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Excuse my ignorance if this has already been touched upon but why on earth is there no Fairmont Ghia Turbo? Can anyone say VL Calais Turbo? Nearly twenty years later and these cars are still cult items ( Lets not get started on the fools that this car is still popular for ) The fact remains that surely there is a market for an inconspicous turbo sedan for 50k with a highish level of luxury? Engineering wise I could not imagine there is too many hassles?
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Yes There Is.
FPV Force 6 Correct me if i'm wrong but i believe it has the XR6T Engine |
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I reckon it'd a great idea. Can't be too hard to make one or two extra ECU/BEM/whatever types. I guess Ford reckon the leather option in the XR6T is enough. |
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The force is 70k and a rip off
![]() And it is based on the fpv turbo 6. The logic of a Ghia turbo is that it truly is a performance luxury model. And it is availabe as a territory? |
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Available on the territory. Typed too fast.
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FPV tells us there is a market for understated performance vehicles. The Force 6 still stands out like dogs nads. A turbo ghia has no body kit and that fabulous front end and sportish suspension.
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Might want to check the front end as there is a lot different there. |
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Sorry even better.
Same engine as the Typhoon |
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That was quick!!!!!!!!!!
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You can always just whack the typhoon motor into the fairmont.
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You guys miss the point of the question.
Screw the thinly disguised Typhoon they call "Force 6" try hard name anyway. Acosta 32 is suggesting a Fairmont with the XR6 Turbo engine. No XR front and rear. A Fairmont with a Turbo. I wish mine had it. Not everyonne has to parade what they have or need the attention, just want to enjoy it. I think Fords "Dumb Department" have missed the point - Again. Once again handing the market to Holden. |
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A manual fairmont ghia turbo. mmmm just maybe it'd be the car to win back some respect to ford that l so dearly need. l also dislike the now far too common xr front so the force 6 is out not to mention the price of the thing.
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So, if Ford made a manual turbo Ghia all you guys would each buy one?
A new one that is, not a 3rd hand 100,000km old one five years from now...... |
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Yes if fords attitude to after sales service and warranty fix up's has changed since the previous 2 new fords l wasted my hard earned on. |
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There is a market place for this car, the 3v just doesn't cut it against the LS2 Calias.
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I saw the Fairmont Ghia at the Motor show and absolutly loved it and all for $46k (very good price). A turbo variant would be what - about $51K? Hmm a lot cheaper than the rip off awkward looking Force 6.
If Ford made a Fairmont Ghia turbo for about $50K I would buy one in a heartbeat (as I am in car hunting mode at the moment) in black with ZF six speed auto. As it stands it looks like its down to a new WRX Club Spec 9 or a new Liberty GT. I don't want another XR6 (I want a change) but would gladly step into a Fairmont T due to the significant cosmetic differences. So there you go Ford you just lost a sale from being slack.
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The majority of people asking for this manual ghia turbo are not driving new cars. Ford sell NEW cars. The last factory manual ghia was the EA2. I know because I bought one. I held onto it for 250,000km because there was not anything I wanted to replace it. The eb/d/f ghias were auto and the XR range were to povvo as far as interior was concerned so I just waited. I asked repeatedly for a manual ghia and was told there was such a small market for it that it was not available. In the end I bought an EL because the wheels fell off the EA. Traditionally the ghia was fitted a higher performance 6 cylinder engine than the rest of the range other than, of course, the XR6. My AU ghia was fitted with the SVCT variant. Ford are not always stupid is their research and marketing. The XR6T and Territory are classic examples of determining a market need that no one else has covered. With the release of the BA, the GT-P was the first manual "pseudo ghia" as it was the only FPV fitted with all the ghia goodies like climate control etc as well as the FPV engine and accessories. I jumped at the idea. Manual sales make up a VERY small percentage of falcon sales. Most XR6T and XR8s are autos, even more now the ZF box is available. Almost all BF F6s are autos, manuals are VERY rare. To create another variant cost goes up. If there is a manual or turbo ghia then there are a squillion extra parts that need to be held as well as all the extra