Buying Austrailan made - Page 3

Pis-ton broke · 08-11-2011, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by z80

Really can't see the problem.

We all want our kids to go to university and get "decent" jobs dont we?

nothing wrong with good honest work my friend. Do you look down at a man that is doing a less important job than you?

ozzy products = ozzy jobs.

irish2 · 08-11-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by z80

Whats the big deal with stuff made in China?

If you think about it every thing a chinese consumer buys is made from local labour and imported raw materials.

The raw materials is from that foreign country called Australia.

So...when you buy something from China chances are you are just buying back the raw materials we sold them, and they probably used the australian coal to make the electricity that powered the factory as well.

Really can't see the problem.

We all want our kids to go to university and get "decent" jobs dont we?

When was the last time anyone aspired to have their kids work on the production line at Fords?

So who pays for all of the lost taxes? Manufacturing is far bigger in terms of employment than mining. We can't keep digging stuff up forever.

If you are an environmentalist (which I'm not) it is also inefficient to send something half way around the world, and then get it sent back. It was probably also made using environmentally damaging chemicals which are yet to be outlawed in 3rd world countries. Farming in these nations also consists of buring forrest for every new crop. Hardly sustainable.

GREGL · 08-11-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by z80

Whats the big deal with stuff made in China?

If you think about it every thing a chinese consumer buys is made from local labour and imported raw materials.

The raw materials is from that foreign country called Australia.

So...when you buy something from China chances are you are just buying back the raw materials we sold them, and they probably used the australian coal to make the electricity that powered the factory as well.

Really can't see the problem.

We all want our kids to go to university and get "decent" jobs dont we?

When was the last time anyone aspired to have their kids work on the production line at Fords?

This a new one , an elitist on AFF. Shouldn't you be posting in the lexus forum or the like. In actual fact your wrong, send em' to T.A.F.E . The wages tradies are getting these days are nothing to sneeze at. Plus they don't have to spend all their earnings on chivas to keep up with the Dr. jones, XXXX will do.

z80 · 09-11-2011, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

We can't be a nation of doctors and lawyers either. It takes all kinds to make a society. My parents aspired for their children to be happy and healthy irregardless of where they worked.

So tell me, what job title makes people worthy of you?

Yeah right...as long as they are happy and healthy and only working part time cause they have no qualifications cause the parents let them do subjects at school like drama and macrame instead of maths and physics.

No problems...the chinese kids will get the engineering design jobs and the aussie kids can do the process work on the line...

Seems like a great future as long as they are healthy and happy....for now, while the chinese keep buying iron and coal.

z80 · 09-11-2011, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

nothing wrong with good honest work my friend. Do you look down at a man that is doing a less important job than you?

ozzy products = ozzy jobs.

Honest work is honest work...as long as you have work that is....

What's your point ?

z80 · 09-11-2011, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GREGL

This a new one , an elitist on AFF. Shouldn't you be posting in the lexus forum or the like. .

You sir, are trolling.

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Originally Posted by GREGL

In actual fact your wrong, send em' to T.A.F.E . The wages tradies are getting these days are nothing to sneeze at. .

Wages? who wants wages?

Theres more to life than being a slave to a boss mate.

If my kids go to TAFE its to do a trade where they can start their own business.

flappist · 09-11-2011, 12:17 AM

Keep it civil........

Lotte · 09-11-2011, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by z80

You sir, are trolling.

Wages? who wants wages?

Theres more to life than being a slave to a boss mate.

If my kids go to TAFE its to do a trade where they can start their own business.

So you're saying going to uni means you won't be a slave for a boss? Got news for you, and it's gonna be a shock: As an engineer I get paid a salary, which includes "necessary overtime". That overtime could be anything from 2 hours a week to 20.

Oh, and I did music in yr 12, so don't start that **** about how the arts get you nowhere.

Gobes32 · 09-11-2011, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by z80

Yeah right...as long as they are happy and healthy and only working part time cause they have no qualifications cause the parents let them do subjects at school like drama and macrame instead of maths and physics.

No problems...the chinese kids will get the engineering design jobs and the aussie kids can do the process work on the line...

Seems like a great future as long as they are healthy and happy....for now, while the chinese keep buying iron and coal.

That is a terrible attitude to bring to a public forum, you may not see it but it reeks of "elitism" and it won't go well in a forum such as this that is geared to the working class per se.

I do not agree with you that every Australian child must go to university, my wife, who is in recruitment, will vouch that the professional sector has been hit hard in the last few years. India spits out 50000 engineers a year and 9/10ths of them remain unemployed long after university.

302 XC · 09-11-2011, 10:04 AM

Ah the good ole aussie made discussions
When fruit and vegies are made off shore,imported including all costs and on sold cheaper than it can be made here,no wonder we look off shore
Less strict quarantine,cheaper labour i get that , but the bottom line is what the customer has to pay
When aussie made steel is cheaper to buy via an off shore company than from the country its made in ,yep its sent off shore then comes back !!!
It makes ya really wonder about the place
When we as a country have to import workers because we have a huge amount of no hopers who wont work , ya just gotta shake ya head
Ill support as many local businesses as i can , baker, butcher,fruito no chance its rubbish,by direct from a grower if i can , but due to increasing demand on land thats near a dying thing

It all boils down to money

Gobes32 · 09-11-2011, 12:24 PM

I don't understand why we need to import workers? What jobs are they filling? If it's local jobs then rest assured my partner has told me on numerous occasions that now is not a good time to be looking for work. Full time jobs do not exist and everything is on a contract these days. And if they are being imported for our mining industry, then why can't aussies have the jobs? Going by the mining thread there are plenty of people who want to work but can't get a start, so what gives?

z80 · 09-11-2011, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lotski

So you're saying going to uni means you won't be a slave for a boss? .

Where did I say that?

Enlighten me?

irish2 · 09-11-2011, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by z80

Yeah right...as long as they are happy and healthy and only working part time cause they have no qualifications cause the parents let them do subjects at school like drama and macrame instead of maths and physics.

No problems...the chinese kids will get the engineering design jobs and the aussie kids can do the process work on the line...

Seems like a great future as long as they are healthy and happy....for now, while the chinese keep buying iron and coal.

What does race have to do with earning a living?

z80 · 09-11-2011, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by irish2

What does race have to do with earning a living?

Why have race in your forum alias?

irish2 · 09-11-2011, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by z80

Why have race in your forum alias?

It is my heritage not my race. I am a white anglo celtic. We are all tax payers when working in Australia, so I do not understand your generalisation.

geckoGT · 09-11-2011, 09:41 PM

Lets keep it civil and get back on topic.

Lotte · 09-11-2011, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by z80

Where did I say that?

Enlighten me?

Where someone mentioned tradies getting decent wages, and you replied with:

"Wages? who wants wages?

Theres more to life than being a slave to a boss mate.

If my kids go to TAFE its to do a trade where they can start their own business."

This implies, with your other posts about kids going to uni, that they WON'T be a slave to a boss. Which is hilarious. You also seem to be planning out a future for your kids, but then rewording it, to back track.

The ONLY reason I went to uni was the rest of the family, not my parents, not my grandparents and not my siblings. It was every other meddling ***** thinking that "all the kids should go to uni". My grades have gone from in the top 80% of the state, to barely a credit average, because, I didn't want to be there. I wanted to do something entirely different. But no, to shut the uncles and aunts up, I went off and did engineering instead of becoming a mechanic.

Half of my mates are earning more money as tradies, than I will be in my first graduate year (and I work as a sstudent engineer now), and they don't have a 30k HECS debt hanging over their head. They can go home at 3/4/5 every day, andnot worry about work. Meanwhile I pull 14 hours shifts just to push a project through, take work home in my head and don't get sleep because of everything else. Who do you think is happier? Not me. Who do you think has a house deposit saved up? Not me. Who do you think still has all their friends and socialising time? Yeah... not me.

There's nothing wrong with wanting the best for your kids. But when the best means you think anything less is beneath you, which (which your posts read as) clearly your priorities are wrong. There's a reason I kept my tradie mates, and only have a select few uni mates. The elitism that comes with that bit of paper. Oh it's there. Anyone that denies it has their head in the sand.

Oh and if people want to claim that process workers for ford and any other manufacturing plant are lazy, I suggest you go to a plant and get a tour. They're not. They're damn hard workers and earn the shoddy wage they get.

irish2 · 09-11-2011, 10:00 PM

Very well put lotski. I am a tradesman and out earn every person I know who went to uni. Some even have PHD's to go with their massive HECS debt. I'm sure eventually many will out earn me, but the simple fact that some earn less than half what I earn will mean they will take a while to catch up. My missus is a uni educated professional and she hates the fact I earn more in one week with no overtime, than she does in a fortnight.

Lotte · 09-11-2011, 10:04 PM

Cheers Irish. Don't get me wrong, once I climb that ladder (which I now feel obliged to do), I'll be earning more than my mechanic other half (that's how badly I wanted to be a wrench monkey, I now compensate by dating one), buy a lot. But I'll be pulling the hours and working for a massive global company to do so.
Where I am now, as a trainee engineer, I'd be lucky to hit 80k in 5 years. In fact, I think I'd have to be win the lotto lucky.

geckoGT · 09-11-2011, 11:11 PM

And this has what to do with buying Australian made? Let's get back on track thanks.

Lotte · 10-11-2011, 08:32 AM

Apologies mate, only just saw your post above mine.