Sick to death of some of the disrespectfull youth these days !

[paule11]

Originally Posted by arlester

Exactly and i understand that now but when I try to explain that I cop the whole: ahhhh you don't know what your on about. It's very very sad

They are just a little unenlightened give them 12 years they will look at what you ahve got and think if only they drank half as much

[arlester]

Yes but if they listened now it wouldn't take 12 years of their life (And that is the part where they are setting up the rest of their life). If only we could show all of these guys that they will be better off.

[Tuddy200]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

There is a world of difference between "hitting" and a smack on the backside, i don't think anyone here would condone hitting a child.

I agree. I consider the cane, belt and object other then a parent's hand to be labelled "hitting". I'd always have the fear that if I gave one of my children the belt across the backside, I could strike them somewhere that could leave them injuried for the rest of thier lives, even paraliyzed.

No one, not even doctors would have the skill set to avoid that, and that is why I just disagree with it. A smack on the backside is OK, I'd still feel uneasy but. Just look at all the cases out thier over the years of people dying from being struck. You can kill someone from one fatel punch, and children are even more vunerable then adults.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a solution to fix these problem entirely, just my opinion from what I see both in my own childhood and that of the children both my grandparents and parents look after once they enter the "child protection" cycle, which is soo many they are extreamly short of carers.

[FalconXR6]

You should have reversed over the top of them.
You wouldn't have any regrets.
Trust me...

[Smoke Pursuit]

What is with these scats hanging around McDonalds carparks late at night. My local one is full of these heros lately... I cant beleive the management don't do something about it, but then again I guess they spend large amounts of money on food and crap therefore they are welcomed.

[Bobman]

I just read an article last night but can't find it online today about mothers letting their daughters as young as 10 get bras and Brazilians. Seriously, what kind of message is that sending?

[Fev]

Originally Posted by Bobman

I just read an article last night but can't find it online today about mothers letting their daughters as young as 10 get bras and Brazilians. Seriously, what kind of message is that sending?

That western Sydney mums are getting younger.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

There is a world of difference between "hitting" and a smack on the backside, i don't think anyone here would condone hitting a child.

Unless you grew up in the old day's , where if you stepped out of line your old man would pull you aside or take you out the back and give you an absolute flogging, and then you would learn what the word respect meant, to which many youth today have no clue about.
I believe we have become soft as a society and to leanent on today's youth.

[Fev]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Unless you grew up in the old day's , where if you stepped out of line your old man would pull you aside or take you out the back and give you an absolute flogging, and then you would learn what the word respect meant, to which many youth today have no clue about.
I believe we have become soft as a society and to leanent on today's youth.

Yep. I blame the PC crowd. Did you hear they tried to ban RED PENS at school about a year ago because it would make the child feel bad if they got a mistake..


THATS THE FREAKING POINT!!!

[onfire]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Unless you grew up in the old day's , where if you stepped out of line your old man would pull you aside or take you out the back and give you an absolute flogging, and then you would learn what the word respect meant, to which many youth today have no clue about.
I believe we have become soft as a society and to leanent on today's youth.

Thats fear, not respect.

With fear, comes the potential for resistance. You want a the kids to understand cause and effect and curb them from doing stupid things in the first place.

A similar point has been made with some drugs, if some drugs were legalized there wouldn't be the extent of the criminal activity, in the case of lesser drugs, like Cannabis. If kids today we'rent controlled under the strong arm of political correctness 95% of the time, breaking the more traditional rules and letting kids be kids might curb the obvious problems we're seeing.

Put it simply, lets say an on duty police man rode in your car 95% of the time, questioning everything, then for that 5% of the time he's not there, you'll no doubt spin the wheels, just because.

[XABEBAGT]

I'm an old bloke.
When I was a kid and broke a rule at home I got a flogging with a razor strop. Very few rules were broken after the first few times. All the kids had jobs at home and heaven help anyone who forgot their task or did not do it to a set standard. The police would pull us up late at night when we were walking home and give us a swift kick in the bum. We hurried home after the first few times. We called every male over 20 years old Sir and every female Mam. We respected our parents and our elders. We never swore in public and certainly not within earshoot of our parents or any other adult. Teachers told us we were stupid and they used red pen to mark our books. They threw chalk board dusters at us and clipped us over the back of the head with their hand. We got the cane from the principal if we were really naughty. We had foot races and not everybody came first. Second or third was okay and someone even came last. They knew they were a crook runner but they lived with it. The smart kids sat at the back of the class and the dumb ones down the front. Sitting down the front never killed anyone. I had a midnight curfew unless it was a special occasion even after I turned 21.