testing and training. Ford don't just bolt bits on. Every variant is tested exhastively for nigglies and problems and even then they can get bitten. Look at the BA2 F6 clutch event. An excellent system proven on the GT40 as strong and reliable fell apart on the T6 due to harmonics and vibrations. As far as the doesn't cut it against the LS2 calais, what has that got to do with anything. This really is not V8 supercars on the road. The Holden/Ford thing as quite artificial. The hardest thing to do in life is see from others points of view. If some of our members were is charge then the Falcon GTHO would have a 500kw V10 and be made of titanium, weigh 800kg and come factory fitted with a cage and wheelie bar. This would be the only model, but would come in wagon and ute variants and lots of stripes and colours. It would not sell well but would beat all Holdens over the 400m and the mutants would be able to dribble down the pub how back before they went broke, Ford made the fastest car in Australia...... The AU2 TS50 was a manual Ghia with a XR8 engine. It was not overly sucessful. The AU3 TS50 was more sporty and was the most sucessful of the TS series but most were auto. The point I am trying to make is that there is a bigger picture. Ford do a huge amount of research into model development and make what they think will sell in large enough numbers to make a profit. And that is why there is no manual ghia/wagon/futura/fairmont/fairlane/ltd or why there is no panelvan or dualcab falcon ute or 4WD ute etc etc etc... |
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I would like to see a Fairmont Ghia with the option of a Turbo I6. One of the things that I liked about the EL Fairmont Ghia was the fact it had a HP motor, even if it was 2kws less than XR6 and slightly sportier suspension. As the Turbo is a much bigger difference than the HP, should only be an option, for those that don't want one. I cannot see it being to hard in developing in relation to costs.
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Ford should be doing everything they can to get sales. They already have done all the R&D for a Turbo manual/auto Ghia. How? Technically its just a XR6T. The only difference is the front bumper, which would effect cooling, but thats easy to get around. As for the manual issue, the I6T + T56 combo is that good that in the last BFYB they have both versions in the same category; that says enough doesn't. I dont care about a GTHO, its not even needed, but when there are easy fixes for Fords somewhat aging line up then why the heck not do it.
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I apologize for starting a thread and taking so long to get back to it. A few people have ran away with the idea and i just want to clarify my initial idea. A turbo ghia would be exactly that, A BF Series 2 Fairmont Ghia with a turbo bolted on and applicable brake package. NO BODYKIT!!! For the love of god! I want an inconspicous ghia that smokes @&$@ heads in Commodores. They will never know what hit them. My second car was a VL Calais Turbo
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Give it different front end sheetmetal so it doesnt look like a territory, and stretch the wheelbase a bit to give it a decent ute space, but everything else would be straight from the Territory parts bin. Would they sell 1000 a month? I reckon they could. |
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being the owner of an AU ghia, i'd say yes. If they brought out a new turbo ghia in manual, with everything i'd expect from a ghia, my car would be for sale tomorrow, and i'd be harassing the bank on monday. People love luxury. I'd be sad to see the au go, but it'd be well worth it |
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I can't understand why there arn't turbo Fairlanes and LTDs on the market......
Did anone see this months Wheels mag which suggest that Ford is considering dropping the V8 engibe...again (remeber how successful that was in the 80's & 90's!!). |
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Force 6 inconspicuous
yeah right real subtle |
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No point having a Fairmont Ghia Turbo when the Force 6 is available. It costs slightly more than what a Fairmont Ghia Turbo would have cost (use the Turbo Territory Ghia as a guide at $65k+ORC), but has much better performance equipment levels (Bembro's, 19" wheels, body kit etc). The Force 6 should hold much better reasale being an FPV than the traditionally dismal used value performance of the Fairmonts.
For now you'll have to be content with optioning up the luxury pack on a manual or auto XR6T. Either that or get a VE 6.0 Calais V if you don't mine getting a Holden. ![]() Also for the record, the BF2 XR6T base engine is identical to the F6/Force 6 units. The extra power comes from the software and bolt on differences.
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Fairmont Ghia is $46k +ORC
A turbo varient would be around $50k + ORC. Force six is $70k +ORC and looks more like a F6 or GT than a Ghia. I wanted a Fairmont Ghia Turbo. Ford said they will never build it. Too hard. Marketing issues apparently. It would kill sales of the XR6T.. I wanted a car that looks exactly like a Fairmont Ghia. |
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