aussie about the Boss engine, the intake nothing else. THen it gets screwed together here, nothing to brag about.

Show me a US car with a 5.4 litre 290kw quad cam V8 in it like the Boss??????

Closed thing they have is the engine out of the Navigator

and that makes it more Australian then Holden in my Books who spotted there motor advertised in a GM Performance parts catalogue for a good price so brought 150 of them.

Whitey-AMG · 27-06-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BAGT001

FPV will just take it up the a$$ again.

Maybe HSV will after their loss on the project.........

At the end of the day, it's gotta be a profitable exercise, otherwise senior GM management will be handing out profilactics and getting lots of people to touch their toes !!!!!!!!!!!

chich · 27-06-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FASTXR

Went to a Q & A sesssion with Tom Gorman during the FPV Open Day weekend and the topic of power figures came up. Gorman made the point (and I have to agree to an extent) that at which point do you say enough is enough? He put forward that realistically, how much power and what sort of speeds does a car really need in a country where most of us are limited to 110km/h? I know we're talking about performance cars here, but how much is enough - 300kw? 350? 400? More?

Probably better off working on improving ride, handling, driveline etc rather than just increasing the power.

Er, what else would you expect him to say when they don't have anything as powerfull?

apolloxbgt · 27-06-2007, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaturbo

Funny how TOYOTA sell so many cars but with Not a Hero car in sight nor do they race V8 supercars or Drag race. Holden and Ford do it to try and keep there buyers away from all the Japanese brands.

Ever heared of a little thing called F1,what about the WRC.Toyota are after enthusiest's,they just play on the world stage rather than locally.

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Originally Posted by ESP

Maybe HSV will after their loss on the project.........

At the end of the day, it's gotta be a profitable exercise, otherwise senior GM management will be handing out profilactics and getting lots of people to touch their toes !!!!!!!!!!!

Some companys will accept a (comparitivly) small loss to build the brand.Look at the Bugatti Veyron,apperently they lose millions on each car,but everyone is talking about it.

4Vman · 27-06-2007, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by apolloxbgt

Some companys will accept a (comparitivly) small loss to build the brand.Look at the Bugatti Veyron,apperently they lose millions on each car,but everyone is talking about it.

I seriously doubt a car company with only 2 models would deliberatly loose millions on one of their models "just so people talk about them"...

The shareholders meeting would be interesting:

"hey, i know we lost tens of millions of dollars this year but look on the bright side, at least people are talking about us!"

Whitey-AMG · 27-06-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I seriously doubt a car company with only 2 models would deliberatly loose millions on one of their models "just so people talk about them"...

The shareholders meeting would be interesting:

"hey, i know we lost tens of millions of dollars this year but look on the bright side, at least people are talking about us!"

Damned straight.........the only people talking would be senior bean counters about which model they're going to rape to claw back the losses.

HOON69 · 27-06-2007, 10:26 PM

Falcon Freak · 27-06-2007, 10:30 PM

For all you doubters it will happen.

FF

**Polyal** · 27-06-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

For all you doubters it will happen.

FF

Im not doubting its existence, just its purpose. There has to be a hidden agenda, makes no sense releasing it, and then limiting numbers. Export? Future option? etc

Ives · 27-06-2007, 10:32 PM

Have you ask a permission to post those scans from ACP magazines?

Falcon Freak · 27-06-2007, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Im not doubting its existence, just its purpose. There has to be a hidden agenda, makes no sense releasing it, and then limiting numbers. Export? Future option? etc

Purpose? To creat a new benchmark for HSV. A model which will be easily the fastest Australian built car and be an instant collectable. Is that enough purpose for you? I wish FPV would do similar.

FF

HOON69 · 27-06-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ives

Have you ask a permission to post those scans from ACP magazines?

who are you? ,my mother
go away!

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and i didnt get them, so i couldn't give 2 flying dump trucks where they come from :P

schnoods · 27-06-2007, 10:47 PM

HRT 427 revived!!

I see it as a good thing, i just hope we'll see the envelope pushed further rather than stagnate.