Sorry to bring this up again

[4.9 EF Futura]

Some of us just enjoy it. Actually, some of us love it. I have no desire to quit.

[fiery]

Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Some of us just enjoy it. Actually, some of us love it. I have no desire to quit.

I know exactly what you are saying.. but I guess I have to admit since quitting, I have felt better... and food/drink tastes different...
I did only give up for one reason and it was because I refuse to pay out $16 for a packet of stuff Im burning........ crazy to me..
but hey, I dont begrudge anyone that can afford to continue to smoke..
just come stand by me a little closer (ahhhhhhh mmmmmmmmm niceeeeeeeeee) :evilsasmo e

I know I am going to get past the stage of wanting one, and then I will probably become one of 'those' reformed smokers carrying on about the smell etc.....but I hope I dont do that to people...

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by fiery

I dont begrudge anyone that can afford to continue to smoke..
just come stand by me a little closer (ahhhhhhh mmmmmmmmm niceeeeeeeeee) :evilsasmo e

Haha, lol. Thanks for being a good sport mate.

All respect to those who have given the habit up. Maybe one day i'll stop enjoying it and will want to give up - then i hope i can do so well.

[Professor Farnsworth]

I loved it too, was relaxing, enjoyable and seemingly purposeful, but as soon as i was told it was affecting my health, logic kicked in, hard.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Workhorse, you have described my point perfectly....
Edit
...Lol - and for the record, i am a smoker having a fantastic day. I probably should have disclosed that.

A smoker I see, so convincing you what you are doing effects others negatively is a moot point.

But it seems our elected representitives don't see things your way. And will continue to help you try and do the right thing.

No one is saying you have to stop smoking, but there may come a day when paying an ever increasing pecentage of your income to a multinational and the government gets too much.
Or finding a designated smoking area just becomes too much bother.
Or a tiny bit of the mountian of evidence that smoking is harming you and those around you gets through.
Or you may just start to wheeze during sex, that was the killer fo me.

Fifteen years a smoker I never really believed I would die from it, as if, and hey I was right(so far).
And yes I loved it and enjoyed it, that's why I kept doing it!

I have not smoked for ten years now and I miss nothing about it. I now realise the enjoyment I got from it was just a simple nicotine addiction.

I wouldn't try and lecture anyone now, no one could me when I smoked. Smokers need to want to stop for their own reasons and I support any measures to help them find that reason.

I honestly hope all you smoker find it soon, for all our sakes.

[efgiar]

hi, my names josh, and i smoke *tear*

smoking isnt good for you, but it isnt bad for the government, not sure about health insurance etc but the governmesnt get somthing like 80-85 cents out of each dollar when somone sells a packet of smokes. smokers pay ALOT of tax on somthing thats bad for them but in return, we (the smokers) put our health at risk, to pay a big part of the taxes for public schools, new roads, government funded projects and health insurance that the government covers... flappist im sorry to hear about your father but there is no need to get angry when somone has an opinion that differs yours.

[Olympus]

I went from quitting cold turkey to being addicted to wild turkey.

[[Tonko]]

Originally Posted by fiery

How can any of you expect our poor governing bodies to pay for simple silly things like fixing our roads, or making our health system workable...

yeah they all get priority health care and dont have to drive on any country roads, i bet their drivers earn more than me..... (yes im employed)

[RAREV8]

There might well be intelligent people who smoke but it is the stupidest ИИИИing thing they do.


I smoked for years and fairly heavily too- I quit using hypnotherapy which simply allows the unconcious mind to be a little more open to change.

I am not going to preach at all but I am very glad I quit and when you quit, don't think that you are giving up something that you love, because you will hold it against yourself and will fall back in to the habit much more easily.

Convincing yourself that you have got rid of something appauling, expensive and to no personal gain will make you quit with a relieved smile on your face.

I was the bloke who was convinced that he loved smoking and would never quit.......... :togo:

[Sourbastard]

the stupedest thing i did was marry my first wife, you want impact on quality of life? that will do the trick. frankly i couldnt give a toss about cigarettes, i cant even afford them right now even if I wanted them.

there are more important things to care about then what others do with their lungs.
Oh no 10 cents out of my tax might go towards a cancer ward?! Quick someone call a lawyer! I feel my rights as a non smoker are being trampled on! What do I care if private health cover is more expensive due to smokers. I couldnt even afford private health cover even if it was 10 bucks a month!

[Bucknaked]

Just heard that yesterday Dana Reeve dies from Lung Cancer. Apparently being an entertainer, she worked in pubs and clubs. She never smoked a cigarette in her life.

You guys can chalk that one up for smokers rights. Fight so hard to protect your right to smoke where and when you want. Smokers Rights 1. Workers Rights 0

[Psycho Chicken]

We're treating something that Spoonman said as gospel? The guy is an idiot. Probably a chain smoker!

[FJ20ET]

Ive smoked for years,I hate it.I try to starve myself of cigarettes all the time but I'm ИИИИ weak and cant seem to give up.

IMHO I wish they would just make them illegal.

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

Just heard that yesterday Dana Reeve dies from Lung Cancer. Apparently being an entertainer, she worked in pubs and clubs. She never smoked a cigarette in her life.

Well that evidence is simply impossible to dispute huh.... and there's absolutely no chance that cancerous cells can develop without exposure to foreign substances right?

Or shall i assume that you assume that the cancer developed as a result of second hand smoke? Not denying its possible - not denying it may be likely - but one should use caution when putting things forward as a statement of fact.

[FordFan86]

I can't be bothered reading the thread... but in my opinion
Smoking is a weakness.
It's normally the lower class/less intelligent that do it.
I do know several rich & smart people who do it.
This is more of an educated opinion.. I work in a service station and cigs are 2nd main thng to sell...
It's the ones with missing teeth and who ИИИИИ at the prices being $1.50 more than at the supermarket that need help.

[outback_ute]

Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/public-...rticle3p92.htm

I don't see how this article supports your argument:
"increased tax revenues by $3,647 million"
"Total tangible costs $7,487 million"

Leaving aside the intangible costs (loss of life) of $13.5bn...

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by outback_ute

I don't see how this article supports your argument:
"increased tax revenues by $3,647 million"
"Total tangible costs $7,487 million"

Leaving aside the intangible costs (loss of life) of $13.5bn...

$1.5b resources used in production. How does a cigarette company buying input materials harm the community? They're simply saying this money could have been spent elsewhere... which is a moot point... because what else is a tobacco company supposed to do with its money if it's not buying materials to make smokes with? Build schools? Not likely.

$5.0b in lost production. Someone dies or is permanantly disabled as a result of smoking and they are no longer able to produce anything. This is what i meant by an opportunity cost. The fact that it is quoted as a net figure reflects the fact you no longer have to pay someone a wage when they are dead (apologies if this sounds harsh). This represents $5billion of "value" which was not added to the economy. It's not a direct cost... its an opportunity cost... and didnt actually cost anyone anything...

So from the $7.5billion tangible costs, i would remove $6.5b of these - as they do not represent a direct cost to the community. They represent money that either could have been spent elsewhere... or money that never came into existence... they dont affect the bottom line of anyone's budget.

[uglybob]

4.9 EF - why can't you just go off & die somewhere? go smoke yourself to death elsewhere!

:P

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by uglybob

4.9 EF - why can't you just go off & die somewhere? go smoke yourself to death elsewhere!

:P

Lol. Only 50% of this bar is non smoking fras

[outback_ute]

Fair call on the cigarette production issue, but I disagree on the "lost production" side of things. Without looking into how they got that figure, there are actual costs incurred here. If someone is in hospital being treated there is the cost of replacing them, sick pay, etc. Also lost pay for the employee - that is a cost to them, the report says 59% of cost is borne by individuals. Don't forget these are the cost to society as a whole, and if you have an income you are also spending money which is income for someone else.

[Van D]

Originally Posted by flappist

Do you think that Albert Einstien was aware of the research into the medical conditions caused by smoking? Probably not as it was done after he died.
Do you really think that he would still smoke now if he was? (and was still alive of course)
My father is confined to a wheelchair because he smoked all his life and it caused a stroke. This is one of the major reasons that I do not smoke.

Now if you believe that based on the abundence of data showing the effects smoking is crap then go for your life.
But to me an INTELLIGENT person, once aware on this would NOT smoke.

And no you are right Albert Einstein wasn't is the same intellegence league as me nor anyone else on this forum but rvrn as one of the most clever men in history he did make the odd mistake didn't he..........

There's also being studies that show occasional pipe smokers live longer than non smokers.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by popinfresh

There's also being studies that show occasional pipe smokers live longer than non smokers.

There have been studies that showed the earth was flat...........

[Van D]

Originally Posted by flappist

There have been studies that showed the earth was flat...........

Which were proven wrong. These havn't yet as far as I know (as of last year).

[XAGSV8]

Originally Posted by outback_ute

Fair call on the cigarette production issue, but I disagree on the "lost production" side of things. Without looking into how they got that figure, there are actual costs incurred here. If someone is in hospital being treated there is the cost of replacing them, sick pay, etc. Also lost pay for the employee - that is a cost to them, the report says 59% of cost is borne by individuals. Don't forget these are the cost to society as a whole, and if you have an income you are also spending money which is income for someone else.

Not to mention all the breaks smokers have to feed their addiction which is lost productivity. It is proven that a non-smoker is a much more efficient worker.

Read somewhere once that every cigarette smoked takes 6 minutes of your life.

[clontarf_x]

People smoke because they can, People smoke becasue they feel it relaxes them, People smoke because their friends do and People smoke because its an addictive drug.

Nuff said

[Laminge]

I dont think we can bash / or insult each other further on this subject