new anti smoking add- see the whole face with the teeth.

[gthofan]

hey guys, i just saw a new anti smoking add on tv. everyone knows the image of the teeth on cigarette packets, well now you can see the rest of the face in the tv commercial.

i have to say, its one of the most disturbing things ive ever seen, and believe it shouldnt continue.

what are your thoughts?

cheers
scott

[dansedgli]

The real world is too much for me too. Shut it off.

[iCat]

this sort of thing really gives me the shits. i'm an ex-smoker, but i believe if you want to smoke, that's your business. it's legal, there's enough around to educate you as to it's pitfalls, and if you can afford it well so be it. give me some clean air to breath and i'm happy for you to smoke all you like. i'm not interested in the anti-smoking lobby shoving this crap at me through the media. keep it to the packets, aimed directly at the people involved.
: sorry!!

[Force6]

Originally Posted by iCat

this sort of thing really gives me the shits. i'm an ex-smoker, but i believe if you want to smoke, that's your business. it's legal, there's enough around to educate you as to it's pitfalls, and if you can afford it well so be it. give me some clean air to breath and i'm happy for you to smoke all you like. i'm not interested in the anti-smoking lobby shoving this crap at me through the media. keep it to the packets, aimed directly at the people involved.
: sorry!!

It's not just about attitudes now. It's about attitudes about smoking in future generations. Smoking doesn't just effect a smoker, if they develop a sickness, or die, or if it's bad enough it becomes a financial problem, it impacts upon their whole circle of friends and their family. Don't you think it's something human society as a whole doesn't need?

[GXL078]

: Smoking is a disgusting, filthy, disturbing habit and should be banned outright.It does absolutely no good to anyone whether it is their choice or right or whatever they are ****** in every way. The government just keeps raising the taxes to make more money out of the addicts who can least afford it.
50 years ago I could understand it, because it was glamourised, now days there is no excuse its just a pathetic thing to do to yourself and your money. I have never experienced the "pleasure" of it, so I probably don't know what i'm missing. A friend of my wife smokes and she has a little baby girl and smoked 40 a day right through her pregnancy, which is just ****** in the extreme. I can tell when she has been over as the smell lingers, even though whe doesn't smoke in the house. The baby reeks of smoke as well.

[RG]

To the people sooking about them who is FORCING you to watch these ads? No one is, if you don't like it don't look at it. NOT HARD!

[MITCHAY]

/Lights up another smoke.

If smoking cost the government more than it earns them do you really think it wouldn't be banned?

As for the health arguements- I really could not care about longevity. I had an old lady who could barely walk come into my shop and thought "Why the **** would I want to live that long to be barely able to stand?" Hell I wouldn't want to live that long even if I could stand to be honest.

[05MkIIFutura]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

As for the health arguements- I really could not care about longevity. I had an old lady who could barely walk come into my shop and thought "Why the **** would I want to live that long to be barely able to stand?" Hell I wouldn't want to live that long even if I could stand to be honest.

The logic used by members on this forum continues to break through barriers I never knew existed. Bravo, bravo.........

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

/Lights up another smoke.

If smoking cost the government more than it earns them do you really think it wouldn't be banned?

Whom do you imagine is paying for the adds?

The government is offering tabacco growers in Nth Victoria huge cash incentives to not plant tabacco. The equivalent of what they would make for a whole season, to plant something else. The government will only payout if all the growers sign up.

The financial burden smokers place on the rest of the community far out ways the revenue raised by taxing smokers.

There's an argument the "government" (elected by everyone), should not be involved in trying to reduce the number of people who smoke. The government should not be involved in reducing the number of new smokers. That given the dangers of smoking have been discussed for a long time, our elected representives should not be involved in bring us the most up to date information in a format easily accessed by everyone. I can not agree with any of these arguments.

I'm an ex-smoker of 20 years. If people wish to smoke, knock yourself out.

But don't expect all of the 70% of people who don't smoke to remain silent.

Prohibition will not work, education is our best hope.

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

The financial burden smokers place on the rest of the community far out ways the revenue raised by taxing smokers.

