Covid 19 -

[cs123]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Past topics x new data ➗ new contributors = new discussion?

Divide by zero error. Same contributors.


I like seeing the stats updates by Russ. I get tired of the people who lack critical thinking skills.

[FairmontGS]

Anyway, back on topic...

China keeps saying no to US offers of COVID vaccines

Washington: China has rebuffed repeated US offers to share advanced vaccines as Beijing battles a fast-spreading wave of COVID-19, a rejection that’s led to growing frustration among American officials concerned about a resurgence of the pandemic in the US.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/ch...07-p5cayh.html

China celebrity deaths spark fears over death toll

The growing number of Chinese public figures whose deaths are being made public is prompting people to question the official Covid death toll.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-64173824

[FairmontGS]

Galactically embarrassing for Rommy-boy. I presume he's done the decent thing and gone rouge with the shame of it.

[Syndrome]

Who else feels like they are somewhat short of breath since being forcibly vaccinated? I do.

[Work Horse]

I reckon next time we get the vaccine sorted before all the deaths and hospitals are overwhelmed.

In future any medical offical who stands in front of a microphone and is not 110% correct with the information they are trying to disseminate, will go to jail for a long time!

The excuse that the nature of science is constantly questioning outcomes, will not be a defence.

Who's with me!

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

I reckon next time we get the vaccine sorted before all the deaths and hospitals are overwhelmed.

In future any medical offical who stands in front of a microphone and is not 110% correct with the information they are trying to disseminate, will go to jail for a long time!

The excuse that the nature of science is constantly questioning outcomes, will not be a defence.

Who's with me!

…Provided they publish fully in real time, “the data” and “modelling” to which they refer for decisions.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

I reckon next time we get the vaccine sorted before all the deaths and hospitals are overwhelmed.

In future any medical offical who stands in front of a microphone and is not 110% correct with the information they are trying to disseminate, will go to jail for a long time!

The excuse that the nature of science is constantly questioning outcomes, will not be a defence.

Who's with me!

You would hope there would be lessons learned with this pandemic, but I would dare say when and if a next one happens the same scenario will play out; never trust politicians.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Itsme

You would hope there would be lessons learned with this pandemic, but I would dare say when and if a next one happens the same scenario will play out; never trust politicians.

For me that's the worst thing learned from the pandemic ......it's that we didn't learn it was a chain reaction of countries making the same dumb mistakes over and over without learning from previous mistakes......quite sad really some of them basic mistakes that were obvious to working people.....guess that's what happens when Pollys are calling the shots

[mostly_broncos]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

I reckon next time we get the vaccine sorted before all the deaths and hospitals are overwhelmed.

In future any medical offical who stands in front of a microphone and is not 110% correct with the information they are trying to disseminate, will go to jail for a long time!

The excuse that the nature of science is constantly questioning outcomes, will not be a defence.

Who's with me!

why were hospitals overwhelmed though? I'm not saying they weren't but early on there was no treatment available .

The extremely ill were being put on ventilators which was basically killing the person half the time.

My point being , they didn't have a plan and were essentially panicking at the hospital. Not the medical staff but the admin , the legal staff the beancounters.

You have a different healthcare system , ours is basically a for profit cash machine where the goal is to milk as much cash from an insurance company as possible while doing as little as possible . When this thing hit the admin departments of the hospitals freaked out in about 6 different ways.

There was a test , they could tell you a week or so later you were infected , they had no treatment for mild cases and only bad treatments for severe cases. They have a thirst for money so didn't want to turn anyone away but when they absolutely had to act they killed the patient half the time.

It was a legal nightmare . the urge to bill the crap out of an insurance company balanced by the desire to avoid being sued for killing thousands of people.

At no point did anyone every say " Calm down people , we really don't have a treatment so unless you are very sick (like calling an ambulance sick) stay home and ride it out like you would a flu or a bad cold "

Hospital waiting rooms were packed with sick coughing people spreading the virus to each other . Who were then tested and sent home to wait 5 10 or 14 days to hear the results. If they didn't have covid when they went in they probably caught it from the poor stiff next to them.


The hospitals essentially behaved the same way as our garbage politicians and functionary 3rd class types, promise the moon and deliver nothing then CYA .

Next time just come out and say we don't actually know what to do , handle it yourselves as best you can. Which is what everyone figured out anyway.

In the US huge numbers of people were killed by politicians and hospital and nursing home higher ups who dumped deathly ill patients into facilities full of the people most vulnerable to getting the virus and then dying. That was all done because of money.

I don't think this happened in countries with free basic health care.

The fact is in the US if you are an 80 year old with corona who isn't dying the hospital decided to send you back to your nursing home because they want to bill someone 9000 dollars per night for a private room. If they can't get that money they kick you out. Right back into a nursing home full of vulnerable old people with no defense against the virus who died by the thousands.

Here in Mass , there was a veterans home for the elderly where the death toll was astronomical. Bureaucrats made those decisions and never paid any price.

[FairmontGS]

Hindsight is a good thing. I feel like we did ok in AUS and NZ in the end. I wouldn't have traded places with the people in National Cabinet for quids.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Hindsight is a good thing. I feel like we did ok in AUS and NZ in the end. I wouldn't have traded places with the people in National Cabinet for quids.

But we should have too we were basically the last area in the world to get it, with no borders to easily cross

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by PooDog

But we should have too we were basically the last area in the world to get it, with no borders to easily cross

Undoubtedly that's what saved us.

[russellw]

Australia / New Zealand
Please note that as of the 16th September the numbers are now reported weekly and all the charts have been changed to that period of time.

NSW Predictive Trend



VIC Predictive Trend



Here is the predictive trend graph for four States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st 2021 so that’s more than a full year of data now.



NSW had 7,444 more cases than Victoria last week;
Victoria recorded 4,441 less cases than the previous week;
NSW recorded 5,740 less;
Queensland had 1,310 less;WA recorded 1,057 less;
SA recorded 1,693 less; and
New Zealand recorded 1,080 less.

The week totalled 42,823 cases, a 26.5% decrease on last week.

.. trends over the last 3 months:

[FairmontGS]

China reports huge rise in COVID-related deaths after data criticism

BEIJING, Jan 14 (Reuters) - China said on Saturday nearly 60,000 people with COVID-19 had died in hospital since it abandoned its zero-COVID policy last month, a huge increase from previously reported figures that follows global criticism of the country's coronavirus data.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/...es-2023-01-14/

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT week ending January 13th 2023.


42,823 new cases for Australia and 408 deaths so the CMR is 0.157% (é).
NZ reported 21,660 cases and 53 deaths for a CMR of 0.169% (-).
The UK reported 33,262 cases and 1,129 death last week for a CMR of 0.834 (é).
A much lower 373,687 new cases in the USA this week and higher 3,670 deaths sees CMR at 1.087 (ê).

Other notable points:Global cases pass 670M;
Asia passes 210M cases;
North America passes 122M cases;

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and South Korea drops below.

Global case numbers are down again to 3,108,219 this week compared to the 3,044,349 last week and the number of deaths increased from an unamended 11,062 last week to 13,951 this week although the amended deaths for last week are up to 14,221 and the amended case numbers to 3,315,913.

[FairmontGS]

China’s COVID deaths expected to hit 36,000 a day during holiday

Beijing | China is likely to see 36,000 COVID-19 deaths a day during the Lunar New Year holidays, making it one of the deadliest periods of the pandemic, according to an updated analysis of the largest outbreak the world has yet experienced.

The revised figures from the independent forecasting firm Airfinity added 11,000 deaths a day to its December 29 estimate, a jump that shows the breathtaking pace of the outbreak and the lack of clear information about how it is spreading in the world’s most populous nation.

https://www.afr.com/world/asia/china...0230118-p5cdmd

[russellw]

Australia / New Zealand
Please note that as of the 16th September the numbers are now reported weekly and all the charts have been changed to that period of time.

