Fastest (un-opened) XR6T in AUST - Page 2

Craig · 13-05-2007, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gurujosh

Might be a stupid question but how exectly can you make a XR6T go harder without adding more boost?
When you add boost you need stronger valve springs..If your gunna be that anal with saying valve springs then there should be different classes for guys who changed diff gears or do work to the gearbox as thats a performance issue,not a reliability issue

That's the whole issue in our racing world, there are no rules you can say and do as you please. Until there are such rules in place like in say ANDRA drag racing and scrutineered by people who know the game until then it's run what you brung.......

ratter · 13-05-2007, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gurujosh

Might be a stupid question but how exectly can you make a XR6T go harder without adding more boost?
When you add boost you need stronger valve springs..If your gunna be that anal with saying valve springs then there should be different classes for guys who changed diff gears or do work to the gearbox as thats a performance issue,not a reliability issue

For starters we are talking motors, not driveline

Turbo guys have it a lot easier to get power from their standard motors than N/A guys, it's a fact of life and we all accept it.
But when somebody says stock motor or unopened motor, it should be exactly that, unopened.
There are specifically no rules to say that that is the way it is needed to race, but it normally a description of the motors condition and then consumers can see which tuners or which mods work better on a standard motor.
If somebody wants to run X amount of boost good on them and good luck to them, but if they start changing internals to acheive it, it is not unopened anymore. Why not allow them to run better pistons, rods etc, where do you draw the line?

It's a great time, no doubt about it, but the motor has been modified to allow more boost, which they are allowed to do, it's just been opened to do it.

SpoolMan · 13-05-2007, 10:49 PM

BF seem to hold for up to 330/340 rwkw, some are running 400+ rwkw with factory springs.
The poor old BA XR6T got a raw deal, they need a change from around 270 rwkw.

XRQTR · 13-05-2007, 11:15 PM

^^^^^^^

And if they used BF springs it would not be an issue as then it could be seen as a reliability upgrade by using stock springs, albeit from a leter model, but still stock factory springs. By replacing with aftermarket springs it is undoubtedly performance over reliability.

And gurujosh, you don't necessarily need to manually up the boost to increase the performance of a turbo, free up the intake and exhaust just like any other car, the difference is that you feel it so much better in a T.

lotto · 14-05-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by XRQTR

^^^^^^^

And if they used BF springs it would not be an issue as then it could be seen as a reliability upgrade by using stock springs, albeit from a leter model, but still stock factory springs. By replacing with aftermarket springs it is undoubtedly performance over reliability.

And gurujosh, you don't necessarily need to manually up the boost to increase the performance of a turbo, free up the intake and exhaust just like any other car, the difference is that you feel it so much better in a T.

so if you burnout a cat converter-would you put a factory one back in or replace it with a better one,and when you need to replace spark plugs would you put the factory ones back in,or replace with better ones?its like anything ,not just cars,when you replace something ,why would you replace it with the sames if there is a better or m,ore advanced product out there??

the list could go on,and you could talk about any brand of car that has a part which is a weakness,whether it be suspension,body ,interior or engine you would always replace with better ,not in every instance because someone wants to go quicker!!

steriods are banned- but there are other performance enhancing products out there which still come in under the anti-doping system-so why would you take a panadol if you could take a special vitamin with a lot more positives??

cheers

XRQTR · 14-05-2007, 04:59 PM

Lotto, the claim was not about the exhaust system, if it had been claimed to be a stock exhaust I would have gone down that path even to the point of asking if the cat had been gutted or even on the car at the time.

I'm not trying to take anything away from the achievement made by the boys, I am simply asking for clarification on the terminology used in the description of the vehicle at the time the run was made.

Mate for all you know I may be looking to build the fastest and quickest F6 in the country so all I'm trying to do is understand what is and what isn't accepted as stock.

XRQTR · 14-05-2007, 05:15 PM

Oh ye and Lotto, and anyone else that wishes to keep arguing for that matter, the issue is with the title of the thread which claims an "un opened" title, I am simply trying to establish what is to be considered as un opened.

It was only last year that Chris from Bluepower got drilled about the fact that he had taken the covers off to have a play with the cams, he didn't replace them with better later model ones simply dialled them to his own spec, but to all that were "in the know" this was considered opened.

lotto · 14-05-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTR

^^^^^^^

And if they used BF springs it would not be an issue as then it could be seen as a reliability upgrade by using stock springs, albeit from a leter model, but still stock factory springs. By replacing with aftermarket springs it is undoubtedly performance over reliability.

And gurujosh, you don't necessarily need to manually up the boost to increase the performance of a turbo, free up the intake and exhaust just like any other car, the difference is that you feel it so much better in a T.

firstly i am not arguing,but your posts seem to contradict each other as the one i have attached above' opposses what you say below? so i think you are looking for an argument ,sorry you wont get one from me.

But i will say in response to your first post that a lot on non turbo owners have a jealous streak towards them,because with a few tweaks that you can get them going very quick as opposed to a xr8 which needs a lot more money spent!!

cheers mark.

XRQTR · 14-05-2007, 07:14 PM

How have I asked for an argument??.... actually forget it, if you can't understand what I am saying then I don't see the point in bashing my head against a brick wall any further.

ratter · 14-05-2007, 07:25 PM

I beleive XRQTR has a turbo car, it's just he accepts what is considered unopened is a motor that is unopened.

lotto · 14-05-2007, 08:05 PM

oh ok,fair enough mate

ratter · 14-05-2007, 08:21 PM

no worries mate

MYWPN · 15-05-2007, 04:38 PM

We have all been through the same arguments long ago about this issue and the on XR6turbo forum we have agreed that thje valve springs can be changed due to there weak nature and the Bf having stronger ones, congrats to C.V car for the time

CAMS290 · 18-05-2007, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by phase3ute

We have all been through the same arguments long ago about this issue and the on XR6turbo forum we have agreed that thje valve springs can be changed due to there weak nature and the Bf having stronger ones, congrats to C.V car for the time

I have a Boss290 that has oil pump gears as the only internal modification.

Oil pump gears do not help with performance like valve springs do, but unfortunatly my motor is classed as being opened.

There are no official rules like the LS1 boys classes, but generaly it is an honesty thing with us blokes that race these late model Fords.

Awesome time btw, very good achievement to all involved.

all4ford · 18-05-2007, 08:44 AM

Congrats on the fastest UN-OPENED xr6t in the country!! Valve springs is not opened. IMO and most people's mind who aren't jealous with envy, opened is changing pistons, valves, cam, doing port work etc.

ratter · 18-05-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by all4ford

Valve springs is not opened. .

Wow

You change valve springs on these motors without opening it up, are they external?

SpoolMan · 18-05-2007, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ratter

Wow

You change valve springs on these motors without opening it up, are they external?

Like the LS1.com.au the xr6turbo.com site boys have agreed that BA valve spring change is un-opened for this category.
Technically yes there opened, for the purpose of making the BA and BF an even playing field they are classified un-opened.
No point in debating this, its there rules same as LS1 the boys.
This is all another thread back to the car and its awesome time.

MYWPN · 18-05-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

Like the LS1.com.au the xr6turbo.com site boys have agreed that BA valve spring change is un-opened for this category.
Technically yes there opened, for the purpose of making the BA and BF an even playing field they are classified un-opened.
No point in debating this, its there rules same as LS1 the boys.
This is all another thread back to the car and its awesome time.

Spot on

SpoolMan · 19-05-2007, 12:40 PM

Posts have been edited, any posts that doesn't relate to the 1st post in this thread will be removed.
We all drive the same brand, leave the banter for the red team..