mundine/green - The conspiracy

Black XR6 · 18-05-2006, 05:39 PM

There is a rematch in the works and a foul smell is in the air(maybe thats just me).

Apparently green has been negotiating with subiaco for a year for the rematch. Planning well in advance for a rematch I think. Also, what value other than money is there for the rematch for mundine. He already has his world title shot. Why would he risk it by fighting green again? Also, mundine said straight after the fight that maybe we will do this again real soon, dosnt sound like the words of someone who just defeated his oponent and is looking at a world title fight preperation. And given the above about green negotiating for a melbourne rematch a year ago it seems the plans were set in stone long ago.

Also think of this. If green had of won the first bout, what value would there be in the rematch considering over half of australia wants to see mundine knocked out on the canvas. They have been building upto this match for 6 years. Thats a long time for fighters who dont agree to wait for a fight.

Maybe, just maybe they have built it up over a long period deliberatly in order to generate massive revenue, then the first fight mundine will win to keep interest in the second fight.

Thats my conspiracy theory for the day anyhow.

**Polyal** · 18-05-2006, 05:41 PM

oh for petes sake...................

vegabass · 18-05-2006, 05:45 PM

I dont know if i can handle the knob heads who call up austar on the day wanting it installed in 20 mins time ready for the fight. GRRRRRR

please no rematch it will stuff my stats!

EB Pete · 18-05-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by vegabass

I dont know if i can handle the knob heads who call up austar on the day wanting it installed in 20 mins time ready for the fight. GRRRRRR

please no rematch it will stuff my stats!

haha. Rematch for sure! i need to win me money back

Smoked · 18-05-2006, 05:54 PM

Pfffft, Mundine is a ****head, pity he won.

Racecraft · 18-05-2006, 05:55 PM

I don't think it was a secret that it will be the best of 3..It was banded around the media circus that they be mad not to go out of 3. Mundine may or may fight for the title first though,, it depends on the coin his crew can milk out of the title bout.. ie if it is in Australia and he can monopolise the pay per view market again..

**Falcon Coupe** · 18-05-2006, 05:59 PM

I think Mundine won fair and square, i have more respect for him as a boxer now,
but after the taunting and reference to a certain higher being i still hate him.

Sourbastard · 18-05-2006, 06:31 PM

The problem with Anthony Mundine IMO, is he seems to think he is Cassius Clay(And if you dont know who I'm talking about, you are in the wrong thread). He's found allah, he talks trash about his opponents, but lacks one important key, he is nowhere near as good a fighter as Cassius Clay was.

EB Pete · 18-05-2006, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sourbastard

The problem with Anthony Mundine IMO, is he seems to think he is Cassius Clay(And if you dont know who I'm talking about, you are in the wrong thread). He's found allah, he talks trash about his opponents, but lacks one important key, he is nowhere near as good a fighter as Cassius Clay was.

your right on the money there! did you hear him call himself the peoples champ? what a dick. everyone i talked to said they were going for green just cause they hate Mundine. he will never come close to the fighting ability of Cassius X.

Black XR6 · 18-05-2006, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EB Pete

your right on the money there! did you hear him call himself the peoples champ? what a dick. everyone i talked to said they were going for green just cause they hate Mundine. he will never come close to the fighting ability of Cassius X.

No, but he dosnt need to. All he needs to do is flap his gums and irritate people so everyone will pay to watch his fights to see if he gets smashed.

Bossxr8 · 18-05-2006, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sourbastard

The problem with Anthony Mundine IMO, is he seems to think he is Cassius Clay(And if you dont know who I'm talking about, you are in the wrong thread). He's found allah, he talks trash about his opponents, but lacks one important key, he is nowhere near as good a fighter as Cassius Clay was.

How long will it be before he claims to be bigger than Allah.

Sourbastard · 18-05-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

How long will it be before he claims to be bigger than Allah.

It worked for the Beatles.

flappist · 18-05-2006, 06:55 PM

I saw Muhammad Ali fight Joe Bugner in an "exhibition" match in Auckland in 1979, he was incredible.

