threats to aus, should we be scared?

niko · 02-11-2005, 06:08 PM

i had a teacher say to me once, dont stress out about something that hasn't happened.

but it makes u think, why australia...

The Monty · 02-11-2005, 06:14 PM

I will keep living my life exactly how I live it now, because if we change our lives to suit the terrorists, they win.

Psycho Chicken · 02-11-2005, 06:21 PM

Who gives a rats. Start worrying at the nutters have won.

DOC · 02-11-2005, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Who gives a rats. Start worrying at the nutters have won.

With respect to yourself and your opinion, i refuse as many other will, to agree with this thinking.

Psycho Chicken · 02-11-2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DOC

With respect to yourself and your opinion, i refuse as many other will, to agree with this thinking.

Why? They want to destroy our way of life, I see that as being pretty relaxed. Start worrying and changing the way we live and they are one step closer to what they want, a hardline muslim country in the pacific.

Besides, the facts are you've got more chance of getting killed in a car accident than a terrorist attack. I don't see anyone here not driving.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for finding these idiots and removing their oxygen using rights, but as a whole the public is a wee bit too paranoid.

DOC · 02-11-2005, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Why? They want to destroy our way of life, I see that as being pretty relaxed. Start worrying and changing the way we live and they are one step closer to what they want, a hardline muslim country in the pacific.
Besides, the facts are you've got more chance of getting killed in a car accident than a terrorist attack. I don't see anyone here not driving.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for finding these idiots and removing their oxygen using rights, but as a whole the public is a wee bit too paranoid.

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Who gives a rats. Start worrying at the nutters have won.

Psycho Chicken,
sorry i should have read your post corectly, as i took as you had said they had won, but now re re reading it you are saying " start worrying and they have won "

so appologies, we are rowing the same boat.

Pete

dansedgli · 02-11-2005, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Who gives a rats. Start worrying at the nutters have won.

Thats my opinion exactly too. If it happens it happens. No use whinging about it. The government are obviously doing all they can to stop anything happening.

They introduce new laws like that for good reason, not just to **** off some minority groups that dont like it here.

jmc-007 · 02-11-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by niko

i had a teacher say to me once, dont stress out about something that hasn't happened.

but it makes u think, why australia...

Well i am not convinced esp after John Howard wanted to pass those new laws. maybe it was a load of bulldust so everyone would agree too pass the new measures. i find it to convenient that the opposition has just magicly agreed based on this aledged information.

I smell a few rats !!!

Honestly where does hollywood movies end and where does the real world start anymore.

Where has the good old days gone and bring them back.

bindi · 02-11-2005, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jmc-007

Well i am not convinced esp after John Howard wanted to pass those new laws. maybe it was a load of bulldust so everyone would agree too pass the new measures. i find it to convenient that the opposition has just magicly agreed based on this aledged information.

I smell a few rats !!!

Honestly where does hollywood movies end and where does the real world start anymore.

I agree, we were just watching the news and commenting on how convenient it is...

One of the reasons we are under threat? Because we sent troops to Iraq to an illegal war (IMHO!!!).

It also takes the public eye off the IR laws...

Steffo · 02-11-2005, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bindi

One of the reasons we are under threat? Because we sent troops to Iraq to an illegal war (IMHO!!!).

Sorry to go a bit off topic, but, what the hell is an illegal war? How can there be a law Governing war and if you're allowed to go to war or not. As far as I understand, laws tend to go out the window during war time, you can't legislate on a world scale "Yes, you're allowed to invade this country now," or "Yes, you can defend yourself against this country now."

Technically, wouldn't that make every war that ever happened "illegal?"

MrSparkle · 02-11-2005, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bindi

One of the reasons we are under threat? Because we sent troops to Iraq to an illegal war (IMHO!!!).

I take it you didn't know any victims in either of the Bali bombings? I lost a mate and I can tell you from what I have learned from it all, is that these people (the Indonesian based terrorists) will plan attacks irrespective of what our government does. They will claim whatever action we are currently involved in, to be the cause. ie. if our troops sat on their **** in their bases and did nothing, do you think that would have stopped the bombers from doing their "holy duty"? Umm, NO.

Violent fanaticism knows nothing of politics.

Sagerian · 02-11-2005, 06:26 PM

Well we need to face facts. I'm sure there are loads of terror threats against us that we don't even hear about. This one came at a good time for the PM (trying to pass his terror laws) so he uses the media to his advantage.