NSW Predictive Trend



VIC Predictive Trend



Here is the predictive trend graph for four States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st 2021 so that’s more than a full year of data now.





NSW had 6,145 more cases than Victoria last week;
Victoria recorded 2,996 less cases than the previous week;
NSW recorded 4,991 less;
Queensland had 3,446 less;WA recorded 1,928 less;
SA recorded 1,208 less; and
New Zealand recorded 2,481 less.

The week totalled 27,547 cases, a 35.7% decrease on last week. One of the consequences of the lower testing rates now that the tests aren’t free is that the raw CMR is back on the rise again. For all of 2022 it was 0.146% but this YTD it is already 0.806% and it was 1.379% this last week.

.. trends over the last 3 months:

[FairmontGS]

In China, doctors say they are discouraged from citing COVID on death certificates

BEIJING, Jan 17 (Reuters) - During a busy shift at the height of Beijing's COVID wave, a physician at a private hospital saw a printed notice in the emergency department: doctors should “try not to” write COVID-induced respiratory failure on death certificates.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/...es-2023-01-17/

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT week ending January 20th 2023.


27,547 new cases for Australia and 380 deaths so the CMR is 0.160% (é).
NZ reported 19,179 cases and 55 deaths for a CMR of 0.170% (é).
The UK didn’t report yet this week for a CMR of 0.834 (-).
A slightly higher 377,430 new cases in the USA this week and higher 3,856 deaths sees CMR at 1.087 (-).

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 672M;
Europe passes 244M cases;
Asia passes 211M cases;

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and none drop below.

Global case numbers are down again to 2,271,453 this week compared to the 3,108,219 last week and the number of deaths increased from an unamended 13.951 last week to 15,274 this week although the amended deaths for last week are up to 15,200 and the amended case numbers to 3,206,116.

[russellw]

It's not a lot of data but here is a quick look at the weekly CMR in Australia since the beginning of December.

[russellw]

Global (figures up to 22/01/23)

During the last month, global CMR's have mostly been dropping with the global average now at 1.002% compared to 1.011% in the previous month and 1.575% a year ago.

Notably; Australia, Azerbaijan, Bosnia, Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel, Japan, MalaysiaMalta, New Zealand,Norway, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand and the United Kingdom all saw CMR rise.

Case numbers decrease this month with 12.341M compared to 15.434M in the previous period but with a higher 62,585 deaths in the last month and a higher CMR of 0.507% on an unadjusted basis.
Overall the increase in cases numbers was 1.8% and the variance in the number of deaths 0.93%.Countries (with >100k cases) that were above 4% growth for the month areChina (+21.9%);Hong Kong (+14.6%); Japan (+12.8%);Taiwan (+7.6%); Channel Islands (+5.3%); South Korea (+4.9%); Brunei (+4.7%) andNew Zealand (+4.4%).

Very few countries saw their mortalities increase by much with Japan (+16.4%); Hong Kong (+13.3%); Norway (+9.2%); Finland (+7.3%); New Zealand (+6.6%); Taiwan (+6.6%);Australia (+6.5%); Channel Islands (+6.3%); Denmark (+4.8%) and South Korea (+4.6%) the only significant growth amongst countries with >100k cases.

[Charliewool]

Wonder just how accurate figures are from many other countries nowadays?
Talking to Amigos back in Costa Rica, they’re saying Govco couldn’t give 2 hoots anymore..
I’d suggest similar attitude for most of Latin America?

[burnz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfbHMPkmvtE
watch to the end Pls..

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by burnz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfbHMPkmvtE
watch to the end Pls..

For 40 mins?

[burnz]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

For 40 mins?

yeh sorry.

[russellw]

Australia / New Zealand
Please note that as of the 16th September the numbers are now reported weekly and all the charts have been changed to that period of time.

NSW Predictive Trend



VIC Predictive Trend



Here is the predictive trend graph for four States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st 2021 so that’s more than a full year of data now.