He also had the "Muhammad Ali boxing team" with him to take on the locals a bit like the old Jimmy Sharman show. The problem was all the locals were maori and the "boxing team" got a VERY BIG fright...........

CAMS290 · 18-05-2006, 07:24 PM

Love him or hate him, Mundine has a natural talent that Danny Green sadly lacks.

EF, What else? · 18-05-2006, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CAMS290

Love him or hate him, Mundine has a natural talent that Danny Green sadly lacks.

Of course, thats why before tonight he had only lost 2 professional fights, both being against a world champion. No talent there

BPXR6T · 18-05-2006, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EF, What else?

Of course, thats why before tonight he had only lost 2 professional fights, both being against a world champion. No talent there

Agreed, Green is talented. I don't think we seen the best of Green last night. If anything Mundines head was in better shape. The machine himself stated that Mundine prevented him from unleashing his fight plan.

I'm keen on seeing a rematch. Green will go away and study the fight and see where his strategy let him down. Bring it on...

Sourbastard · 18-05-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CAMS290

Love him or hate him, Mundine has a natural talent that Danny Green sadly lacks.

I wouldnt consider his abilities natural, nor would I be too quick to consider him a superior fighter to green at this time. Green has had a longer career, and should be able to show the qualities that a good boxer needs to have, the ability to be defeated and then return to win. Ali & Foreman both lost fights, but their ability to return and defeat the opponents they lost to were their strengths.

Also No Boxer relies on natural abilities to win fights. They rely on discipline of mind and body, good trainers and the study of their opponent before the fight. And while Mundine may have won one fight against Green, he may well not win the next, nor his title bout.

XRTance · 18-05-2006, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sourbastard

I wouldnt consider his abilities natural, nor would I be too quick to consider him a superior fighter to green at this time. Green has had a longer career, and should be able to show the qualities that a good boxer needs to have, the ability to be defeated and then return to win. Ali & Foreman both lost fights, but their ability to return and defeat the opponents they lost to were their strengths.

Also No Boxer relies on natural abilities to win fights. They rely on discipline of mind and body, good trainers and the study of their opponent before the fight. And while Mundine may have won one fight against Green, he may well not win the next, nor his title bout.

fair point, however to a natural at a sport gives you a greater chance to win have known QLD and AUS champs that barely trained, and could just put it together in the ring, hence their natuarl ability, beating the trained fighter

Sourbastard · 18-05-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by XRTance

fair point, however to a natural at a sport gives you a greater chance to win have known QLD and AUS champs that barely trained, and could just put it together in the ring, hence their natuarl ability, beating the trained fighter

Yeah I'll agree there are certain individuals who have a great ability to improvise & adapt in technique, style and mobility, they are the guys who win because you simply cant study them, they are a moving target and you dont know what to expect.

But to say it was all due to their natural ability is to detract from their achievements a bit. Its bloody hard work! And not just for the boxer, but for those that train them and support them to get them to the ring. Its my bet Greens trainers are feeling the same level of failure as Green himself(Though are not likely to be as swollen), and are just as eager to see a rematch.

XRTance · 18-05-2006, 08:19 PM

i know it's hard work i've been there and it is very hard, but i'm not just saying that he won coz of his natural ability, i'm saying it gave him one hell of an edge, and so did his pyschological factors before the fight

BPXR6T · 18-05-2006, 07:27 PM

I heard Mundine proclaim in one of his rants that he's not arrogant, he's the peoples champion. What have I got to say to that, pigs ar$e...

**Falcon Coupe** · 18-05-2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FourBarrel

I heard Mundine proclaim in one of his rants that he's not arrogant, he's the peoples champion. What have I got to say to that, pigs ar$e...

Thats why "The People" robbed his house while he was busy during a previous fight.

sleep:

Thunder · 18-05-2006, 07:42 PM

Oh boy. Would they have sold as many tickets to the match if Mundine was not the motor-mouth he is?

Come on, sport (especialy boxing) is all about marketing/sponsorship and promotion these days. Mundines "i'm the man" mantra is all about getting more people to watch him fight (even if they want him to lose) and get more money into the game.

