TAFE or UNI

[Stealth00]

Just interested to know the percentage of people on these forums who completed TAFE courses as opposed to Uni.

For the record I have completed 2 TAFE courses.

[FordFan86]

I took a 6 month TAFE course at the start of the year (Automotive mechanics, completed). I deferred my Uni course. Next week I'm taking down forms to change the Uni course to something I find a bit more intersting.

[RED_EL_XR8]

Originally Posted by FordFan86

Next week I'm taking down forms to change the Uni course to something I find a bit more intersting.

But will Farnkarkling be a career choice that guarantees you a steady income?

[Dave_au]

Uni if you want a career with money

Tafe if you actually want some skills that you'd be able to use at junior levels.

[parawolf]

Originally Posted by Dave_au

Uni if you want a career with money

Tafe if you actually want some skills that you'd be able to use at junior levels.

Crap crap and utter crap.

You do not require University or TAFE skills to excell in society or have a career with money. It is just harder without.

Personally if three people presented to me as an employer, one with a University Degree, one with a TAFE diploma and one without either but with 2 years experience they would all get equal consideration. In fact the person with experience (depends on the experience, why they are moving on, many many factors) would be the person i'd be hardest on in the interview stage - but for the right reasons that they should be better at the job.

Teritary qualifications are a foot in the door, nothing more.

[Tornado]

Originally Posted by parawolf

Crap crap and utter crap.

You do not require University or TAFE skills to excell in society or have a career with money. It is just harder without.

Personally if three people presented to me as an employer, one with a University Degree, one with a TAFE diploma and one without either but with 2 years experience they would all get equal consideration. In fact the person with experience (depends on the experience, why they are moving on, many many factors) would be the person i'd be hardest on in the interview stage - but for the right reasons that they should be better at the job.

Teritary qualifications are a foot in the door, nothing more.

Yep I agree, its only a foot in the door, you need it to get the job.

ie:
How do you get the job to get the experieance without TAFE or UNI

[parawolf]

Originally Posted by Tornado

Yep I agree, its only a foot in the door, you need it to get the job.

ie:
How do you get the job to get the experieance without TAFE or UNI

Talking IT here, here are some examples:
Sys-Admin:
Pick an organisation like CFA or Surf Life Saving and volunteer your time. Assist with running a large scale web forum like www.fordforums.com.au and formalise processes like fortnightly/monthly meetings at BSR headquarters, and be secertary for those meetings.

Programmers:
Contribute to Open Source projects

Other employment disiplines have fairly comprehensive apprentiships already in place, in addition to this, to further your skills, join a not-for-profit organisation and volunteer your time on committee boards (car club: be a membership officier, secertary, treasurer, event organiser).

In the car industry, become a CAMS flag marshall, join in on Formula SAE organisation with your CAMS accreditation, get skills up and you could do large sporting events.

In business management or similar you could volunteer your time to Commonwealth games administration. See if you could 'shadow' some of the managers in that field.

I've listed volunteering a lot - but it is the easiest items to come out with. To get 'paid' industry rates, requires at least some formal training or experience.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by parawolf

Crap crap and utter crap.

You do not require University or TAFE skills to excell in society or have a career with money. It is just harder without.

Personally if three people presented to me as an employer, one with a University Degree, one with a TAFE diploma and one without either but with 2 years experience they would all get equal consideration. In fact the person with experience (depends on the experience, why they are moving on, many many factors) would be the person i'd be hardest on in the interview stage - but for the right reasons that they should be better at the job.

Teritary qualifications are a foot in the door, nothing more.

I second that..im still at uni, its ok but ive been in the automotive industry on an internship of sorts for nearly 12 months and uni means jack once your in.

Its like w.a.n.k.e.r.s that go on about TER score when they are already in uni...get over it..lol

[parawolf]

Originally Posted by Polyal

I second that..im still at uni, its ok but ive been in the automotive industry on an internship of sorts for nearly 12 months and uni means jack once your in.

Its like w.a.n.k.e.r.s that go on about TER score when they are already in uni...get over it..lol

spot on. Your enter score is a foot in the door to uni/tafe, your certificate is a foot in the door for a career.

It is not like you cannot get a career without a uni/tafe certificate, just need to find a different door.

[Dave_au]

Originally Posted by parawolf

Teritary qualifications are a foot in the door, nothing more.

Not if your a chartered accountant, lawyer, engineer, merchant banker, doctor or actuary.

