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THAT was amazing to see. So many times when Ford has done this the price people expected for the car DROPPED when the blue oval was revealed. This makes me feel good. Quote:
Of course the big question then is, will the top brass take a cut to the wages of their counterparts at those other competitors? I doubt it. It seems to me that Ford wants all the accolades of not going into bankruptcy but ALSO wants the same benefits that GM and Chrysler got for going through bankruptcy. We have used "Pattern Bargaining" for decades now, where it is taken for granted that the "other" two US companies will get a very similar deal so that no company is at a competitive disadvantage. Well, Ford is saying that since the UAW renegotiated contractual agreements with GM and Chrysler the UAW needs to provide the same concessions to them. Now, many of these concessions that were given to GM and Chrysler were REQUIREMENTS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT in order to keep these companies solvent. Ford and their workers were not subject to these government requirements, but because Ford did the honorable thing, by not declaring bankruptcy and took on their financial responsibilities, they seem to feel they are entitled to the benefits of going through the embarrassing and shameful act of bankruptcy anyways. Ford is not in the same boat as the other two companies. The boat that the other two companies are in aren't even in the same lake. This is like someone that has a steady job and a decent income stating that they still want welfare and food stamps. Needless to say, I am a little miffed. Steve
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If I have a steady job and my neighbour is on welfare he isn't my direct competitor in business. If I were Ford I would want what they had too.
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They are asking for even more than what the others have, in a very clever way.
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Ford Motor (F) has been the best performing S&P 500 stock since the 2008 election.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1715...n?source=yahoo
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=ajgRmYFJv8HA
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Thanks again Daniel, a very good read.
The bottom line, as I see it, is as follows; Debt Disadvantage Ford can use the money. Its debt load is larger than GM’s or Chrysler’s, whose debts were reduced in their restructurings. versus “The image of not going into bankruptcy is great,” said Spotts. “But they’re just making better cars now and that’s really the message that Mulally has to get out.”
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November sales for US Ford have fallen back to 2008 levels (~123k units), although Ford is confident first quarter sales next year will be up and intend increasing build numbers by 58%.
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If I had a vote for a successor to Mulally it would be Fields. He has successful experience running a car company (turning it around) and a large portion of Ford, and he was also the key contributor to the Way Forward plan. Basically, Mulally made it possible to accelerate the Plan that Fields drafted the majority of and make the gains built into the plan sooner.
I don't feel the others have the experience of running a company like Fields does. The others have specialized in portions of the business, and while they may be excellent in their departments I don't feel it means they can handle the all encompassing business of auto manufacturing. If I had to put my future in someone's hands, post Mulally, it would be Fields. Steve
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good to see Ford have a clear direction that can only lead to better and better cars.
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The Weight reductions are interesting !
An AWD Falcon won't be any lighter that's for sure - a FWD one though ? :togo: |
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Just back on October 31 Ford was saying that without the passage of the latest proposal on the contract by the UAW members that "Ford has said that it needs the further cuts from the UAW to avoid a cost disadvantage over the long term." http://www.autonews.com/article/2009...310319996/1200 I pointed that out in November, and how Ford had said they were "competitive" after the March union concessions. See how fast Ford has a competitive advantage now? Ok, now that that's off my chest, it is nice to see ambitious projects not only get announced, but also to know that they will get implemented. I know Ford has been using a lot of high strength steel in their vehicles in order to reduce weight and to increase safety. Steve
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I was confused when I read this a few days ago. The Volt will have an engine that only recharges the batteries. I am not aware of a vehicle being prototyped by Ford with this configuration. I know they are full bore on full electric only vehicles that will be plug-ins. I am still considering the 2011 electric Focus as a daily driver, being able to drive 100 miles on a single charge for about $1.50 USD.
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$40,000 for a crappy Volt.
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Things must have been pretty bad for the workers to give up guaranteed income for life for the survival of the company. One can only hope Ford executives value the sacrifices of it's loyal workers.
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40 grand to retire on
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In the US do they have superannuation, long service leave and a government pension like here in Australia?
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They do/did have a pension plan. I haven't found the latest, but here is the 2006 collective bargaining agreement facts issued for the 2007 negotiation:
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What there is for retirement in the US for a 30 year Ford worker, under normal circumstances, is a pension of about $2,500 - $3,000 a month, plus reduced healthcare benefits with more out of pocket costs for the retiree. After the retiree turns 65 (if retired before age 65) their retirement from Ford is reduced by the amount of government Social Security they are elligible for. That amount is based on their lifetime earnings. If they retired after the age of 65 then their retirement already includes the reduced amount of Social Security. So let's say they are elligbile for $1,000 Social Security a month (which is expected to run out of money in 20 - 40 years), then Ford keeps $1,000 each month from the retiree's pension. The retiree's pension is taxed just like any other income. Buy outs are as follows: STEP: (Special TERMINATION of Employment Program) Employees with at least one year of seniority. $50,000 lump sum, will be taxed at maximum rate before paid to employee (total of 41% tax). $25,000 New Vehicle Purchase voucher, will also be taxed before employee receives the voucher at maximum tax rate; $14,750 after taxes. Basic healthcare for 6 months. Sever all ties with Ford. SRI: (Special RETIREMENT Incentive) 30 or more years of service, or age 55 or older with 10 or more years, or age 65 or older with 1 or more years of service. $40,000 pre-tax for skilled trades employees (41% total rate) $20,000 pre-tax for production employees (41% total rate) $25,000 pre-tax New Vehicle Purchase voucher ($14,750 after taxes) Retiree would receive whatever retirement benefits they would normally be elligbile for. This is just an incentive to get them to retire. You can also take $20,000 pre-tax in leiu of the New Vehicle voucher, taxed at the same 41% rate. The feeling among the majority of Ford employees at our plant is that the company is looking to get rid of as many people as possible, even if it is too many. Then they can hire as many people at the $14/hr rate as possible. This is done without regard to the amount of training, experience, knowledge, and other benefits of a senior employee. Also, how will these $14/hr employees feel working next to someone doing the same, or slightly less debilitating job, for twice the money? Fresh, healthy bodies get put on the roughest jobs. The more senior employees already have carpal tunnel, artificial knees, shoulder surgery, and fused discs in their backs and necks from working the line for years. The amount of labor to build a vehicle at Ford was roughtly 7% the cost to build a vehicle. Now with more work being done with less employees, at less pay, and other costs savings related to labor such as work rules, reduced break times, elimination of performance and holiday bonuses, etc, let's say that the amount of labor in each vehicle goes down to 5%. Whew!!!! What a savings! Ford has done an amazing job at reducing operating costs. I have been amazed by what has been accompished, and relieved. Now I fear they are looking once again to get the HUGE savings for the company from the same 7% of the operations, even after it's been reduced to only 5%. Let's look at that other 95% of the operations again. Steve
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In your opinion are your collegues happy to be working the line, or do they accept that it's their lot? It may be that they're proud to work for Ford, or do many wish they could be employed in another type of work? I know there would be many and varied feelings among workers about such things, but if you could give us a bit of a clue as to what you see I'd appreciate it. GK
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Thanks for the informative post Steve.
