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23-07-2023, 12:24 PM | #1 | ||
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As asked above, why are australian cops so strict on speed? considering other developed countries have higher speed limits but less fatalities than Aus
What would it take for Australia to get higher speed limits? |
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23-07-2023, 12:30 PM | #2 | ||
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Oh my, new account coming right out the gate with this hot topic
Because it makes money, the vast majority of speeding fines are for under 10km/h under the limit enforced by cameras here in Victoria, that's why they dedicate so much resources to it. You can't justify it in any way that doing 5 over the limit and having the fine issued weeks later from a camera is about safety - that's two thirds of the fines every quarter in VIC. 100% fake news, Big hole in the VIC budget at the moment with $8-$10B/year in interest payments alone, with a government that owns no sources of revenue aside from speed cameras. Good luck easier to set up a human colony on Mars than addressing that elephant in the room. |
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Don't think I've seen this happening for 20+ years now.
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so does that mean they still give around 10% leeway? |
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Cos speed kills.
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Its funny here, people drive faster on smaller roads than say in the UK and asia. But on highways, they drive faster.
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Its as Franco said, it a great money earner. Income from speed and mobile phone fines are a budget income line item these days and budgeted to increase year on year. State economies can't do without them. Road construction also exponentially increases as the speed goes up. Road bases need to be made deeper with better materials to suit the speed and that isn't something governments aren't interested in doing. Plus there is the basic premise that Aussie drivers are both incapable and not responsible enough to drive at those speeds. People around here are barely capable of driving at 60 or 80, let alone 130, and don't maintain their cars properly in order to do it. Laws are made for the lowest common denominator. |
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23-07-2023, 01:51 PM | #12 | ||
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Spend a bit of time out in the Western suburbs, people are either doing 30 under the limit on the freeway or 200+ - every morning I've come across some monster doing warp speed and changing across four lanes in amongst the snails
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Is this Melbourne you're talking about?
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Actually, going back to the title of your topic, to be honest, I don't think cops are strict on speed....well not in this area from my experience. There was a talk back radio on the other day asking why in 2023, Vic had a higher fatality rate than NSW, yet had less roads (pretty crude way to compare). Plenty of callers from NSW saying they were surprised how little our roads are policed compared to NSW when they crossed over.
I think the "strictness" comes from gov with their fixed and contracted mobile speed cameras. Not the actual cops patrolling.
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23-07-2023, 02:34 PM | #17 | |||
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Otherwise, when it comes to demerit points I've got a mint driving record, and I spent 12 years driving like a flog. Hell I've only been brethoed maybe 3 or four times and one was last week and it was a setup of young ones, its like they wheel out the new recruits out somewhere and get them on the bretho. Its the cameras and for the higher range offences they come down on hard here, otherwise the vast majority of traffic enforcement comes from cameras. When I did my road trip and went through NSW, I only saw two NSW highway patrol on the entire trip of their coast, one speed trap at Nambucca Heads and one in Forster chasing someone on a dirtbike in the industrial estate. Also I reckon some of the infringements are weighted that they're not too unpalatable and its done on purpose - using your phone while driving is only 4 points and around $600, its not that much of a disincentive to not use your phone while driving but they make it out like its the end of the world from a safety perspective. If they were so concerned then how come its not instant suspension of your licence on the spot and four figures? Or the way in VIC that speeding fines are weighted - 10-24 over the limit is $370 and 3 points, but under 10 over is 1 point and $231. So why even bother doing 10 over you might as well as do 24 over (unless its a 110 zone then 20 over is loss of licence), its the best value speeding fine on the market. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 23-07-2023 at 02:58 PM. |
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It's a fine on normal human behaviour, so it's virtually guaranteed that there will be a steady stream of revenue. I don't doubt a proportion of HWP cops believe their own bulldust and think they're making the roads safer, but as a NSW HWP told me, the majority of people he fined for speeding werent doing anything dangerous. They fine you because they can, not because they need to.
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I don't understand how people can speed in Melbourne without losing their license |
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Yet on other countries cops routinely ignore people driving over the speed limit, as long as they're not driving dangerously etc Why isn't this the case in Australia? |
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They're 130 zones And most people drive at 150-160 ish Not to mention France and Italy have a road toll similar to Australia Our draconian speed enforcement isn't saving lives |
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23-07-2023, 03:25 PM | #25 | ||
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I wouldn't say its the cops being strict, they're just working to the letter of the law much the same as an Electrician or a Plumber works to a set standard.
I once sarcastically asked a copper how much money he'd made that day. His answer was blunt "I couldn't tell you, but I do know how many demerit points I've taken away today and thats what really hurts people" That rings true to me, I don't remember my last fine but do remember the points I lost over it.
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Sure but the point I'm trying to make is that they don't use discretion In other countries cops routinely ignore people driving over the speed limit as long as they're not driving dangerously Many of these countries have road tolls similar to Australia, and lower in some cases |
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I was over in WA a few years ago when I heard the top cop of the state being interviewed, on the radio, about speed camera revenue.
It was down about 6 Million on the year before. His attitude was not "The speed cameras are working for us as the offences are down" It was "Oh what will we do we have just lost 6 Million" So blatant as to be nauseating. Says it all really. |
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