Possibly. But the figures which contribute to the suggestion that smokers cost australians more than the 5 or so billion of tax revenue they generate have a huge component of "indirect" costs. A large portion of the "cost" is attributed to lost productivity or the loss of a member of the workforce and more importantly, the resources which are diverted to the production of tobacco products (i.e. what if that peter jackson factory was making childrens toys instead?). They also tack on the consumption of a deceased individual, which of course ignores the productivity of that person prior up until the point of disablement/death. These are not DIRECT costs which directly affect the government's bottom line, business' bottom line or a non-smoking indivdual's bottom line.

i.e. how does the $x of lost productivity from my likely early death as a result of smoking directly affect the financial position of anyone else on these forums?

The direct costs associated with smoking (predominantly anti smoking campagins, tobacco regulation and incurred healthcare expenses) are much much less than the billions of dollars in taxation revenue generated.



Read it from the government themselves

Notwithstanding the large public health costs associated with smoking, governments derive a large net budgetary benefit from the existence of smoking

In answer to:

Whom do you imagine is paying for the adds?

Well frankly, smokers are paying for them - and then a whole lot more.

But don't expect all of the 70% of people who don't smoke to remain silent.

I wouldnt dream of it. Just dont suggest that i am a direct burden to you. Because i am not.

Edir: Ooops - poor form on my behalf to omit this, source data :

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/C...98/98cib16.htm

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by xcgxl

50 years ago I could understand it, because it was glamourised, now days there is no excuse its just a pathetic thing to do to yourself and your money. I have never experienced the "pleasure" of it, so I probably don't know what i'm missing.

Lol, you worry about your body and your finances mate - i'll worry about mine.

[sgt_doofey]

I personally, as a non-smoker, look forward to the time when smoking is banned from pubs/clubs. Having been in California where is it banned, watching the Monday night NFL, it was funny to see the pub empty at half time as everyone went outside for a smoke, even the bartender!
Personally, I don't like getting home from the pub smelling of cigarette smoke, but I also realise that smokers have chosen their vice as well. I would like a smoke free pub, but currently we don't have those, so I'll put up with it for now.

[RG]

Originally Posted by sgt_doofey

I personally, as a non-smoker, look forward to the time when smoking is banned from pubs/clubs. Having been in California where is it banned, watching the Monday night NFL, it was funny to see the pub empty at half time as everyone went outside for a smoke, even the bartender!
Personally, I don't like getting home from the pub smelling of cigarette smoke, but I also realise that smokers have chosen their vice as well. I would like a smoke free pub, but currently we don't have those, so I'll put up with it for now.

I gotta disagree with you on that. Pubs and clubs should be the one place that smoking should never be banned. I mean what's next ban drinking in pubs, there has to be some freedom for those who choose to smoke. By the way i'm an ex-smoker.

[S3SR]

Originally Posted by RedXR347

I gotta disagree with you on that. Pubs and clubs should be the one place that smoking should never be banned. I mean what's next ban drinking in pubs, there has to be some freedom for those who choose to smoke. By the way i'm an ex-smoker.

bull f'n **** until now i was sick of going to clubs only to choke on smoke, i expect that from an old landcruiser with dirty injectors not at clubs, but most clubs made the outside area for smokers

[MITCHAY]

Well I can safely say I haven't noticed an overwhelming increase of patronage to clubs after these bans were introduced.

LOL more than half the club is outside having a smoke.

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by sgt_doofey

I personally, as a non-smoker, look forward to the time when smoking is banned from pubs/clubs. Having been in California where is it banned, watching the Monday night NFL, it was funny to see the pub empty at half time as everyone went outside for a smoke, even the bartender!
Personally, I don't like getting home from the pub smelling of cigarette smoke, but I also realise that smokers have chosen their vice as well. I would like a smoke free pub, but currently we don't have those, so I'll put up with it for now.

Frankly, i dont see the problem with smoke free pubs/clubs. The majority of people at the pub nowadays are non smokers - and the majority should rule. Its gonna suck for me personally, but fair is fair.

[GXL078]

Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Lol, you worry about your body and your finances mate - i'll worry about mine.

Well I hope you have private health insurance.

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by xcgxl

: Smoking is a disgusting, filthy, disturbing habit and should be banned outright.It does absolutely no good to anyone whether it is their choice or right or whatever they are ****** in every way. The government just keeps raising the taxes to make more money out of the addicts who can least afford it.
50 years ago I could understand it, because it was glamourised, now days there is no excuse its just a pathetic thing to do to yourself and your money. I have never experienced the "pleasure" of it, so I probably don't know what i'm missing. A friend of my wife smokes and she has a little baby girl and smoked 40 a day right through her pregnancy, which is just ****** in the extreme. I can tell when she has been over as the smell lingers, even though whe doesn't smoke in the house. The baby reeks of smoke as well.

I agree with the quotes 'disgusting, stench', and reference to the pregnancy (steralise the woman) comments, BUT what people do with their money is their business totally, not yours, not mine.

Some souls can affored to buy this rubbish, some will go without a bit of food to ensure the purchase of ciggies. People are people.

One day, I'd like to see ciggies banned. That will not happen for many years yet, at least a decade or two.

Anyhow, the pictures have little effect, a reverse 'up yours' outcome is recognised, 'defiance' if you will on the part of some smokers.

In future years we will see alcohol targetted the same way owing its gradual deterorating effects. See Outback Jacks recent post of the daily effects of this on native populations in NT.

But at some point, political correctness? has to stop.

[uranium_death]

Agreed.

If you don't like the commercial, turn away or change the channel.

Whenever the "Scope" commercial comes on the radio, I change it. That computerised voice just lies. We know. We dealt with them. Hopeless.

Anyway, too many smokers show total disregard for other's heath.

At Centro The Glen, in the entries there are signs which clearly state, "Smoking is banned in this location." Of course, that doesn't stop all those jerks from doing what they want, and walking through a cloud of smoke and feeling your lungs rot isn't particularly nice.

I look forward to the day when smoking is banned completely in public.

It's happened in Mossman now. Now, the rest of the country!

[Miller]

So we ban toddlers driving cars, but leave adds that non smokers have to put up with.

[gtfpv]

those adds are so real . they have to get actors with makeup . never ever seen a smoker look anything more than stained teeth . but i've seen many non smokers die from lung cancer .
ps . i'm a non smoker and cant see why anyone would smoke . but i think scare addsa are false . sure they increaese the risk . but non smokers get lung cancer too . and some smokers smoke and live long lives .
however . i don't recommend taking that gamble . it would be bad dyeing from lung cancer if you dont smoke . it would be bad and guilt ridden if you did smoke .

[XRchic]

I thought that ad had been out for ages.

None of those smoking ads bother me. They never bothered me when I smoked and they dont bother me now.

I gave up two years ago before I got pregnant with my son. Have not had one since. I would never smoke pregnant and I think they should be banned from smoking. I agree with certain smoking bans, but get real people, its not the only stupid thing we humans do and you cant ban everything that people do that impacts on others, you can only help reduce it.

If I go to a pub, I really couldnt care less if people smoke around me either, its my choice to be there and put up with it. I dont agree with people smoking in non smoking areas, that is just disrespectful.

But as a non smoker now, and an ex smoker, nothing gives me the shytes more than righteous, holier than thou people who have never smoked and who dont understand, who give smokers a big lecture. Those people have the right to express their opinion, disgust or whatever, but those people should not for one second think that their ranting and lack of understanding is going to help anyone give up, or help society in any way.

Back to the ads... I really dont care, I dont know what the fuss is about really and people who cant handle real life in their faces, then diddums to you.

[XRQTR]

if they only put half the effort into anti-drug campaigns, oh sorry they are still trying to figure out how to tax that

[XR6-VCT-2000]

Originally Posted by XRchic

I thought that ad had been out for ages.

None of those smoking ads bother me. They never bothered me when I smoked and they dont bother me now.

I gave up two years ago before I got pregnant with my son. Have not had one since. I would never smoke pregnant and I think they should be banned from smoking. I agree with certain smoking bans, but get real people, its not the only stupid thing we humans do and you cant ban everything that people do that impacts on others, you can only help reduce it.

If I go to a pub, I really couldnt care less if people smoke around me either, its my choice to be there and put up with it. I dont agree with people smoking in non smoking areas, that is just disrespectful.

But as a non smoker now, and an ex smoker, nothing gives me the shytes more than righteous, holier than thou people who have never smoked and who dont understand, who give smokers a big lecture. Those people have the right to express their opinion, disgust or whatever, but those people should not for one second think that their ranting and lack of understanding is going to help anyone give up, or help society in any way.

Back to the ads... I really dont care, I dont know what the fuss is about really and people who cant handle real life in their faces, then diddums to you.

Ex-smoker here too, spot on with the above ;) .

[Psycho Chicken]

Remember kids, prohibition works!

I hope none of you lot suggesting we ban smoking are the same mob that jumps up and down about politically correct whingers telling us how to run our lives.

[Conrad]

That ad has been out for over half a year

[mattp]

I think if the ads put some people off smoking, which research seems to indicate it does, then they're worth it. If it stops a 12 year old picking up a packet and smoking, better still. If you still choose to smoke, good for you, it doesn't bother me if I don't have to smell it. The new anti-smoking laws here in Queensland are great, the only thing is now you have to hold your breath as you walk through the entrance to shops/hospitals/stadiums as you pass through the smokers who are too inconsiderate to walk further away. It's your choice to smoke, but if I sat there and burned pieces of plastic and created noxious poisonous fumes for you and your children to breathe, how would that be any different? So by all means smoke away, just consider others who haven't made that choice, and thanks to those that are considerate. I'll see you at the hospital in a few years ;)

[GCFordChic]

Maybe it isn't all about current smokers but deterring potential future smokers...

[Van D]

Wow some people are lame.

Lets start putting photo's of splattered bodies around cliffs and say don't be stupid enough to do rock climbing, or perhaps we can flip down the sun visors in cars and find a nice picture of a motor accident scene.

A lot of my relatives have smoked all their lives, one has gotten cancer from it, the others just have bad all round health, stained teeth etc. Never seen anything like the stuff on the cig packs on a real person ever, whether related/friend etc. However I've lost someone in the family to a car accident.. I've also got an aunty in the alfred with brain damage who has no motor skills. The reason? She was drunk and depressed and jumped three stories.

Whoop de freakin do, people want to smoke, that's their choice, get over it. There's other dangerous or stupid activities we humans do, because we enjoy it and people don't give it a second thought.

Yeah effects of smoking need to be brought to attention, and I hate smokers that don't respect non-smokers in non smoking areas (or just aren't mindfull of others in general) but if they're not hurting you, why whinge so much? There's many other people who are in worse situations and DON'T want to be there that need help and attention IMO.

I'm not neccesarilly against the TV adds, but I prefer the packet campaign. You can look away from the TV, but if you buy a pack then it's right there in front of you anyway. I was at my friends house babysitting with her and her baby brother who is almost 3 saw one of the more 'shock factor' anti smoking adds and was kinda freaked out, didn't seem to like it (though he still likes to chew on empty cig packets from his step dad, lol).

For the record, I only smoke very occasionally, perhaps one night a month when I go out and feel like it when having a drink with mates, and I enjoy it, so i'm not going to stop..I like smoking and smelling the same tobacco (drum) that my grandfather used as it reminds me of him. I also enjoy pipe smoking on occasions and trying different fine tobacco's. Is it unhealthy? Yep, but I don't do it everyday (or hardly even every month), same as something like Macdonalds.

There you go, rip that to shreds.

[uranium_death]

Originally Posted by popinfresh

Too long to quote

I tend to agree to a point.
Some people will never quit, and that's their right.

But for me, the issue is that smoking is unhealthy and that passive smoke is also dangerous.

I do not want smoking to be banned, because that is impeding on people's rights, just like people are entitled to drink themselves stupid.

However, I support a ban of smoking in all indoor areas (except designated smoker areas which are no better than non-smoking areas) and entryways.

For me, people are free to smoke, just as long as they don't expose non-smokers to their toxins.