NSW had 4,150 more cases than Victoria last week;
Victoria recorded 1,466 less cases than the previous week;
NSW recorded 1,409 less;
Queensland had 1,032 less;WA recorded 963 less;
SA recorded 559 less; and
New Zealand recorded 5,324 less.

The week totalled 21,457 cases, a 22.1% decrease on last week. One of the consequences of the lower testing rates now that the tests aren’t free is that the raw CMR is back on the rise again. For all of 2022 it was 0.146% but this YTD it is already 1.040% and it was 2.437% this last week.



.. trends over the last 3 months:

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT week ending January 27th 2023.


21,457 new cases for Australia and 523 deaths so the CMR is 0.165% (é).
NZ reported 13,875 cases and 78 deaths for a CMR of 0.173% (é).
The UK reported 15,121 cases and 942 deaths last week for a CMR of 0.841 (é).
A lower 283,579 new cases in the USA this week and lower 3,736 deaths sees CMR at 1.088 (é).

Other notable points:Global cases pass 674M;
Global deaths pass 6.75M, the last 50k in 22 days;
Europe passes 2M deaths;
Asia passes 212M cases;
North America passes 123M cases;
USA passes 104M cases;
South Korea passes 30M cases;
Japan passes 32M cases;

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and none drop below.

Global case numbers are well down to 1,596,652 this week compared to the 2,271,453 last week and the number of deaths decreased from an unamended 15.724 last week to 12,543 this week although the amended deaths for last week are up to 15,7958 and the amended case numbers to 2,373,400.

[russellw]

Australia / New Zealand
Please note that as of the 16th September the numbers are now reported weekly and all the charts have been changed to that period of time.

NSW Predictive Trend



VIC Predictive Trend



Here is the predictive trend graph for four States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st 2021 so that’s more than a full year of data now.



NSW had 4,207 more cases than Victoria last week;
Victoria recorded 390 less cases than the previous week;
NSW recorded 1,086 less;
Queensland had 494 less;WA recorded 581 less;
SA recorded 208 less; and
New Zealand recorded 3,288 less.

The week totalled 18,376 cases, a 14.4% decrease on last week. One of the consequences of the lower testing rates now that the tests aren’t free is that the raw CMR is back on the rise again. For all of 2022 it was 0.146% but this YTD it is already 1.205% and it was 2.552% this last week.



.. trends over the last 3 months:

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT week ending February 3rd 2023.


18,376 new cases for Australia and 469 deaths so the CMR is 0.166% (é).
NZ reported 10,567 cases and 27 deaths for a CMR of 0.173% (-).
The UK hasn’t reported yet this week for a CMR of 0.841 (-).
A higher 346,091 new cases in the USA this week and lower 3,721 deaths sees CMR at 1.088 (é).

Other notable points:Global cases pass 675M;
Asia passes 1.5M deaths;

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and Japan drops below.

Global case numbers are down again to 1,356,837 this week compared to the 1,596,652 last week and the number of deaths increased from an unamended 12.543 last week to 13,756 this week although the amended deaths for last week are up to 14,291 and the amended case numbers to 1,693,292.

[russellw]

Australia / New Zealand
Please note that as of the 16th September 2022 the numbers are now reported weekly and all the charts have been changed to that period of time.

NSW Predictive Trend




VIC Predictive Trend



NSW had 3,511 more cases than Victoria last week;
Victoria recorded 115 less cases than the previous week;
NSW recorded 127 less;
Queensland had 548 less;WA recorded 53 less;
SA recorded 209 more; and
New Zealand recorded 1,707 less.

The week totalled 17,682 cases, a 3.8% decrease on last week. One of the consequences of the lower testing rates now that the tests aren’t free is that the raw CMR is back on the rise again. For all of 2022 it was 0.146% but this YTD it is already 1.196% and it was 1.369% this last week although there was an adjustment for two States.



.. trends over the last 3 months: