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I also disagree that this RC was politically motivated, my recollection is that our pollies (both NSW state Liberal & Federal Labor) resisted calls for the RC until the very last moment when it just became too big to ignore and people across Australia were howling for some sort of action. FWIW, despite being an athiest, I'm not at all antagonistic towards people of religion. I was educated at a Catholic school and I adored the parish priest attached to the school. A kinder and more genuine person you would never meet. However, I am highly critical of the Catholic Church and other organisations for the way they have managed (and continue to manage) cases of child sexual abuse.
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Apparently Rolf was voted as one of Australia's 100 most trusted people in a recent poll published by Readers Digest Australia......
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As a '50 something' I find the whole thing extremely disappointing.
In the 60's and 70's we all watched him on the various television programs and he was the truly trusted and admired quintessential aussie that we were keen to call our own. Every kid knew the words to 'Jake the peg' and 'Tie me kangaroo down, sport' and all the rest. His programs were terrific family entertainment, however those memories are now irreversibly tainted with what has now transpired. I reckon I now know how the British public felt when the disgusting activities of Jimmy Savile came to light. The whole thing was a big lie - we were ripped off. I spent a number of years investigating paedophiles and the one common thread that seems to run through them all is their ability to gain the trust of their victims and families in order to achieve their objectives. I guess both these creeps were no different in that regard. There are certainly no winners in these matters, but ultimately it's a good thing that victims are willing to make a stand and bring these people to account for their actions. You let us down badly Mr Harris - more than you'll ever realise. Russ |
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I clearly said "There's a special corner of hell reserved for excrement like him." So what are you trying to imply? Or just being a ____?
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See that makes it even worse. Such a lot seems to have been known about his behaviour.
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Tie my kangaroo down sport, tie my kangaroo down!
Hopefully they be singing that in jail They may have the wrong guy though, it may have been Colonel Sanders, they look the same.....
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If he did it, fine, lock the scum up.
But does anyone else find it slightly worrying that a man can be locked up so easily forty years later for something over which there is literally no physical or scientific evidence, merely on the claims of someone else over what they allege happened...? Victims say they wait thirty or forty years for various reasons...but it does make a lot of people kind of doubt all the details and whether some are just jumping on the bandwagon for a bit of publicity... ![]() |
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When the claims are that age, they like to show 'trend' and they obviously could in this case
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Talk about scum bags, on the news today after saying that law suits will soon follow there is suddenly a lot more women coming out of the wood
work saying they were also assaulted. HA I think a lot want to get on the band wagon now to get some of his millions without doing the hard yard court sessions that some went through. get rid of them I say. If they did not have the guts to go to court like the others then too late get lost. I call them scum bags as well. |
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^^^ ITT victims are apparently scumbags? You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Not saying victims are scum bags. The late comers are probably fakers
that were not victims so they stayed out of the court system so they would not be exposed. Now the trial is over they want to add their names to the law suits and try to make some easy money. They should have to go through court like the others to prove they were victims as well and not just fakes trying to make a buck. That is my opinion. The real victims good on them and I hope they get their rewards as they went through the courts to get justice done. Not sitting back waiting for the verdict. |
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If it not such a problem, give me you addresses and I will pop around and do it to your wife/girlfriend/(over 18yo old) daughters, I am a 57 year old bloke, so it will be OK - trust me (as I shake my head in disbelief)
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^^Victim shaming. It's a lot harder to come forward than you would think.
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Needed a punch in the face if you ask me.
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That's a very grey area Focusfan. What about the ones who did speak out but were not allowed to testify or were deemed poor witnesses or prejudicial to the defences' case etc., what about them?
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FWIW, My wife told me today that he will be sentenced as per the laws at the time of the offences.
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As for you Trevor, feel free to come round and do that and, like I said, it will be dealt with immediately as it should be not 30 years later. The woman who were assault by this scummy ***** were let down by themselves for not coming forward, by previous woman who didn't come forward and all the pathetic spineless bystanders who knew it was happening and stood idly by. I hope everyone involved feels a bit of blame for this matter and that's taken on board by those watching it in the media. If you see this crap happening come forward immediately regardless of who the person may be, don't wait 30 years so countless more people can be harassed.
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The only person they were let down by is Rolf.
