Legal speed illegal?

**Stav** · 04-10-2005, 09:08 PM

Is a street acceleration to 60 kays against a friend street racing?Is accelerating to a safe legal speed street racing? Is it illegal? Is it illegal with a friend next to you?

You dont wheelspin,you dont go sideways just off the lights to 60 or 80 or whatever the limit is?

Its not that I do it for a living but what are the rules ?
Personally I have a great respect for life and lives of others and dont believe in stupid criminal and careless driving. On the odd occasion we all accelerate a little quicker to the speed limit but this is not technically a crime.Its not even considered dangerous...so anyone ..what are the legalities here?

Kryton · 04-10-2005, 09:10 PM

yes you can get done for accelerating too quickly. you can get done if there is a car next to you and they accelerate quickly too. that would be looked upon as dragging. you dont need to be speeding to be racing.

**Stav** · 04-10-2005, 09:17 PM

I have accelerated next to police cars at a rapid rate yet not breaking the speed limit. Nothing happened? Not a flinch?

Kryton · 04-10-2005, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by useless

I have accelerated next to police cars at a rapid rate yet not breaking the speed limit. Nothing happened? Not a flinch?

was it dinner time though

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XA-Coupe · 04-10-2005, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by useless

I have accelerated next to police cars at a rapid rate yet not breaking the speed limit. Nothing happened? Not a flinch?

and ???
Regardless, we wont allow street racing stories, whether they break the speed limit or no on our forum.

**Stav** · 04-10-2005, 09:21 PM

Maybe Krispy Kreme doughnut time?

micksta · 04-10-2005, 09:21 PM

well i accelerated through a set of green lights ... in first gear ... that wouldn't go above 60 kays even if i pushed it ...
and a cop pulled me up and sed i may be asked to go to court ... what the hell ???

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**Stav** · 04-10-2005, 09:22 PM

Was it noisy?Did it spin?

**Stav** · 04-10-2005, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by XA Coupe

and ???
Regardless, we wont allow street racing stories, whether they break the speed limit or no on our forum.

Your decision not to run street racing stories is a wise decision.I do not promote street racing as it can accumulate into loss of life and injuries which are left behind for ever.
My purpose here is not to promote it but to distinguish what is right and what is wrong and the fine line which exists.I drive like a 110 year old with bad knees 99% of the time. Sometimes I like to get away from the green a little quicker but never break the speed limit.This is where I am focusing.

After being collected by 2 semi trailers while stopped at lights believe me that wreckless behaviour is wreckless on the street in public and behind closed doors.It is inexcusable and it bloody hurts!!

micksta · 04-10-2005, 09:29 PM

no wheel spin

same noise as anyones car with a single cat back exhausted car would sound.

so .. not very noisey

The Mighty Red · 04-10-2005, 09:30 PM

yes it is illegal.

Its called driving without due care .

And if you have 300rwkw and do it its called Dangerous Driving

**Stav** · 04-10-2005, 09:32 PM

I noticed you are in Victoria.The police have zero tolerance for speeding too.If you guys do 61 in a 60 zone your booked.In NSW they are a bit more reasonable and allow a tad above for leniency and practicality. If I was that copper i personally would have not stopped you unless you were doing something technically wrong or giving me a moon as you went by.

**Falcon Coupe** · 04-10-2005, 09:37 PM

Usless when you get your @ss into gear and go to the strip you won't have to rely on street race stories :P
And afaik you can get done for undue acceleration on the street even with no wheelspin.

**Stav** · 04-10-2005, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by L.F.C

yes it is illegal.

Its called driving without due care .

And if you have 300rwkw and do it its called Dangerous Driving

Yes we do owe each and every other driver a duty of care ( negligence) to not harm others in any way by our actions. If you are out in the country with no one around but wild pigs and you accelerate to the speed limit do you commit an offence? No..you do not.unless the law states that we owe a duty of care to wild pigs.In which case we may be pulled up by the law.
I think when there are more people around as in suburbia this same scenario would pose a greater threat and chance of our duty to drive safely for others.

**Stav** · 04-10-2005, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

Usless when you get your @ss into gear and go to the strip you won't have to rely on street race stories :P
And afaik you can get done for undue acceleration on the street even with no wheelspin.

What street race stories? Not me mate!! :yeees:

Can get booked for my slow driving too?

MO · 04-10-2005, 09:52 PM

Useless its going nowhere...check your traffic/road rules/act.

**Stav** · 04-10-2005, 09:55 PM

Right on mate!!BTW Do I look like I can speed at this age? I need my walking stick to press the accelerator!!

2nd midlife crisis !!

XA-Coupe · 04-10-2005, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by useless

Yes we do owe each and every other driver a duty of care ( negligence) to not harm others in any way by our actions. If you are out in the country with no one around but wild pigs and you accelerate to the speed limit do you commit an offence? No..you do not.unless the law states that we owe a duty of care to wild pigs.In which case we may be pulled up by the law.
I think when there are more people around as in suburbia this same scenario would pose a greater threat and chance of our duty to drive safely for others.

Undue noise (if it's loud)
Undue noise ( if you screech )
The NSW Anti Hoon laws ( just for you up there

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Dangerous driving ( if the situation has any mitigating circumstances )
If two of you do it there is a rarely used Street Racing law ( in vic )

Thats after 5+ years of not being in the job, ask a traffic officer the same question and I am sure he will come up with even better things.

Going flat out to 60 in a honda scamp isn't much, going flat out to 60 in a Ferrari Enzo is dangerous.

XA-Coupe · 04-10-2005, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by useless

Right on mate!!BTW Do I look like I can speed at this age? I need my walking stick to press the accelerator!!

2nd midlife crisis !!

looks like a giant candy cane .. take your falsies out and gum it whilst your beige camry gets to 60

WizBang · 04-10-2005, 09:59 PM

It was just on the news about two clowns drag racing in Bayswater just a hour ago and someone pulled out of a side street and one of the cars T-boned him as they were doing about 100 in a 70 zone and killed the person coming out of the side street which is just a waste and thats why you keep this sort of stuff on the track

xr8ute · 04-10-2005, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by useless

Right on mate!!BTW Do I look like I can speed at this age?

Damn...thats a big candy cane

Edit: Hmm...XA Coupe, you beat me to it, lol

**Stav** · 04-10-2005, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wazza3710

It was just on the news about two clowns drag racing in Bayswater just a hour ago and someone pulled out of a side street and one of the cars T-boned him as they were doing about 100 in a 70 zone and killed the person coming out of the side street which is just a waste and thats why you keep this sort of stuff on the track

This is the type of behaviour which is wrong. These guys were going speeds that an unforeseen third party has become victim.100 kays in a 70 zone is disgracefull. They did not consider that their brakes wont stop quick or that there are other people around.That is a blatant breach of duty of care and criminal too/.

**Stav** · 04-10-2005, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8ute

Damn...thats a big candy cane

Edit: Hmm...XA Coupe, you beat me to it, lol

Mate ....the best part is the double dose of Viagra!! Thats why I need the walking stick!!

AGRO · 04-10-2005, 10:07 PM

O.K then fella's.
You accelerate flate out from an intersection, no wheel spin, stock car....is this breaking the law?????
1: In a V8???
2: In a datto 180B????
What do they class as dangerous acceleration??????
My point.....A datto flooring it at an intersection with no wheel spin, will be slower than the V8 at mild acceleration!!!!!
So will I get booked in the Datto then????

AGRO.

**Stav** · 04-10-2005, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AGRO

O.K then fella's.
You accelerate flate out from an intersection, no wheel spin, stock car....is this breaking the law?????
1: In a V8???
2: In a datto 180B????
What do they class as dangerous acceleration??????
My point.....A datto flooring it at an intersection with no wheel spin, will be slower than the V8 at mild acceleration!!!!!
So will I get booked in the Datto then????

AGRO.

That is my point!!tHE NITTY GRITTY!!

XA-Coupe · 04-10-2005, 10:09 PM

They will probably just feel sorry for you if you are in the datto

MO · 04-10-2005, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AGRO

O.K then fella's.
You accelerate flate out from an intersection, no wheel spin, stock car....is this breaking the law?????
1: In a V8???
2: In a datto 180B????
What do they class as dangerous acceleration??????
My point.....A datto flooring it at an intersection with no wheel spin, will be slower than the V8 at mild acceleration!!!!!
So will I get booked in the Datto then????

AGRO.

It all depends on the mood of the copper at the time...as XA Coupe can vouch for...anything that is deemed by the cop to be out of the norm can get you booked.

Fairlane · 04-10-2005, 10:15 PM

If a copper wants to book you, he'll book you. The trick is not to get them wanting to book you.

Remember if you annoy the police too much, they'll usually find a way to defect you.

MO · 04-10-2005, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by XA Coupe

They will probably just feel sorry for you if you are in the datto

don't know about that....when one can get clocked at 170+ in a datto by a speed camera......typical Vic.

JC · 04-10-2005, 10:18 PM

I generally get away from the lights (if I'm first cab off the rank) as quickly as I can. I don't always mash the pedal to the floor, but 1/2 to 3/4 throttle to the speed limit, then I set my cruise (unless there's another red light, of course). I think that if every driver did this when they were first in line at the lights, traffic would flow better as everyone could get away from a standstill a bit quicker and more cars would get through each light change.

Also, if some joker wants to give me a run at the lights, I am more than happy to oblige up to the speed limit. I cannot for the life of me see how outright acceleration can be coinsidered dangerous - wheel spin etc in the dry, or flat out in the wet is a different story, as there is always a chance of the car moving/sliding sideways, but acceleration in a straight line on a clear road could not seriously be considered dangerous. The comparison of a 180B and V8 above is the perfect illustration of this.

As for the guy that got T boned in Bayswater, does anyone for a minute think that perhaps if the driver had've given way, then there would have been no accident, just 2 idiots racing? I don't condone street racing or excessive speeding, and yes, of course speed was a factor, but so was failure to give way. The give way rules apply to all traffic, not just those doing the speed limit.