Scottish independence referendum

[ford man xf]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Ahm ....

Australia is Independant and has been since 1901.

I'm assuming your referring to Federation?

[MarkAW]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Ahm ....

Australia is Independant and has been since 1901.

Ahm...

No we're not.

Whilst Australia is a soveriegn nation with borders, our actual head of state is Elizabeth II, constitutional monarch of Australia. What we gained in 1901 (Federation) was the right to self determination through our own government elected by the nation. This does not prohibit the monarch from interfering with our determination as was seen in 1975 when the Whitlam government was sacked by the Governor General (The Queens Representative).

In 1999 Australia was offered independance and like the Scots we turned it down. The difference here was instead of asking if we wanted independance which polling proved would have got the nod, we were constrained to answering would we accept a President elected by the Government. This question was always going to fail as the politicians always know that the public don't trust them to select a suitable President.

I am disapointed that the Scots didn't gain independance, maybe they could have had a system much like our with self determination rather than the full divorce. I toured Scotland some years ago and back then the resentment of the brits by the scots was very plain to see but the English were sucking the life (in taxes) out of them. I hope life gets better for them.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by MarkAW

In 1999 Australia was offered independance and like the Scots we turned it down. The difference here was instead of asking if we wanted independance which polling proved would have got the nod, we were constrained to answering would we accept a President elected by the Government. This question was always going to fail as the politicians always know that the public don't trust them to select a suitable President.

I was done deliberately to ensure the referendum failed.

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by MarkAW

I am disapointed that the Scots didn't gain independance

Why would you be disappointed, the majority of Scots didn't want independence.

Originally Posted by MarkAW

I toured Scotland some years ago and back then the resentment of the brits by the scots was very plain to see but the English were sucking the life (in taxes) out of them. I hope life gets better for them.

I have lived in England & Scotland, the Scots are no worse off than the English. In fact as a nation I would say they are substantially better off than England, smaller population, awesome countryside, less jihadists, better golf courses.

Those voting Yes had a very simplistic view of life after independence, they would have been up **** creek without a paddle imo.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by MarkAW

Ahm...

No we're not.

Whilst Australia is a soveriegn nation with borders, our actual head of state is Elizabeth II, constitutional monarch of Australia. What we gained in 1901 (Federation) was the right to self determination through our own government elected by the nation. This does not prohibit the monarch from interfering with our determination as was seen in 1975 when the Whitlam government was sacked by the Governor General (The Queens Representative).

In 1999 Australia was offered independance and like the Scots we turned it down. The difference here was instead of asking if we wanted independance which polling proved would have got the nod, we were constrained to answering would we accept a President elected by the Government. This question was always going to fail as the politicians always know that the public don't trust them to select a suitable President.

I am disapointed that the Scots didn't gain independance, maybe they could have had a system much like our with self determination rather than the full divorce. I toured Scotland some years ago and back then the resentment of the brits by the scots was very plain to see but the English were sucking the life (in taxes) out of them. I hope life gets better for them.

The Governor General was doing his job, regardless of our Queen.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by MarkAW

Ahm...

No we're not.

Whilst Australia is a soveriegn nation with borders, our actual head of state is Elizabeth II, constitutional monarch of Australia. What we gained in 1901 (Federation) was the right to self determination through our own government elected by the nation. This does not prohibit the monarch from interfering with our determination as was seen in 1975 when the Whitlam government was sacked by the Governor General (The Queens Representative).

In 1999 Australia was offered independance and like the Scots we turned it down. The difference here was instead of asking if we wanted independance which polling proved would have got the nod, we were constrained to answering would we accept a President elected by the Government. This question was always going to fail as the politicians always know that the public don't trust them to select a suitable President.

I am disapointed that the Scots didn't gain independance, maybe they could have had a system much like our with self determination rather than the full divorce. I toured Scotland some years ago and back then the resentment of the brits by the scots was very plain to see but the English were sucking the life (in taxes) out of them. I hope life gets better for them.

You're wrong.

Australia is Independant of the UK, it just so happens we have the same head of state.