What I meant though in general, ignoring Ford for a moment, is an employer in the US required to put away superannuation on behalf of the employee for their retirement? Also is there a long service leave for those that stay with a company for say 10years or more? Is social security the same as an old age pension? |
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Thank you for giving me the opportunity to elaborate on this subject. I will get this part out of the way right now. Yeah, within the population of about 1,700 employees at our plant, there is a percentage of people I would rather see not working there. Even 1% of that population is still 17 people. Yeah, there are some that don't need to be there, if you know what I mean. The majority of people working the line have pride in themselves, do a very good job, get things done, make sure things are right, and then go home. The fingers that catch in position, the knee that still doesn't need replacing yet (but hurts like a mother), the achy back, and the shoulder that doesn't have it's full range of motion anymore are part of the job. There is no getting around it, period. You would be surprised how many people on the line have college degrees. Some were earned before coming to Ford, some after coming to Ford. Some things I am told by these people is less mental/emotional pressure on the line makes it worth not being in the field of their degree. Some would have to do a lot of traveling in their selected field and that is rough on family life. Working at the plant they get to go home everyday. Some have earned degrees and left the company. There are also "Supermen" and "Superwomen" that throw themselves completely into the company. They take an extreme amount of pride in what they are doing and work to the total benefit of Ford. These people also have some of the most debilitating injuries. However, with this kind of work comes a different kind of mindset. One of the employees, upon the completion of his SECOND hip replacement surgery, brought in his first stainless steel hip and had a Toolmaker machine it into a putter for him to golf with. I know a woman in her mid 50's that had her knee replaced last year. I watched her hobble around in great pain for about 7 years on that knee. She was afraid to have the surgery and also be out of work for so long to recover. Her concern was both for making her bills on "medical" pay, and also for the people that would have to do her job while she was away. Now that she had it done and has recovered she didn't know what she waited so long for. Initially she wanted to wait until she was older so that hopefully the new knee would last until she died. I know a guy that was 42 years old and he had to run his hands under hot water every morning when he woke and have his wife work his fingers so that he could use them on his job. There are a number of employees that have no feeling in their hands due to carpal tunnel syndrome, even after surgery or surgeries. I know two guys that are having shoulder surgery (rotator cuff) over the Christmas holiday while we are down. I know 2 guys that got hit by forklifts. Both times it was the forklift operator's fault. There was also two women that were injured by forklifts. One had a large, steel basket of parts set down on the back of her ankles, the other was driven into on a corner where the forklift should have stopped. A 21 year old was killed at our plant in the early 1990's. He was being stupid though. He was one of that 1% I mentioned earlier. Fingers have been caught in machinery. Fingers have been left in machinery. My mother inlaw retired from the Cleveland Casting plant. She has 2 vertebra fused in her neck, arthritis in her back, and two bad knees. I worked on the line for 4 years before getting into skilled trades. In just those 4 years my thumbs were ruined by inserting "push-pins" into plastic panels. My thumbs would lock and I would be unable to bend them without "cracking" them very loudly as I forced them to bend. A few years later it got so bad that I would drop objects after picking them up from a work bench because my thumb would not exert the amount of force I thought I was using. They got better to where I wouldn't drop anything and also they would only lock up sometimes, but now that I am on the line again I have to crack my thumbs past the locking point 3 times every morning before they will work normally again. Through out the day they still lock open. Let it be said, nobody retires from working the line and is 100% for their age. Something is not going to work right, or something is going to hurt, or something will be operated on. But we look at it as par for the course. Miners have it worse than us yet they feel it is worth it, and the hazards are part of what they are paid for. Same for us, the pay helps these issues to be viewed as part of the job. This is why I would never do it for $14/hr. You can't take all this for that kind of pay. Steve
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Ford is required to put into Social Security an equal amount that the government withholds from my paycheck. The money from my paycheck and the money from Ford is to pay the people that are PRESENTLY on Social Security. If $100 is withheld from my pay for Social Security then Ford must also pay $100 into Social Security. Again, this money pays the people that already receive the Social Security benefit. SS is like a guaranteed government assistance during your retirement that began after the Great Depression of the early 1930's. Unfortunately, any over budget money that went into the program was robbed by Congress instead of leaving it in the program. It is now expected to be broke in 20 - 40 years. You can start collecting a reduced amount of your SS benefit at age 62. You are elligible for the full amount at 67. Funny thing is, when this was started back in the 1930's the average life expectancy of an American man was 65, and benefits began at age 65, so you were never expected to get it, if not for just a few years. The amount you are to receive is based on what your lifetime earnings were. It has nothing to do with how much you put into it because all the money you put into it was to pay the benefits of the people already receiving SS. My latest SS statement says if I retire at age 62 I will receive $1,510 a month. This would be starting in 2026. If I work until I am almost dead at age 67 I will receive $2,167 a month. I can also work until age 70 to get a benefit of $2,687 a month. These amounts would be deducted from my Ford pension. Also on this statement is this wonderful note: The law governing benefit amounts may change because, by 2041, the payroll taxes collected will be enough to pay only about 78% of the scheduled benefits. Well, at the rate that companies lay off people here and open training centers and huge office complexes in India and China, as well as other outsourcing and overseas manufacturing, I believe, like many politicians, that SS will be able to pay much less than 78% of the scheduled benefits, if any at all. What exactly would a "long service leave" be? Is this a leave of abscence where you are just gone from work for a long time, without pay, and able to return? Steve
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