Every day I thank my parents for the love and guidance they gave me when I was growing up. I learned right from wrong, respect, how to work hard and how to live life to the full. I knew I wasn't the best at anything, but when I competed, I gave it 100%.

I feel for the youth of today. They have lost so much and they will end up with so little.
Cheers
Keith

[J.C.]

Originally Posted by XABEBAGT

I'm an old bloke.
When I was a kid and broke a rule at home I got a flogging with a razor strop. Very few rules were broken after the first few times. All the kids had jobs at home and heaven help anyone who forgot their task or did not do it to a set standard. The police would pull us up late at night when we were walking home and give us a swift kick in the bum. We hurried home after the first few times. We called every male over 20 years old Sir and every female Mam. We respected our parents and our elders. We never swore in public and certainly not within earshoot of our parents or any other adult. Teachers told us we were stupid and they used red pen to mark our books. They threw chalk board dusters at us and clipped us over the back of the head with their hand. We got the cane from the principal if we were really naughty. We had foot races and not everybody came first. Second or third was okay and someone even came last. They knew they were a crook runner but they lived with it. The smart kids sat at the back of the class and the dumb ones down the front. Sitting down the front never killed anyone. I had a midnight curfew unless it was a special occasion even after I turned 21.

Every day I thank my parents for the love and guidance they gave me when I was growing up. I learned right from wrong, respect, how to work hard and how to live life to the full. I knew I wasn't the best at anything, but when I competed, I gave it 100%.

I feel for the youth of today. They have lost so much and they will end up with so little.
Cheers
Keith

Yep. Can totally relate to the way you were bought up. I too were bought up in the same manner. We even had to remove our hats/caps before entering a room. Stand to attention with our hats over our chests on parade as the national anthem was played and the Australian flag was raised every Wednesday morning. If we talked on parade, we were shamed in front of the whole school by being dragged up to the front.
An adult came to the school room door, we all stood up and greeted him/her. When we spoke to a teacher, we removed our hats and friends of our parents were refered to as Mrs and Mr.
We too had jobs that needed to be done after school ..... and if they weren't, you copped it from the old man when he got home. If you managed to p!ss mum off enough, she'd be chasing your *** around the yard to give you what for. Over time, you learnt what was expected and acceptable. You never swore in front of your mother, sisters or family. That talk was only for the paddock and had to be left there. We worked hard from an early age (I was heading to the farm with my dad and brother when I was just 4 at 5.00am in the morning and returning home at 7.30 +pm) and we did what we were told. We did what the dad did. At 13yrs of age, lifting 50kg bags of urea into a fertilizer box/spreader were not a problem for me. It had to be done. That simple. We never had a sedan and on the farm we rode on the back of the ute with the dog if dad had a mate in the cabin with him. As children, we were seen and not heard. We learnt to shot, hunt, track, ride horses, brand cattle, drive cars, trucks, tractors, grow crows and plan ahead and lookout for dangers like snakes and crocs etc. It was second nature back then and don't regret any of it one bit. I thank my parents for it all.
Everything that I learnt at a young age came into it own when I was sixteen. the old man feel ill. Mum and the bro had to go to Brissy with him for treatment. I had to run the family farms. Cane had to be planted, crows watered. If it wasn't for the way I was raised, it wouldn't have been done. Wouldn't know what to do. The responsibility fell upon me and I didn't think twice cause I knew what had to be done. With help from the neighbouring farmers, it all got done........ but I was there doing what my old man had taught me and what the family expected, without question.

I'm now 38yrs of age, my old man along with the farms have long gone, but I miss that life alot as time moves on. The children of today have got the easy life now, but as time progresses and discipline lacks even more, they may find it hard ...... and we will be working longer to support them until we drop dead on the job. I hope I'm wrong.

[Stealth00]

Thanks XABEBAGT and J.C. top posts. Most of what you mention is sadly lacking in todays socitey and the world is worse off for it.

[NC1183]

I'm only 26, but I grew up along the same lines as J.C and XABEBAGT. I can't understand the way some of my mates talk to the parents or other elders.

There needs to be a massive "culture" change in this country and fast before it all turns even more crap, need to get rid of the cotton wool/bubble wrap society we're making.

[Ryan]

I'm still quite young (23), but I never acted like that at that age. I used to drink a fair bit when I was about 15-16, but I always done it responsibly, and my parents didn't mind aslong as they knew I was doing it in a safe place, and not roaming the streets.

My parents were always firm with me when I was younger. My younger brother is different to me. He would normally push the boundaries with my parents, but I just done what I was told, and very rarely back talked.

I see the way some teenagers act today, and it just amazes me that if I ever liked that I would've been taken to the wood shed. I remember a couple of years ago hearing something coming up the street from my house. I looked outside to see what it was, and it was a bunch of kids swearing, and carrying on. The thing is I reckon they would've been about 10, and they used all the Fs, Ss, Cs etc under the sun. It truely shocked me.

