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**GO FURTHER** · 14-10-2021, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by J Arthur Rank

What's the point I wonder? You can't believe a word out of those dickheads mouths anyway (CCP, not the citizens). If they were interested in transparency rather than saving face, they'd have shown some since the beginning.

I would have to agree.

The blood samples should be tested by an independent panel of testers from a combination of countries, appointed by the United Nations for complete transparency.

Mulva · 14-10-2021, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

I think the jail term under 12 months was deliberate, as to not affect their longer term job and travel prospects.

Fake license, fake tenancy agreement, lied on G2G pass.

If they are convicted for fraud I'd say that screws their jobs...fraud conviction definitely not something you'd want as a financial planner, and I don't think conviction is good for the other guy that has a liquor license either?

I mean might have seemed like a good idea at the time but I wonder if they thought through the possibly long-term ramifications, or if they just thought "And if things go south we'll get a good QC and buy our way out of trouble" without thinking of the severity of the possible charges...assuming they go for fraud that is, but hard to see how they don't?

Heard Titus O'Riley on the radio today saying, Melbourne supporters in prison, they're probably sending back their meals and asking to speak to the chef.

Yellow_Festiva · 14-10-2021, 09:15 PM

This is Covid related but out of left field.

Local court house is not allowing 'spectators' in and a person I have been reporting on is finally in before the judge end of next week.

Would love to be there to see what happens. Having said that it's only a 'mention' which is (from what I understand) a procedural attendance and they will use that day to book their final hearing where they get their punishment.

I already asked at the court house directly and they are not allowing anyone in till the end of the month. I'm hoping the final hearing date pushes through to November where the rules may change.

People allowed in: The accused, their representation and up to 2 support persons for the accused.

Will make a call tomorrow. Everything I'm finding is about people asking for permission to leave their area or cross borders.

Ben73 · 14-10-2021, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor 57

and why aren't you 2 criticising this post - it is the same as mine?

The point of that post was me basically saying either everyone should get freedom, or no one. I don't like this idea of only some getting it.

I know many people who are either waiting for their first vaccine, second vaccine or waiting 2 weeks after the second to be fully covered. It's not just anti vax conspiracy theorists who are disadvantaged right now.

I know they want business back to normal asap, but people who are in limbo waiting shouldn't feel like they are missing out.

It's pretty stupid that a week ago a filthy unvaxed scumbag could buy a takeaway coffee, but now someone who has only 1 vaccine dose cannot buy a coffee because they are filthy unwashed scum.
It makes no sense.

I'd like to point out I don't think unvaxxed people are scum, it just seems society like to look down on them now.
I'm using satire to exaggerate a point

Citroënbender · 14-10-2021, 09:35 PM

YF, are you potentially an interested party? That should at least allow you to be informed as to how it went. Maybe you can first speak to the registrar and then follow up with print.

slowsnake · 14-10-2021, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FTE217

yes thats how it presents, they are special eh.
AFL/NRL the main culprits - could have been worse could have been better.
I don't watch or get into the southern one BUT having been locked up and wearing out my couch as many of us have was thankful to watch sport even though I'm no nrl tragic thats for sure, watched more games recently than I have in 10yrs lol......
Shame they come across as entitled spoilt mongrels but thats their dna and culture.

No, that's their personal choice!.......

slowsnake · 14-10-2021, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

A lot of them don't trust the white man.

A lot of white men don't trust the indigenous population, nothing to do with racism, just have to be cautious around them, the grog is their issue, nothing else matters when you are thirsty!....any race, not just aboriginal!

I see em every time I go out, and avoid where possible, especially if they are ****ed, I don't trust em unless they are teetotallers, then it's all good with me!

Falcon SXR8 · 14-10-2021, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

It's pretty stupid that a week ago a filthy unvaxed scumbag could buy a takeaway coffee, but now someone who has only 1 vaccine dose cannot buy a coffee because they are filthy unwashed scum.
It makes no sense.

Just wait until we bring boosters in, it'll be filthy non booster people segregated from society, selfish anti boosters they will be.

Ben73 · 14-10-2021, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

Just wait until we bring boosters in, it'll be filthy non booster people segregated from society, selfish anti boosters they will be.

Can't wait. I wonder if the government will order enough boosters before they make it compulsory or will they do exactly what they've done this time?

On a slightly related note I think anyone who has let their DTP vaccine run out shouldn't be allowed to participate in society.
Mine is up to date. That's all that matters. If anyone on here has let theirs run out well all I can say is "look who is suffering from the consequences of their own actions"
I've seen that phrase thrown around a lot lately.

If you haven't had a DTP vaccine in the last 10 years you're unvaccinated.

Trevor 57 · 15-10-2021, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

The point of that post was me basically saying either everyone should get freedom, or no one. I don't like this idea of only some getting it.

I know many people who are either waiting for their first vaccine, second vaccine or waiting 2 weeks after the second to be fully covered. It's not just anti vax conspiracy theorists who are disadvantaged right now.

I know they want business back to normal asap, but people who are in limbo waiting shouldn't feel like they are missing out.

It's pretty stupid that a week ago a filthy unvaxed scumbag could buy a takeaway coffee, but now someone who has only 1 vaccine dose cannot buy a coffee because they are filthy unwashed scum.
It makes no sense.

I'd like to point out I don't think unvaxxed people are scum, it just seems society like to look down on them now.
I'm using satire to exaggerate a point

ummmm, how long have vaccines been available

Yes I know at the start they were limiting to 1a, 1b etc but it hasn't been that way for a long time

Why should my wife and I and most of my family who took the opportunity early to be vaccinated when it became available to us be held back because of some peoples laziness, attitude, bloody mindedness, lethargy - what ever?????

We all know people are only rushing forward now for 2 reasons:
1: The DELTA variant has people worried
2: People are worried they won't get in anywhere

Trevor 57 · 15-10-2021, 07:15 AM

on another note, I see yesterday that they are stopping production of the AstraZeneca

No surprise in that, I guess they must be confident of supply of Moderna and Pfizer now

slowsnake · 15-10-2021, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

Just wait until we bring boosters in, it'll be filthy non booster people segregated from society, selfish anti boosters they will be.

You sound very angry!...not worth getting grey hair over it!

slowsnake · 15-10-2021, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

Can't wait. I wonder if the government will order enough boosters before they make it compulsory or will they do exactly what they've done this time?

On a slightly related note I think anyone who has let their DTP vaccine run out shouldn't be allowed to participate in society.
Mine is up to date. That's all that matters. If anyone on here has let theirs run out well all I can say is "look who is suffering from the consequences of their own actions"
I've seen that phrase thrown around a lot lately.

If you haven't had a DTP vaccine in the last 10 years you're unvaccinated.

Why not tell everyone what your DTP means, I have not got the slightest idea that I have had or need boosting with a vaccine I never knew I had or needed, assuming D = diphtheria would T = tetanus and P?...and I could google but I want you to tell me and others who don't really know what it is, and, why without it I and others cannot participate in society!

Citroënbender · 15-10-2021, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Trevor 57

on another note, I see yesterday that they are stopping production of the AstraZeneca

No surprise in that, I guess they must be confident of supply of Moderna and Pfizer now

Nothing’s more Australian than passing up local production in favour of an imported item.

slowsnake · 15-10-2021, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Nothing’s more Australian than passing up local production in favour of an imported item.

Reminds me of an old Frank Zappa song, Cheepnis, 1973 " Live at the Roxy" was the album, not sure why it was not called Cheapness, the spelling was intentional and cheap!

About 60's Japanese monster movie, you see Godzilla being pushed out of a cave by a 4x2 timber, that's cheapness, and its the same now, everything is cheaper if made in Asia, vaccines included!

Trevor 57 · 15-10-2021, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Nothing’s more Australian than passing up local production in favour of an imported item.

particularly when the imported product is safer for the wider population

So, you are not going to have the Moderna or Pfizer coz it's imported - cool

I thought the Victorian Government was negotiating with someone to start production of a vaccine in Victoria other than AZ - I can't remember the details

Citroënbender · 15-10-2021, 09:57 AM

Unfortunately the concept of a “safer” vaccine has likely caused deaths where people eschewed the readily available option in favour of waiting, unprotected.

The twelve week period has mostly not bothered me, the last week has dragged a bit. And as our mate in Newcastle alludes to, I’ll absolutely be one of the people taking it cautiously in the fortnight after my next dosage. If the government asked us to wait a fortnight or month longer in Sydney while they had a red hot go at raising vaccination levels in remote indigenous populations, I’d wear it.

In terms of risk, an interesting snippet from just weeks ago: https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/cli...n-past-week-tg

**russellw** · 15-10-2021, 10:47 AM

NSW/VIC

NSW records 400 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 0.9695 (from 0.9680) while the actual line remains above the predictive trend line and based on the 3rd order polynomial, that trend line has a downward curve.

VIC records 2,297 cases in the current period (another new record) and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.0356 (from 1.0688) while the actual line is back about level with the predictive trend.

Trevor 57 · 15-10-2021, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

In terms of risk, an interesting snippet from just weeks ago: https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/cli...n-past-week-tg

even more interesting is the comments by the Doctors below the comments

ford71V8 · 15-10-2021, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

This is Covid related but out of left field.

Local court house is not allowing 'spectators' in and a person I have been reporting on is finally in before the judge end of next week.

Would love to be there to see what happens. Having said that it's only a 'mention' which is (from what I understand) a procedural attendance and they will use that day to book their final hearing where they get their punishment.

I already asked at the court house directly and they are not allowing anyone in till the end of the month. I'm hoping the final hearing date pushes through to November where the rules may change.

People allowed in: The accused, their representation and up to 2 support persons for the accused.

Will make a call tomorrow. Everything I'm finding is about people asking for permission to leave their area or cross borders.

Whats on your side here is the speed at which things move in the court system. Pandemic will likely be over before the next hearing

**russellw** · 15-10-2021, 01:04 PM

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT October 14th 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

2,690 new cases for Australia (another record high) and 18 deaths so the CMR is 1.099%.

72 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.580%.

The UK had 44,556 cases yesterday and 157 deaths for a CMR of 1.662%.

101,715 new cases in the USA yesterday and 2,276 deaths sees CMR at 1.625%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 240M, the last 1M in 2 days;
Europe passes 61M cases;

Latvia (2,408);
Australia (2,690); and
Russia (31,299) - the previous high on 24/12/20;

... recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while no countries drop below.

Citroënbender · 15-10-2021, 01:16 PM

Some “courageous” decisions coming out of the NSW government today.

1. End to quarantine (home or hotel) for international arrivals who are demonstrably vaccinated and pass a PCR test prior to arrival.

2. Delay in permission to travel between Sydney and regional NSW until 1^st November.

NB: All other “80% milestone” details as per existing NSW roadmap.

**cs123** · 15-10-2021, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Some “courageous” decisions coming out of the NSW government today.

1. End to quarantine (home or hotel) for international arrivals who are demonstrably vaccinated and pass a PCR test prior to arrival.

2. Delay in permission to travel between Sydney and regional NSW until 1^st November.

NB: All other “80% milestone” details as per existing NSW roadmap.

It's going to be a tale of two countries soon.

NSW, Vic, ACT vs QLD, WA, NT, SA, Tas

T3rminator · 15-10-2021, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Some “courageous” decisions coming out of the NSW government today.

1. End to quarantine (home or hotel) for international arrivals who are demonstrably vaccinated and pass a PCR test prior to arrival.

2. Delay in permission to travel between Sydney and regional NSW until 1^st November.

NB: All other “80% milestone” details as per existing NSW roadmap.

Not sure "courageous" is the appropriate term. There is an interesting pattern emerging with NSW premiers, making big calls without thinking through the ramifications to other states. Whilst it will realistically not increase the risk for NSW, VIC and ACT, other states that aren’t vaxxed yet will need to up their border patrol. NT isn’t due to hit 80% double dose until 2nd week of Dec. You can bet there will be more than a handful of tourists / backpackers coming here for a jolly good time that will try sneak across.

The national roadmap said 70% and 80% national average for a very good reason.

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 15-10-2021, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cs123

It's going to be a tale of two countries soon.

NSW, Vic, ACT vs QLD, WA, NT, SA, Tas

I think we've been at that point for a while now. But it's going to become a bigger divide.

tweeked · 15-10-2021, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Not sure "courageous" is the appropriate term. There is an interesting pattern emerging with NSW premiers, making big calls without thinking through the ramifications to other states. Whilst it will realistically not increase the risk for NSW, VIC and ACT, other states that aren’t vaxxed yet will need to up their border patrol. NT isn’t due to hit 80% double dose until 2nd week of Dec. You can bet there will be more than a handful of tourists / backpackers coming here for a jolly good time that will try sneak across.

The national roadmap said 70% and 80% national average for a very good reason.

We are talking people who have tested negative and that are fully vaxxed. Less of a risk than the general NSW population. Sounds like they have considered the ramifications, and discounted the hysteria.

Citroënbender · 15-10-2021, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Not sure "courageous" is the appropriate term.

It’s from Yes, Prime Minister.

T3rminator · 15-10-2021, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

It’s from Yes, Prime Minister.

Lol, haven't watched it, but I did just read that the decision bypassed the Prime Minister and national cabinet

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Originally Posted by tweeked

We are talking people who have tested negative and that are fully vaxxed. Less of a risk than the general NSW population. Sounds like they have considered the ramifications, and discounted the hysteria.

Yeh, tests administered by airlines, and we know how well that went previously with flights from India. Citizens of this country act differently to tourists / backpackers, its a different risk profile. The move will make perfect sense once we are vaxxed.

I'm guessing the national roadmap means nothing now.

T3rminator · 15-10-2021, 02:58 PM

So the hologram is actually a functional anti fraud measure!

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‘They will become more desperate’: Vaccination fraudsters shut down

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...13-p58zle.html

How to check if a vaccine certificate is real in Victoria
View the certificate as part of the Service Victoria app check-in process, rather than just the vaccine certificate by itself.

When someone checks in with the Service Victoria app, a flickering State Victoria symbol will appear in the background. In the Service Victoria app, the moving Australian coat of arms should appear in the background. The fake certificates have a flickering line.

The valid certificate in the Service Victoria app only contains name, date of birth and ‘valid from’. Fake certificates can also include document number, healthcare identifier, vaccination types, last updated and disclaimer.

Source: Professor Matt Warren, Director of the RMIT University Centre for Cyber Security Research & Innovation

Citroënbender · 15-10-2021, 03:00 PM

To be serious, I think the big announcement by NSW is a strategy play.

If the Prime Minister attempts to intervene in pursuit of conformity by NSW with the National Roadmap, then it raises the stakes for reasonable expectation that other states will also be addressed with respect to mooted deviations from that document.