Coming forward as an assault victim is not easy Nova 8. And what's your definition of sexual assault, because we're I'm standing, it's any unwanted sexual attention, so an **** slap is classified as such. It may not mean much to you, but it does to a lot of people.
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I almost lost my job a few years ago for reporting sexual assault in the work force cause the woman said nothing happeneds due to fear of losing her job even though I saw different. If it wasn't for another woman coming forward saying she got harassed too I would have been fired. If it was reported the first time it could have save the other from getting assaulted. So yes, if you see someone doing crap like this and say nothing YOU are letting them down and all those to come. As for me saying it was just a slap on the ****, you can't apply the level of political correctness we have today, our current way of thinking is totally different and it was more culturally accepted back then, inappropriate in my mind but still.
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Best to stay quiet (you know, better to stay silent and be thought a fool than speak out and remove all doubt). Find out someone in your family has been abused (as I have) and you may then understand why it can take decades for courage to overtake shame. I assume you are ignorant of the issue and that is the only reason I have been so polite, I completely despise your view, based on my own experience.
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Invading someone's personal space isn't about political correctness, it's about respect.
That fear that woman spoke about is why a lot of people don't report assaults of many natures. There was a girl who was gang raped in 2010, the charges against 2 of the defendants were dropped, because she was "too drunk to give credible evidence". Yep. There are reasons people don't report these things. And there were reasons people didn't report these things 30-40 years ago. Like you said, if a guy walked into the cop shop to report a smack on the **** as sexual assault, he'd get laughed out of the station. Thing is, women STILL get ignored and blamed for their assaults, it's a psychological thing. Additionally, if you victim blame (which you're doing, while on another hand, you're stating if someone did this to your wife, it would be dealt with because it's unacceptable in your mind), you give perps more power. "If only I'd been reported, I would have stopped." No. If only you weren't a douche bag. On top of this, if you pay attention to what's happening, what someone is willing to do in public is a small taste of what they'll do when there are no prying eyes. So to dismiss someone's complaint of legitimate assault, because it's too "politically correct" in your eyes, is ignoring an underlying issue. As for your scenario, if you had lost your job for reporting sexual assault, you could have sued your workplace. Additionally, nothing can be done as long as the complainant refuses to make a statement or press charges (unless, of course, they are a minor, then the onus is on the parents), so for all you know, bystanders HAD reported it, but nothing was done because complainants had not come forward. Rolf is the perp, he is to blame, and he is the ONLY person who has let anyone down. Not other victims, not bystanders. Rolf.
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He is receiving his punishment and hopefully will die in prison but people need to be told to come forward being under the mindset that "if I say something and the victem doesn't agree nothing will happen so it's pointless anyway" is terrible. If you know this crap is happening you should say something or do something. If you witness someone getting touched inappropriately and do nothing you are part to blame for the next person touched. Not legally but morally how could you not do anything.
And yes, I know the legal system often lets people down and am currently experiencing this myself in court right now. But that's life and it's always better to act than to do nothing.
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Police handled it really well but the guys lawyer abused the crap out of my sister on the stand during cross examination saying nasty things and she lost her nerve and bit back. Case was thrown out, witness screwed up and guy got off on a technicality. But that particular guy has been in court 3 times now for rape charges and since my sister came out with it, word has spread around and his other victims are also coming forward and he is back in court again. If you've seen what rape and sexual assault does to people, its very hard for them to come forward and come out publically. Its not pleasant for the person, and they tend to suffer with PTSD. You wouldn't wish it on your worst enemy. Anyone who comes forward should be commended. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 02-07-2014 at 08:15 PM. |
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But as you yourself have stated - this was a different time, so it was deemed acceptable or not something that wouldn't be taken seriously (ie: women making complaints and getting laughed out - which happened in those days and still does). I find it very telling that you are, in some ways, excusing his behaviour towards grown women (butt slapping/pinching etc, not the more serious stuff) due to the differences of the times, and yet at the same time condemning these women/bystanders for not coming forward at the same time. If the times deemed it frowned upon, yet not charge worthy, then why would the women feel the need to come forward? Do not ever blame a victim, under any circumstances. you don't know what they're going through, and, as many have already stated, through personal experience, it's extremely difficult to come forward about these things. The trauma it can leave you with is immense, and the struggle to actually go down to the cops, relive it, then relive it during trial is excruciatingly daunting.
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