[XR6-VCT-2000]

Originally Posted by Stealth00

Thanks XABEBAGT and J.C. top posts. Most of what you mention is sadly lacking in todays socitey and the world is worse off for it.

Spot on fellas, I'm the same age as J.C and your upbringing sounds identical to mine !. If I would of gone as far to go into this much depth as you fellas, it would of been spot on to those comments. :

[Work Horse]

Similar discussions on the same topic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

[onfire]

I'm dealing with a fine example of today's youth at the moment. Comes from a local pest family, and it's getting to the point I've got to call the police every time he comes into my store.

Despite the constant threats towards my safety, I dare say he's some what harmless as a sole individual. But I shouldn't have to deal with these constant issues, authorities need to be tougher on repeat offenders such as these when rehabilitation isn't and doesn't work.

[J.C.]

Thought I'd drag this back to the front as there seems to be a similiar thread that this topic could easily tie in with.

Well. How did we all fair with the "Trick or Treat" door knocking last night hmmmmm?

We live in a small mining town where the majority of households earn a six figure income and the extent that the children and the parents go to is always a treat to see. The children age from kids being carried around by the old man up the teenage girls who take there young brothers and sisters around for the annual door knock to collect lollies and such. They too dress up for the occassion and get involved just to keep an eye on the youngens. The parents too wonder around with the kids for the same reason. To keep an eye on them.

The wife enjoys having the kids knock on the front door and announce their arrival in the expected fashion. TRICK OR TREAT. The outfits are great and they seem to be enjoying themselves so we do the usual and stock up on lollies etc and hand them out accordingly. After all, it's all about the kids isn't it?

So the night goes on and you get the door bell ringing so you hand out the candy and have the usual chat with the parents and "Oh your outfit looks fantastic" which draws out a beaming smile under the makeup covered faces of these innocent kids who reply with "thankyou and thanks for the lollies".. Anyway, the door bell ring on this one particular occassion and we anwser the door. Before me stood three boys about 14 15 yrs old, dressed in t-shirts, boardshorts and plungers carrying a bottle of coke. I was greeted with "Have you got any chocolate or lollies?". I thought to myself "Is this a holdup?".
I proceeded to ask them what are they doing to which they looked at one another smiling and replied "Trick or treating".
Now I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but I do have some idea of when I'm being had. My reply was along that lines of " You have to be kidding me! And what exactly are you all dressed up as?". They looked at each other again and shook their heads, shugged shoulders and out came the stupidest thing I had heard all week. "Ourselves".
Now these kids thought that was an honest and acceptable reply. Here they stood in my doorway of my family home BSing me for a lolly. I laughed at them then replied "I guess you don't need to dress up and carry a lolly bag like the rest of these kids. Your attitudes and lack of brains are scarey enough." to which the wife comes around and says "I'm not giving you lot any of the childrens good candy and you know why. Here, have a Freddo now scoot!". They actually had the hide to stand there, look at each other shocked, smiling one of those "I don't believe it! We actually pulled it off" kind of smiles ..... then turned and wanted to argue that they wanted more. As this point I sent them packing. The nerve of the rude little critters.

Look it was obvious that they were just taking the opportunity for free hand outs that was going on around the town. I saw them still wondering the streets after 10.00. I wondered if they were still sponging off the locals.

It disappoints me as these are what we as Australians are breeding and are prepared to accept. I hope things change .... for the better.

The hide of youth who have been given everything and earned nothing.

[Bobman]

Great post.

On the other side of things with regards to Halloween, I've seen a few kids get shattered by rude adults who open the door yelling obscenities and telling them that this isn't America, while the kids are just trying to have some fun. They go away crying and that really angers me, because the more they see that type of thing from their role models, the more they'll think that is acceptable behaviour themselves.

[onfire]

JC, it's not really a reflection of ' todays youth '.. it's just a couple of kids trying to get some free lollies.

[LowEL2XR8]

JC I had pretty much the same thing happen. 13 or 14 year olds on skate boards and BMXs skid up my driveway and ring the bell. 6 of them at the door and 4 more on the pathway for backup. Not dressed as anything. I just gave them the lollies and my god if they didn't all say 'thankyou'. I nearly fell over because I wasn't expecting it. Then they grabbed their bikes and skateboards and buggered off.

I wonder if the kids that just stand around and do bugger all, acting tough if we gave them respect first. I reckon they would be respectful back. Works for me. In my mind I think bad of them but when I open my mouth and be polite to them they are always polite back then I change my mind about them.

[Molloy]

A fair few of the youth 2day needs 2 neck up

[J.C.]

Originally Posted by onfire

JC, it's not really a reflection of ' todays youth '.. it's just a couple of kids trying to get some free lollies.

Oh of course it was.

After all, it was you that was standing in my doorway having to listen and take their abuse cause the little twits didn't get enough of what they came for. I didn't know them and I owed them nothing but a kick in the pants for speaking as they did in front of my wife.

No please, no thankyou.
Read my post. The first thing that came out of their mouths was "Have you got any chocolate or lollies?" If that isn't some reflection on society and how people bring up there children, I don't know what is. We have grown to accept this as the norm. I think it is just plain rude.

Simple manners cost nothing and generally make a lasting impression.

[grandpa_spec_F6]

I may only be 19 but I what I witnessed last night was beyond any realm of what I would consider normal. A 'boy' only a few years younger than myself screaming at his mother to "f-off you stupid c-". If I had ever even sworn at a parent by god.....

Was also at a Halloween party, when the police turned up due to a noise complaint, the first thing I hear is some drop kick mouthing off at them from the veranda, the usual dribble about donuts and the like, but seriously, grow up, I wouldn't have blamed them for shutting the party down at that point.

Honestly with the sheer 'charm' that seems to be oozing out of these kids, even though they may represent a minority (I hope), its certainly seems to stain the majority, I don't wonder why my age bracket cops so much flack.

Cars and computers are what have saved my sanity at times. Sure beats walking the streets tipping my effing bins at 11pm!

[hrdcor]

Read the thread. Amusing, interesting and a little shocking. The younger generation does indeed need an education in the word respect. I'm 22, been working as a bouncer for 3 years. Guess what? The younger gen is just following the shining path of darkness laid down by the overwhelming majority of adults. I would go as far to say that for every little S*** under 18 there are at least 2 over it. No word of a lie, what society in general deems acceptable in public is a disgrace and disrespect in all its forms is out of control.
Before taking mount on our high horse, a few older folks might want to take a look at how they treat young people, for example workers in low paying jobs, as witnessed many times on this forum alone. Or the obvious disdain that shines through at all ages for authority and elders in the community.
RESPECT is the operative word, and be that from, supposedly experienced adults, or those without a bunch of life experience, the youth of today, it is now a threatened ideal.
Each generation thinks it knows best and more than the one before it, all the old mistakes keep being repeated in all the newest ways.
Regards, Ray.

[XR6-VCT-2000]

So many good points made by everyone , and so true too !.
It realy makes me sad sometimes these days to see what we have come to.
I seem to get along with poeple 20+ years older than me better than I do people my own age , and I have the same morals as my friend 20+ years older than me, seems I should of been born in the early 50's instead of the early 70's !.

[jcat58]

To much americanism creeping into australian society today. plastered all over tv.everywhere you look its here.Do what your told as we were as kids.Dont terrorise the neighbours.Get a clip over the ear lug if you backchatted. coppers gave you a good kick up the backside and sent you home where the old man would give you a bit extra.As for the halloween 2 kids about 11 turned up at my place at 10.00pm looking for something.Too late to put the sprinkler on at the front door hehe.Starting to sound like a whinging old bugger.Better have a warm milk then off to bed.

[Fev]

While i understand what JC is talking about - i think he's being a bit uptight. Sure they didn't have the best manners but it's not like they are causing trouble or anything, and it's not like they insulted you or caused you any harm - it seems to me you've just decided to use a minor case of typical teenagers and blow it out of proportion.

[XR6-VCT-2000]

Originally Posted by Fev

While i understand what JC is talking about - i think he's being a bit uptight. Sure they didn't have the best manners but it's not like they are causing trouble or anything, and it's not like they insulted you or caused you any harm - it seems to me you've just decided to use a minor case of typical teenagers and blow it out of proportion.

It's a 50/50 situation imo (catch 22) , I totaly understand where JC is coming from !. Agression or no agression on the younger behalf , at least pay some respect.
I also understand that at least half of what the youth of today understand is taken from their parents up-bringing.

As with the' trick or treat ' etc etc, although it is an American celebration , Although I don't follow American celebrations, I see no harm in the kids having a bit of fun and actualy having something/an occasion to enjoy. But .... at least do it to the the tradition , make an effort and put a costume on and so forth!.
I had the same situation as JC , a heap of teenagers in boardshorts on scooters ringing the bell and saying "you got any lollies ?" ...
What the hell happened to dressing up and saying "trick or treat" , and even then / the last few years I have said 'trick' they are all ?????????????? (wtf ?)

So I say In a way , It's not all the kids faults all the time , some parents need to teach their kids some respect and traditions too ( no offence to those who do ! ).

My way to sum it up ...."It's a twisted world we live in these days !"