Missed my point. When I said money, I meant - a job with money - eg Merchant Banker, corporate finance, Accountant, Lawyer.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by Dave_au

Not if your a chartered accountant, lawyer, engineer, merchant banker, doctor or actuary.

Missed my point. When I said money, I meant - a job with money - eg Merchant Banker, corporate finance, Accountant, Lawyer.

What......i know a lot of plumbers, mechanics and builders who earn more money than merchant bankers, accountants and lawyers.

[SSBUB]

Originally Posted by Thunder

What......i know a lot of plumbers, mechanics and builders who earn more money than merchant bankers, accountants and lawyers.

i dont know of any plumbers that earn as well as a lawyer....you have to weigh up job quality aswell
labouring jobs in trades can get you on equal terms, but sometimes have little room for growth, and before you know it, your 50 bordering on retirement and have been on the same wage for decades and your backs shot
If your in the corperate world you have the chance to climb the ladder and get a cushy desk job - no back complaints

Im not saying this is the norm, but i believe this to be true a lot of the time

[Dave_au]

Originally Posted by Thunder

What......i know a lot of plumbers, mechanics and builders who earn more money than merchant bankers, accountants and lawyers.

Yep, and vise versa!

[parawolf]

Originally Posted by Dave_au

Not if your a chartered accountant, lawyer, engineer, merchant banker, doctor or actuary.

Missed my point. When I said money, I meant - a job with money - eg Merchant Banker, corporate finance, Accountant, Lawyer.

Yes Lawyer, Merchant Banker, Corp Finance - why? historical reasons.

Accountant, Are you sure you don't need a TAFE dip? Not sure.

Engineer, now that is debatable. There are two kinds of engineers. Common Engineers and PEs (Professional Engineers). PEs definately require a degree, or two, plus masses of experience and extra training. These are the kind of people that sign off on designs and construction (as examples on my part only) for things that affect public or could be open to public liability. A Engineering Graduate is not a PE. Any other engineer could be by name only. My job title has Engineer in it, however I did Applied Science at uni. I've got a friend that did Comp Sci and Mechanical engineering (double) but he is a product development engineer - not exactly what he did at uni.

There are people at my work, that have not completed a degree (been in IT/Computing since... well... been in the same job for 20 years). They were Mathematics whiz's at high school and became 'human computers' in finance companies 20 years ago. Now 38 years old, they admin computers and do new project development. They have Engineer in their title to.

Engineer is a devalued title these days unfortunately. University engineering degrees should develop people towards PE's, not title Engineers. Engineering degrees with ENTERs of 50 or 60 are useless. The degree should be re-classified.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by parawolf

.............................Engineer is a devalued title these days unfortunately..............................

I call myself an Engineer of Beauty (im a jeweller) and on the weekends
an Engineer of Exotic Selections (im also a cook) :

[HP Dude]

Originally Posted by parawolf

Crap crap and utter crap.

You do not require University or TAFE skills to excell in society or have a career with money. It is just harder without.

Personally if three people presented to me as an employer, one with a University Degree, one with a TAFE diploma and one without either but with 2 years experience they would all get equal consideration. In fact the person with experience (depends on the experience, why they are moving on, many many factors) would be the person i'd be hardest on in the interview stage - but for the right reasons that they should be better at the job.

Teritary qualifications are a foot in the door, nothing more.

Yes, in certain occupations, but in my case, I can't practice as a lawyer until I finish my law degree! You're referring to 'generalist' uni degrees. There are also vocational university degrees that provide the minimum qualification required to work or practice a particular profession.

It all depends what you want, IMO. I personally would not bother with university unless you're studying to be a lawyer, doctor, teacher, engineer pharmacist, scientist etc.

[parawolf]

Originally Posted by HP Dude

Yes, in certain occupations, but in my case, I can't practice as a lawyer until I finish my law degree! You're referring to 'generalist' uni degrees. There are also vocational university degrees that provide the minimum qualification required to work or practice a particular profession.

It all depends what you want, IMO. I personally would not bother with university unless you're studying to be a lawyer, doctor, teacher, engineer pharmacist, scientist etc.

My degree was Electrical Engineering, but it was by the Faculty of Applied Science. Go figure. So because it isn't a B.Eng, does that mean i'm not allowed to call myself an engineer?

Should my employment title be "Senior Systems Scientist" instead?

Engineering qualifications in this country (and probably world wide) need to be far more formalised, qualified and substaintied for an engineering graduate to get a reasonable chance at life.

Those at high school that do "two maths, physics and chem" as year 12 subjects fall (most of the time) into engineering, only because it is what they understand, they don't pick science (applied or pure).

Personally the freedom to go to uni in the country has devalued the marketability of a university degree. I don't mean charge for a degree, but I mean raise the bar, I don't want someone that got into uni on an ENTER of 55 "engineering" (stress loading, wind sway, natural harmonics, etc) a public road bridge or a multi-story building in a hurry.

However universities are most to blame with all this. They started taking in bulk money and started to be run as a business rather than a public education facility. Personally I think the image of TAFE should be brushed up and made more appealing and university should scale up the level of requirements - but also the level of outputs.

Arts students should go to TAFE... :Up_to_som

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by parawolf

.....................................Arts students should go to TAFE... :Up_to_som

I can think of somewhere else arts students can go...........

[Dave_au]

Originally Posted by parawolf

My degree was Electrical Engineering, but it was by the Faculty of Applied Science. Go figure. So because it isn't a B.Eng, does that mean i'm not allowed to call myself an engineer?

Should my employment title be "Senior Systems Scientist" instead?

Thats not the point at all - you can finish uni with a degree in accounting, you still can't go around calling yourself an accountant however - likewise with law.

It all depends about what you do with that degree in business, and how you apply your degree to your job.

[HP Dude]

Originally Posted by parawolf

My degree was Electrical Engineering, but it was by the Faculty of Applied Science. Go figure. So because it isn't a B.Eng, does that mean i'm not allowed to call myself an engineer?

Should my employment title be "Senior Systems Scientist" instead?

Engineering qualifications in this country (and probably world wide) need to be far more formalised, qualified and substaintied for an engineering graduate to get a reasonable chance at life.

Those at high school that do "two maths, physics and chem" as year 12 subjects fall (most of the time) into engineering, only because it is what they understand, they don't pick science (applied or pure).

Personally the freedom to go to uni in the country has devalued the marketability of a university degree. I don't mean charge for a degree, but I mean raise the bar, I don't want someone that got into uni on an ENTER of 55 "engineering" (stress loading, wind sway, natural harmonics, etc) a public road bridge or a multi-story building in a hurry.

However universities are most to blame with all this. They started taking in bulk money and started to be run as a business rather than a public education facility. Personally I think the image of TAFE should be brushed up and made more appealing and university should scale up the level of requirements - but also the level of outputs.

Arts students should go to TAFE... :Up_to_som

I agree with what you've written.

[EL-XRAN]

Originally Posted by parawolf

Crap crap and utter crap.

You do not require University or TAFE skills to excell in society or have a career with money. It is just harder without.

Personally if three people presented to me as an employer, one with a University Degree, one with a TAFE diploma and one without either but with 2 years experience they would all get equal consideration. In fact the person with experience (depends on the experience, why they are moving on, many many factors) would be the person i'd be hardest on in the interview stage - but for the right reasons that they should be better at the job.

Teritary qualifications are a foot in the door, nothing more.

HAH! Agreed!! I did a tafe course at the beginning of the year... In 2 more years I'll be on a wage between 80-120k/yr. Not bad for someone about to hit the ripe old age of 19 huh. Btw, the course was Marine Engineering.

[RapidTypLady]

Originally Posted by Dave_au

Uni if you want a career with money

Tafe if you actually want some skills that you'd be able to use at junior levels.

My daughter didnt have high enough scores to get into Uni straight so she had to do a 6 month bridging course in TAFE first and then went to Uni. She is now a qualified nurse and working. I dont agree with that statement Dave as the girls who were in Uni dropped out and the girls who were in TAFE stayed until the end.

[bprint xr8]

Finished uni (bachelor of business) some time ago. Havent done any tafe courses.

I do know of people who do quite well for themselves that have done neither. I think its more of a question of what you need to do to get started in your choosen field.

[CruizinEB]

yes i go to TAFE and i hate it, they wont let me smoke near the building :(:(:(:(

[Matty_XR6]

TAFE yes but also considering UNI as UNI supplies courses and certificates TAFE doesn`t

[Deadman]

I did 2 Uni courses, but can I add, I have great respect for people who do TAFE - it's actually WAY harder than Uni!

[b2tf]

Just about to begin a TAFE Diploma.

[Penelope Pitstop]

Define Completed :O

[Matty_XR6]

Originally Posted by PirtekGirl76

Define Completed :O

You finished the course and left with a statement of attainment..certificate or diploma :

[KEV EB XR8]

Two times at tafe

1 two year course, Retail butchery,dpi inspection,

1 year course, Metalurgy, metal composition

1 course still attending - Club Directors institute. should extent this to include stage 2