The UK parliament has no say in our affairs and we have our own constitution.

You are confusing being Independant and being a republic, they are mutually exclusive.

[mik]

Originally Posted by ford man xf

And Australia going "independant" wouId change what exactly? I have never understood the arguments for an Australian republic?

I used to think being independant would be a good thing for Australia,
I'm not so sure now, and if you look back at our political history , there are quite a few questionable goings on over the years, laws changed without due process, if i remember correctly our coat of arms was changed illegaly and the wording of our constitution also changed which might sound like no big deal, but it goes back to what's really legal in our government.

[marty351]

I'd like to know of a good example of when a country has gained any benefit from becoming a republic. The U.S. and the decleration of independence is one, but was written over 200 years ago and would never be used in a modern constitution for the personal freedoms it contains. In Ausrtalia we have 2 rights- to a trial by jury and freedom of religion. (and powers that be want to get rid of trial by jury), so where does that leave a new republic constitution?
Better the devil you know.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by marty351

I'd like to know of a good example of when a country has gained any benefit from becoming a republic. The U.S. and the decleration of independence is one, but was written over 200 years ago and would never be used in a modern constitution for the personal freedoms it contains. In Ausrtalia we have 2 rights- to a trial by jury and freedom of religion. (and powers that be want to get rid of trial by jury), so where does that leave a new republic constitution?
Better the devil you know.

They also want to get rid of religion. that just shows how miss led they are, but there are many so called religions today and sadly the main ones are falling apart with the hopeless PC trash.

We are going down the path of what Russia was, and Putin says what blind moronic fools we in UK, USA and Australia are, Russia has just come out of the septic tank and we in the west are on the path of going into a septic tank.

Funny thing is that every failed thing Europe has did we have to experiment with the same stupidity.

Political Correctness is the work of Satan, it's evil and just down right just stupid nonsense.

I think the Scottish people have always looked down on the pommy as does the Welsh and the Irish for good reasons but nowadays I think it's better to be united just as us Aussie should remain united with the mother land. but then again the Queen is to old now and has given up and let her minders take control it all, so it's heading down the popularity path just like that foolish idiot moron Di, just pathetic and hopeless trash. where is Opria

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by castellan

They also want to get rid of religion. that just shows how miss led they are, but there are many so called religions today and sadly the main ones are falling apart with the hopeless PC trash.

We are going down the path of what Russia was, and Putin says what blind moronic fools we in UK, USA and Australia are, Russia has just come out of the septic tank and we in the west are on the path of going into a septic tank.

Funny thing is that every failed thing Europe has did we have to experiment with the same stupidity.

Political Correctness is the work of Satan, it's evil and just down right just stupid nonsense.

I think the Scottish people have always looked down on the pommy as does the Welsh and the Irish for good reasons but nowadays I think it's better to be united just as us Aussie should remain united with the mother land. but then again the Queen is to old now and has given up and let her minders take control it all, so it's heading down the popularity path just like that foolish idiot moron Di, just pathetic and hopeless trash. where is Opria

Freedom from religion is a great thing, keep it out of politics.
Or else we can become like those nutty yanks..

Russia is America mark II now, a class of super rich in control and the rest plebs.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by MethodX

Freedom from religion is a great thing, keep it out of politics.
Or else we can become like those nutty yanks..

Russia is America mark II now, a class of super rich in control and the rest plebs.

Politics is just what ? Without foundations ?

Our nations heritage was it only prospered due to it's Christian values as the foundations have to do with our political foundations. if you take that away then you just have a dictatorship, Communism or some other rag tag narrow minded short sighted foolishness.

Political Correctness might save us all ? as how many people nowadays object to it's lofty position now controlling our politics our schools and work place with total vengeance on all who oppose it's filth.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by castellan

Politics is just what ? Without foundations ?

Our nations heritage was it only prospered due to it's Christian values as the foundations have to do with our political foundations. if you take that away then you just have a dictatorship, Communism or some other rag tag narrow minded short sighted foolishness.

Political Correctness might save us all ? as how many people nowadays object to it's lofty position now controlling our politics our schools and work place with total vengeance on all who oppose it's filth.

I suspect "values" have been around a lot longer than current religions, but you are certainly welcome to your opinion.

[cheap]

I feel sorry for the English as they are once again disenfranchised!

The English should have been allowed to vote if they want to get rid of Scotland. It would have been an overwhelming yes vote.

Thankfully the Scottish people could see through the BS of independence, they were being steered towards being a big loyalist/socialist failure.

[BHDOGS]

Bit of Stockholm syndrome at work.

[Maka]

The current political / military machinations in Ukraine, Middle East, Asia (China, Japan etc) could've actually helped the Scottish Independence NO vote. If the timing of the referendum was in more peaceful times maybe the result might have been closer? Long bow?

cheers, Maka

[BHDOGS]

Nopes hes right first came god then jesus then man then values early cave men didnt have any values at all ofcourse if your religious there is no cave man? so i guess ahhh this hurts my head.

[Syndrome]

Unionists in Scotland behaving like unionists in Ireland.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...george-4290949

[BHDOGS]

It is rather amusing 45percent of them voted against being part of the uk didnt they learn **** all from ireland all you need is 10 percent to take up arms to be independent and welcome to ireland 2. Its lunacy to suggest that a minority should live up the yolk of a ten percent majority rule. Especially with how much England has been ******* scotland.

[BHDOGS]

independent of what tho instead of one person telling us what to do we get to choose between two groups of people who arnt different ruled by a system which is heavy slanted towards them ever been unelected telling us what to do democracy especially two party democracy has to be one of the greatest cons of man.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

independent of what tho instead of one person telling us what to do we get to choose between two groups of people who arnt different ruled by a system which is heavy slanted towards them ever been unelected telling us what to do democracy especially two party democracy has to be one of the greatest cons of man.

You're free to start another party.

Go on then ....

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

independent of what tho instead of one person telling us what to do we get to choose between two groups of people who arnt different ruled by a system which is heavy slanted towards them ever been unelected telling us what to do democracy especially two party democracy has to be one of the greatest cons of man.

Your answer or solution to a better system!!!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by trublu

Your answer or solution to a better system!!!

An evil dictatorship lead by me.

It will be better for me but I don't know about you guys

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

An evil dictatorship lead by me.

It will be better for me but I don't know about you guys

Dictatorships, fascism , feudalism, communism, capitalism etc. are all good for the ruling elite.

[bungarra]

[QUOTE=Big Damo;5218325]An evil dictatorship lead by me.

It will be better for me but I don't know about you guys :yelrotfl

What can I say but....

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

An evil dictatorship lead by me.

It will be better for me but I don't know about you guys

If you are any thing like that avatar of yours God help us.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by trublu

If you are any thing like that avatar of yours God help us.

Nah man, last time that guy sold any furniture was probably 1989 .

[castellan]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

An evil dictatorship lead by me.

It will be better for me but I don't know about you guys

I don't know if truly it would be that good to be a dictator once you become one. unless you were mental, well that would have to help to start with.

Does anyone know of a dictator you would of liked to be ?

One would have to be a nut to want to be even a PM for a start, in my books.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by castellan

Does anyone know of a dictator you would of liked to be ?

Colonel Sanders

[castellan]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

independent of what tho instead of one person telling us what to do we get to choose between two groups of people who arnt different ruled by a system which is heavy slanted towards them ever been unelected telling us what to do democracy especially two party democracy has to be one of the greatest cons of man.

I understand where you are coming from bro, but lets hope the Scots get something out of all this for the future, maybe a stronger state like powers.

I would vote for a free Queensland tomorrow as we can look after ourselves with out any halfwit from Canberra swallowing our money like it's no tomorrow and feeding all them fat cats, as all we need is a small central gov powers not the big bro dictating to us.

[BHDOGS]

Ah the catch cry of the democracy defenders it's all so easy start a party spend millions like Clive get elected and change the country why the system is so easy hahahha