70km/h in 100km/h = accident?

OzJavelin · 19-07-2006, 08:10 AM

On way to work this morning came up behind two cars following a 180B doing 70km/h in 100km/h zone. First car behind (VR Commode) rounded him up first opportunity and went around .. bit too close to oncoming cars for my liking, but got thru OK. This left 180B, followed by 90s Rodeo, followed by me (SV8), followed by 80s Honda Accord

At the next passing opportunity, I checked Accord behind me, indicated, pulled out and punched the SV8. The guy in the Rodeo decided to pull out just as I approached the side of his ute. When I saw him move, I hit the brakes (I wasn't half way up his side), but the guy in the Accord behind me was so far up my clacker he almost hit me as I braked. Anyway the Rodeo driver realised I was beside him, weaved back in, so off I went .. with the Accord driver caning hell out of it to pass me too ..

All in all a bit scarey. Could have been 4-car pileup because:
1. Someone in a clapped out 180B won't do 100km/h in that speed zone on a dry, straight road.
2. Someone in a Rodeo won't look in rear vision mirrors before changing lanes
3. Someone in a Accord won't leave enough room between them and the car infront
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4. Someone(?!) in an SV8 likes to punch the accelerator to pass people, who may not be aware he is one the move ..

merlin · 19-07-2006, 08:34 AM

Look on the bright side...at least the 180b didn't speed up as everyone tried to pass it

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Paull · 19-07-2006, 08:38 AM

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Look on the bright side...at least the 180b didn't speed up as everyone tried to pass it

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I'd say it's a fair bat that the 180B could not have sped up being the POS that they are!!!

Bax · 19-07-2006, 08:41 AM

Yeah that kind of stuff irritates me, when you get a lineup and noone has the balls to overtake, its like they all seem happy to sit behind and do 70 until the next overtaking lane.

It's happened to me before, overtaking a car and a caravan and another caravan in a line, the second caravan decided he wanted to pull out.

And yeah, I'd say all 4 of your reasons could be right, but theres not much you could have done to avoided it.

HOON69 · 19-07-2006, 06:28 PM

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Yeah that kind of stuff irritates me, when you get a lineup and noone has the balls to overtake, its like they all seem happy to sit behind and do 70 until the next overtaking lane.

It's happened to me before, overtaking a car and a caravan and another caravan in a line, the second caravan decided he wanted to pull out.

And yeah, I'd say all 4 of your reasons could be right, but theres not much you could have done to avoided it.

never a truer word spoken.
they do do 100 (downhills)

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LTDHO · 19-07-2006, 10:25 AM

A car doing 70 in a hundred zone is as likely to cause an accident as a car doing 100 in a 70 zone. Unfortunatly people will never learn and slower doesn't mean safer.

The driver of the 180B should have gone an alternative route that suits his speed.

ED Classic · 19-07-2006, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

A car doing 70 in a hundred zone is as likely to cause an accident as a car doing 100 in a 70 zone. Unfortunatly people will never learn and slower doesn't mean safer.

The driver of the 180B should have gone an alternative route that suits his speed.

Agree 100%...Its highly dangerous driving.

Of course there response would be that they havent had an accident in X long but, The real question is how many have they caused? Not that they would no because they only think that they are they only ones on the road.

4.9 EF Futura · 19-07-2006, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

A car doing 70 in a hundred zone is as likely to cause an accident as a car doing 100 in a 70 zone. Unfortunatly people will never learn and slower doesn't mean safer.

The driver of the 180B should have gone an alternative route that suits his speed.

Yes - well put. It may be that this is the best vehicle the driver could afford, perhaps they were inexperienced and werent comfortable doing 100. Whatever the reason - i agree that the driver should have been searching for an alternate route.

I dont know what the law says, but i tolerate people doing, say, 20% under the limit... 80 in a 100... 65 in an 80, 50 in a 60... for whatever their reasons may be. 30%? Too dangerous. Ozjav's story here being a perfect example of what happends when the flow of traffic is impeded too far!

galaxy xr8 · 19-07-2006, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

A car doing 70 in a hundred zone is as likely to cause an accident as a car doing 100 in a 70 zone. Unfortunatly people will never learn and slower doesn't mean safer.

The driver of the 180B should have gone an alternative route that suits his speed.

And what would the alternative route be to suit their speed if they are all 100klm limited road's into town,????????.

LTDHO · 19-07-2006, 08:16 PM

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And what would the alternative route be to suit their speed if they are all 100klm limited road's into town,????????.

What town would that be?

goXF · 19-07-2006, 08:46 PM

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What town would that be?

Bendigo I believe.

LTDHO · 20-07-2006, 07:30 AM

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Bendigo I believe.

I haven't driven to Bendigo in ages so I'm not 100% sure.

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Could be any town really, you tell me a town that doesn't have 100klm limited road's leading into it, you said the driver should have found another route that more suited their speed, you tell me a town that has 70 klmh road's leading into it????????.

Melbourne has a 80kph road leading into it!

galaxy xr8 · 19-07-2006, 09:11 PM

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What town would that be?

Could be any town really, you tell me a town that doesn't have 100klm limited road's leading into it, you said the driver should have found another route that more suited their speed, you tell me a town that has 70 klmh road's leading into it????????.

bArNsY · 19-07-2006, 10:32 AM

I cut a bit of slack for cars that struggle to reach that speed or are carrying a heavy load, but there is no excuse for brand new cars traveling 70 in a 100 zone in dry straight roads.
However, this happens all the time when I go to work in Barwon Heads (Friggen tourists "OOOoo look there is the new 13th beach golf resort lets drop down to 70", mind you there are at least 6 cars behind them, and 30+ over summer)
Last year I passed 12 cars in one go, it doesn't take long to pass when they are all goin 70!

Quicklier · 19-07-2006, 01:04 PM

I had to double check this in the vicroads book-o-laws.

218. Using headlights on high-beam
(1) The driver of a vehicle must not use the vehicle’s headlights on high-beam, or
allow the vehicle’s headlights to be used on high-beam, if the driver is
driving—
(a) less than 200 metres behind a vehicle travelling in the same direction
as the driver; or
(b) less than 200 metres from an oncoming vehicle.
Penalty: 3 penalty units.
Note High-beam and oncoming vehicle are defined in the dictionary.
(2) However, if the driver is overtaking a vehicle, the driver may briefly switch the
headlights from low-beam to high-beam immediately before the driver begins
to overtake the vehicle.
Note Low-beam and overtake are defined in the dictionary.

So, you flick the high beams on whilst you're changing lanes, hopefully catching the Rodeo's drivers attention before passing safely. It's a funny rule, but a good one. Quite handy when passing trucks as one tried to push me off the Bolte Bridge in Melbourne a few years ago after trying to change lanes and push me under "Fast and Furious Style".

4.9 EF Futura · 19-07-2006, 01:58 PM

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So, you flick the high beams on whilst you're changing lanes, hopefully catching the Rodeo's drivers attention before passing safely. It's a funny rule, but a good one. Quite handy when passing trucks as one tried to push me off the Bolte Bridge in Melbourne a few years ago after trying to change lanes and push me under "Fast and Furious Style".

Hey does anyone employ this method? I know the rule has been on the books since day 1, but have never done it myself (people have been shot for flashing high beams lol).

Never read about it in the driver's handbook. Never heard it from an instructor. Never seen anyone do it (apart from trucks etc on freeway who flash to tell each other they're passing and when they're clear etc)

Sourbastard · 19-07-2006, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Hey does anyone employ this method? I know the rule has been on the books since day 1, but have never done it myself (people have been shot for flashing high beams lol).

Never read about it in the driver's handbook. Never heard it from an instructor. Never seen anyone do it (apart from trucks etc on freeway who flash to tell each other they're passing and when they're clear etc)

Ive done this on occasion, but only when passing more then one vehicle, or anyone with a trailer.

fangq · 19-07-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Hey does anyone employ this method? I know the rule has been on the books since day 1, but have never done it myself (people have been shot for flashing high beams lol).

Never read about it in the driver's handbook. Never heard it from an instructor. Never seen anyone do it (apart from trucks etc on freeway who flash to tell each other they're passing and when they're clear etc)

I do it routinely when overtaking " out bush ". A lot of it comes down to reading the situation when you are caught in one of those slow moving " will I won't I dear " lines of traffic. I tend to chew up a couple of cars at a time rather than do a hero run. Having said that, it still stuns me when manifestly inadequate vehicles try a balls out manouver that I wouldn't even contemplate in the T with premium brakes etc. For those old farts on the list , the quote from Hill Street Blues comes to mind " Be careful out there people "

Steve

GT290 · 23-07-2006, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Hey does anyone employ this method? I know the rule has been on the books since day 1, but have never done it myself (people have been shot for flashing high beams lol).

Never read about it in the driver's handbook. Never heard it from an instructor. Never seen anyone do it (apart from trucks etc on freeway who flash to tell each other they're passing and when they're clear etc)

Mate there are a few things that are not mentioned in hand books or road code for the purpose of safer driving habbits. It would help if people knew how to set their side mirrors pcorrectly so that they can see and that there is no blind spot. Most moter cyclists run of the road are due to the right hand mirrir incorectly postioned creating a blind spot to the right rear quater up to your periphial vision. Aperson should not have to turn their head round over the right shoulder, Taking your eyes from the vehicle in front is a bad thing even for a split second.
That light rule is a good one and one I will use now.

XRchic · 19-07-2006, 03:06 PM

Ive heard of that rule before.

Which state was the 180B in? I wouldnt have thought that old Dattos would get through roadworthies in Vic or NSW???

There is no reason why that car, in decent condition, shouldnt be able to do 100kmh anyway. I would say that, unless it was a complete POS and dying, it was the driver with the problem.

In which case they would be either too old and timid, too young/inexperienced and timid or just one of those personalities which are just timid. These sorts of people annoy me as they should not be on the road, and this is why. I dont abuse them, I just try and be patient and overtake them when possible. But they annoy me nonetheless.

I think especially young people need more training on their Ls on how to drive at those kinds of speeds - including overtaking, keeping left in multi lanes and maintaining those kinds of speeds safely. And significant hours doing it too.

Joes_meat · 19-07-2006, 03:30 PM

I've heard of a little old lady calling the police to make a report because someone flashed their high beams before passing and it "intimidated her."

**thefargo** · 19-07-2006, 07:42 PM

is 100km/hr the min speed limit or the max speed limit?

Barry_v · 19-07-2006, 08:12 PM

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is 100km/hr the min speed limit or the max speed limit?

well said.

jim1606 · 20-07-2006, 12:35 AM

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is 100km/hr the min speed limit or the max speed limit?

how fast is that in MPH?

**thefargo** · 20-07-2006, 01:22 PM

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how fast is that in MPH?

approx 60 mph
it's roughly 6/10 th for the conversion.

to be accurate it is 62.5 mph

jim1606 · 20-07-2006, 06:23 PM

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approx 60 mph
it's roughly 6/10 th for the conversion.

to be accurate it is 62.5 mph

and that is your max speed limit?

**Silver Ghia** · 20-07-2006, 08:14 PM

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and that is your max speed limit?

That is the normal speed limit on open roads, similar to your 'A' roads.
There are some designated freeways in Victoria that go up to 110 km/hr which is 68.4 mph.

However if you go even slightly over the 100 or 110 kph (68 mph) limit by 3 kmph (2mph), you are most likely to get fined by a speed camera . That is the stupidity we have over here. You are not even allowed to overtake safely!!

I know in England if you are going at 70mph on the motorways, you are one of the slowest cars and most are passing at a somewhat faster speed.

galaxy xr8 · 19-07-2006, 07:49 PM

Now hang on a minute, I know it may be annoying for driver's to sit on a lower speed than indicated but we don't know their posistion and reasoning for it, and really 70klm is allright, it's up to the driver's behind to wait PATIENTLY for a safe overtaking period, there is no law that state's a driver can not drive at 70klm in a 100klm zone, and I know it is annoying but we just have to learn to be patient, and Rod did you give the guy in the rodeo enough time to pass himself or did you just blast pass him, because really he had the right off way to pass the vehicle infront 1st, if you had off collided, I wouldn't like to be you trying to explain it to the cop's, with all the witness's there I think they would be looking at you causing the incident if it happened, we just have to learn to slow down and wait, and this seem's to be a bad road or time off day that you travel on because this is the 2nd or so bad post you've made about going to work.

OzJavelin · 20-07-2006, 07:45 AM

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Rod did you give the guy in the rodeo enough time to pass himself or did you just blast pass him, because really he had the right off way to pass the vehicle infront 1st

Yep .. I agree .. I was at fault too. I did wait for the Rodeo, but obviously not long enough. One of my points is that "performance" cars (SV8??) can accelerate faster than average and this confuses people. Typically when I pass I like to get around cars quickly and keep off the wrong side of the road.

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and this seem's to be a bad road or time off day that you travel on because this is the 2nd or so bad post you've made about going to work.

Yep .. it is. I'm learning this drive through the country can be somewhat dangerous. The main problem appears to be speed differencials. Half the drivers sit well below the speed limit and the other half sit dead on it (like me) or above. I used to drive to Tullamarine Airport at 6:30am from Riddells Creek along the "Romsey Rd" .. far more traffic but no real problems because EVERYONE sat on the speed limit. No one really got pizzed off ..

.. I'll try and keep my "experiences" to myself in the future

Rod.

DOC · 20-07-2006, 07:56 AM

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Yep .. it is. I'm learning this drive through the country can be somewhat dangerous. The main problem appears to be speed differencials. Half the drivers sit well below the speed limit and the other half sit dead on it (like me) or above.
.. I'll try and keep my "experiences" to myself ..

Having grown up in the country and spending most of my driving there ( early days ) i find the worst drivers are city drivers who rarley drive out back, they usually go like a bull at a gate , ie a bit of free room, they do similar as you describe are impatient to overtake and i have seen many people who have / nearly have accidents due to this and or they just plain come unstuck, because they are not used to the speed for long periods combined with the ( usually ) poor roads.