I cant get over how niave some of you guys are in thinking Mundine subscribes to his own poop. Off camera he will be the first to say its all "show" to get people to come and buy tickets............the religious stuff is something different all together. There is no better way of getting people to watch you, than to make them hate you.

I collected good $ on Mundine's win. Anyone who was going for Green to win was betting with their heart and not with their head.

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You love him or hate him.......you got to admitt he IS an amazing athelete.

BPXR6T · 18-05-2006, 07:52 PM

In my opinion mundine done enough last night to earn respect as a boxer. But Mundine seems to be stuck in the almost schizophrenic position of wanting to be Ali and an Australian champ. Make up your mind Mundine, you can't be both.

Oh yeah, was it rigged? Of course not...

XRTance · 18-05-2006, 07:58 PM

hey guys, been reading in here on all the comments about the BIG fight last night. first of all like to say i'm a boxer and a QLD champ, so i have a bit of an idea what goes on in the ring, and it's not all about being tuff (Danny Green), it all a mind game how to out smart our oppoent (Anthony Mundine), and it clearly showed last night that "The Man" can be a boxer and fighter, "The Machine" proved to ba a fighter going of the knocked-out coz he couldn't control himself, which Mundine took full oppurtunity of proving that he is a much more intelligant boxer then Green

However would to have seen Green win, but always knew "The Man" had him covered

Thunder · 18-05-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by XRTance

hey guys, been reading in here on all the comments about the BIG fight last night. first of all like to say i'm a boxer and a QLD champ, so i have a bit of an idea what goes on in the ring, and it's not all about being tuff (Danny Green), it all a mind game how to out smart our oppoent (Anthony Mundine), and it clearly showed last night that "The Man" can be a boxer and fighter, "The Machine" proved to ba a fighter going of the knocked-out coz he couldn't control himself, which Mundine took full oppurtunity of proving that he is a much more intelligant boxer then Green

However would to have seen Green win, but always knew "The Man" had him covered

Thank you

**Papa Smurf** · 18-05-2006, 08:09 PM

I must say that my liking for Mr Mundine is NIL but he appeared to box well last night but it did seem that Danny Green wasn't up to it? Pity :(
All the hooha didn't come to fruition.

And SourB, I remember when Cassius Clay fought, a greater boxer and all rounder than either fighter last night. Pity the way he ended up :(

Racecraft · 18-05-2006, 08:24 PM

one thing I'd like to add:-

I think Ismael Salas is as much to blame for the poor showing as Green himself.. As Kosta mentioned around round 4 iirc, Greens' game plan wasn't working, he had to go to plan B.. And here lies the problem, there was no plan B.. Salas should of had a few scenarios ready for his fighter.

It wasnt 12 rounds of boxing, it was 1 round 12 times :(

Without knowing Salas nor his credentials one must wonder what Green might of tried if Fenech was in his corner..

Natural ability, speed and boxing ability aside, Tony Sr. Roy Jones Sr and Manny (whatever his name was) helped Mundine with the preparation and a killer fight plan

FordFan86 · 18-05-2006, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mundine from some article

"There's bigger fish to fry. I've got to stay grounded and make sure my work ethic is the same as for this fight. I want to take an axe to a mosquito, whoever I fight," he said.

In the post-match warm-down last night, a relaxed Mundine had a message for his fans and for the Australian's who haven't warmed to him in the past:

"I'm the most dynamic, prolific, scientific, artistic, charismatic, flamboyant, impeccable athlete — in the past, present and the future.

I agree with sourbastard, the man clearly thinks he's the next cassius clay... However a few classes short of where the man himself was...
Let's put him in the ring with Lennox Lewis/David Tua/Some other big then see how he goes hahahah

nobbystang · 18-05-2006, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FordFan86

I agree with sourbastard, the man clearly thinks he's the next cassius clay... However a few classes short of where the man himself was...
Let's put him in the ring with Lennox Lewis/David Tua/Some other big then see how he goes hahahah

I'd rather see him dance around the ring with Hoppa!!!!!