At the end of the day, your number is up when your number's up. Why fight it, enjoy life (why on earth so I sound like an ad when I say this? Goodness)

jmc-007 · 02-11-2005, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sagerian

Well we need to face facts. I'm sure there are loads of terror threats against us that we don't even hear about. This one came at a good time for the PM (trying to pass his terror laws) so he uses the media to his advantage.

At the end of the day, your number is up when your number's up. Why fight it, enjoy life (why on earth so I sound like an ad when I say this? Goodness)

I think you have nailed it

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max^power · 02-11-2005, 06:28 PM

I wouldnt want to be a muslim if they do attack... the fightback from the public would be against all muslims, not only terrorists. It happened when NYC got attacked over here.

Bucknaked · 02-11-2005, 06:28 PM

I think theres more chance of the Bird Flu getting to Australia and killing 20 thousand people.

niko · 02-11-2005, 06:34 PM

it is iffy i do aggree of how quikly things were aggreed on

PH47 · 02-11-2005, 07:04 PM

Yer i'd be more worried about bird flu too.. more direct risk..

I don't believe in those 'threats'.. I believe the government 'finds' threats so they can use the public scare to their own good (ie: new anti terrorist laws)..

There's no real notice when it's actually going to happen.. as per Bali etc.

Also we're such a 'multi-cultural' country (and specifically sydney as a city) that any international terrorists would be idiots for attacking us.. not for the retaliation but because they probably have friends living here!

dansedgli · 02-11-2005, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by senifx

Also we're such a 'multi-cultural' country (and specifically sydney as a city) that any international terrorists would be idiots for attacking us.. not for the retaliation but because they probably have friends living here!

So if anyone sees a large amount of hot pink cars with 20's cruising away from the city, its time to panic!

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Psycho Chicken · 02-11-2005, 07:12 PM

Steffo, it's illegal according to the UN. Though do some research on UN rules of engagement during Somalia and Rowanda and you'll soon realise the UN is a big joke.

Steffo · 02-11-2005, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Steffo, it's illegal according to the UN. Though do some research on UN rules of engagement during Somalia and Rowanda and you'll soon realise the UN is a big joke.

Yeah I've known the UN is a joke for a while now. I still don't how they can call a war "illegal" or "legal," or what have you. It defies logic...

Psycho Chicken · 02-11-2005, 07:26 PM

There were people protesting the US involvment in WW2. Didn't hear much about them after the truth about the jews came out. I don't know how people can think it was a bad thing we got Saddam out of power, we haven't heard half the story. Sure the country is messed up at the moment, but so was Germany in 1946. And Japan. Look at what happened to them.

Besides, the western world has been a target long before this. JI couldn't give a toss about what's going on in the middle east. They just want their own little country. In our part of the world. A whole country of nut bags a stone's throw from Darwin. Grand idea, let's sit back and let that happen.

I should shut up, I'll probably get this closed or something at this rate.

Sourbastard · 02-11-2005, 07:26 PM

War is a continuation of politics by other means. Its legallity as judged by other countries is of little interest to those who wage it unless those other countries care to get involved.

IE no war can be deemed legal, nor illegal, as international law is worthless when noone enforces it. I can proclaim all donuts illegal today, but unless someone wants to enforce it, its worthless.

So the specific question would be, who wants to step up and enforce the law against the United States through military means?

Gee... no volunteers? Fancy that :P

Noone can afford to play any sanctions games with the US either. They are one of the biggest consumer markets in the world. We need their money, pure and simple.

3Toed · 02-11-2005, 08:16 PM

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War is a continuation of politics by other means.

Ah, you've seen Crimson Tide as well? :hihi:

Blue Oval Mopar Man · 02-11-2005, 08:38 PM

Everyone is bagging John Howard because of the intended new anti terror laws his party want to introduce . But you watch the same paranoid snivel libitarians screem that John hasnt done enough once the scumbag terrorists do strike ! And they will . Its only a matter of time . Its unAstralain to stick your head in the sand you fools , hopeing if you cant see them , they arent there and therefor wont attack !

Bring em in Mr Howard! Lets let them barstards know to expect repocutions when they murder innocent Aussies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sourbastard · 02-11-2005, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 3Toed

Ah, you've seen Crimson Tide as well? :hihi:

Yep. But I have also read some of Carl von Clausewitz' work when I was in High School. You can read his collective works here: http://www.clausewitz.com/CWZHOME/CWZBASE.htm

On another note. No domestic law we have will stop a well planned terrorist event. Our best defence is a well resourced intelligence agency acting in foreign countries primarily, with limited local roles in identified areas.

BA GT-HO · 02-11-2005, 07:50 PM

Meh.

I couldn't give a flying **** if they tried something in Australia or not, even if I was personally involved. I would only worry about it when it happens. It's the Government's job to worry about potential attacks and prevent them. That would be why we all get shafted so badly by taxes on everything.

I am not going to change my life style for some bunch of losers whose are jealous of how we live and want to disrupt our everyday lives. And the best part (the bit that I laugh at everytime I hear about a suicide bomber etc.) is that what they believe in DOES NOT EXIST!

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You dedicated your whole live and then killed yourself for NOTHING!

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JC · 02-11-2005, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BA GT-HO

Meh.

I couldn't give a flying **** if they tried something in Australia or not, even if I was personally involved. I would only worry about it when it happens. It's the Government's job to worry about potential attacks and prevent them. That would be why we all get shafted so badly by taxes on everything.

I am not going to change my life style for some bunch of losers whose are jealous of how we live and want to disrupt our everyday lives. And the best part (the bit that I laugh at everytime I hear about a suicide bomber etc.) is that what they believe in DOES NOT EXIST!

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You dedicated your whole live and then killed yourself for NOTHING!

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Sorry, but how do YOU know that. Have you personally died and seen the "other side". I doubt it. What you have done is to question a persons faith - very dangerous territory indeed, and I'm sure it goes against the Forums rules.

Now, to the possibility of a terror attack - yes, there is a chance something will happen, but then there's been bushfires, earthquakes and other natural disasters, and we all got through that, so we will get through whatever else happens too. If you go through life worrying about what "might" happen, you would never leave your house (in fact you probably wouldn't live in a house, just in case the roof caved in). We should all be more vigilant etc (ie report backpacks/boxes etc left in public places), but to target muslims is just wrong. Not all terrorists are muslim (the IRA are catholic, after all), and not all muslims are terrorists.

Be careful out there, and stay safe.

vztrt · 02-11-2005, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BA GT-HO

Meh.
I am not going to change my life style for some bunch of losers whose are jealous of how we live and want to disrupt our everyday lives. And the best part (the bit that I laugh at everytime I hear about a suicide bomber etc.) is that what they believe in DOES NOT EXIST!

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They couldn't give a toss of the western way of life. If they followed their religion than western life is a sin. They want to be left alone. But when the Americans write reports where they want to control the middle east and asia, a country would tend to feel a little threataned.

Anyone who believes that a dictator would knowingly harbour terrorists in his country obviously doesn't know how these people work. A dictator wants full control of its people and having unstable individuals that can turn on you is not what he wants to do.

Sadam was evil. But if the Americans wanted to invade Iraq they should have done it properly and listened to their generals. The generals made reports in the American senate that they would need 300,000 troops not the 70,000 that was sent.

Falcon Freak · 02-11-2005, 10:25 PM

George W Bush used the same scare tactics when he was having trouble trying to obtain approval from the US congress for the Patriot Act. So all of a sudden anthrax spores started appearing in a number of places - especially in the mail to the congressmen who opposed the Patriot Act. When this legislation was eventually approved the anthrax scares stopped. What happened? Did the terrorists run out of anthrax? If they had it then they would still be using it! This was all propaganda to get the America's scared and supporting the Patriot Act. Which means that in the process of trying to protect their freedom, the US citizens gave up some of their freedoms.

John Howard is now using the same scare tactics on the Australian population. He his hoping to convince enough dimwits that he has their best interests at heart with the anti terrorist legislation.

I say if we stopped creating terrorists then they will stop attacking us.

FF

FF

bindi · 03-11-2005, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

George W Bush used the same scare tactics when he was having trouble trying to obtain approval from the US congress for the Patriot Act. So all of a sudden anthrax spores started appearing in a number of places - especially in the mail to the congressmen who opposed the Patriot Act. When this legislation was eventually approved the anthrax scares stopped. What happened? Did the terrorists run out of anthrax? If they had it then they would still be using it! This was all propaganda to get the America's scared and supporting the Patriot Act. Which means that in the process of trying to protect their freedom, the US citizens gave up some of their freedoms.

John Howard is now using the same scare tactics on the Australian population. He his hoping to convince enough dimwits that he has their best interests at heart with the anti terrorist legislation.

I say if we stopped creating terrorists then they will stop attacking us.

FF

DAMN STRAIGHT! Yes, where did all that anthrax go???!!!

I think I was sent this by someone on here... but I'm gonna put it here anyway. I think it sums up the whole lot: