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non vaccinated it states no admission and no ICU, so these could be people that died but had Covid in their system when the autopsy was performed, they could have died in a car crash or had a stroke whatever, as there was no admission does not say they fought it to the end it just says that they were not admitted for Covid. The way I read it, is that the non vaccinated are not being admitted to hospital, they are not clogging up the ICU's, its the vaccinated that seems to be the problem and it seems the more doses you have had the more chance you have of being admitted the figures speak for themselves. admitted, ICU, deaths Four or more doses 810 58 53 Three doses 377 29 19 Two doses 218 17 9 One dose 10 1 1 No dose 0 0 6 Unknown 364 35 7 Total 1779 140 95 . Last edited by prktkljokr; 07-01-2023 at 07:36 PM. |
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We lost a hand full within our circle in year 1. But then no bad news in year 2 or 3 from memory.
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But we will still be told what is good for us whether it is or not, there is no definite proof that it does and there is no proof that it doesn't, like you say its time that will reveal the real truth and its affects.
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I remember state, federal and world leaders telling us over and over that it is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Doesn't seem to be the case any more.
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This is why we have Covid deaths added to the statistic weeks after the person died. It seems by the statistics, that you are more likely to be hospitalised and to die with Covid if you are 70 years old or older, a lot of these people have died from other causes but had Covid at the time, so it is recorded as a Covid death. Quote:
Remember when they used to cure disease and vaccinations actually worked, hmmm, that does not seem to be the case now does it? |
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How can anyone draw any conclusions, either way, when the definition of "vaccinated" is not what it was 18 months ago?
Assuming "vaccinated" means anyone who has had 2 shots. Most people would have had their 2nd shot during the mandated period. That was some 18 months ago. "Experts" told us that efficacy wanes to pretty much useless a few months afterwards, which has now LONG passed. So anyone who hasn't had a booster lately should be counted as "unvaccincated"..........but I bet they aren't. So either that "experts" were telling porkies when they said the efficacy wanes to nothing after a few months, or the stats of vaccinated vs unvaccinated is now unreliable?
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What I don't understand is how after a couple of years, these people can't get on the ****en same page.
First it was that we're not going to test Chinese travellers and then not much after that we are going to. The CMO comes out and says that it was against medical advice. FFS get your **** together please! I mean I was trying to even figure out my updated status the other day but depends on your age and whether it is recommended, not available. I have the 2 dose main course plus one booster. I caught the rona in September so I could get a 4th if I wanted to but it's not recommended. And by that I mean they don't say I should get the 4th but also say I don't have too. It's available ![]() So technically I'm up to date and that's enough for me. I don't bother paying much attention and won't until something really significant happens. |
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I have had the 4 recommended shots and will take advise from my treating doctor if there are any more recommended booster shots when I see him next on my regular visit to him. Cheers PS: To date my wife and I have had not been infected by Covid as far as we are aware of and hopefully, we don't. |
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To be honest I'm over the whole thing ......just do what you think is right for you and your family situation.....the whole thing has been twisted into such a beurecratic conspiracle nightmare by all sorts of people with different agendas ,most people know what's the right thing to do......after four years or however long it's been and you still haven't figured out what's right for you then flip a coin ,.....but the non believers still have a crusade to convert the rest .....and here we go on and on and on
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I'm on the fence here I dont care either way, but I do know im not letting them stick stuff into me that they rushed through in 6 months with a little rushed testing, we are the lab rats here. |
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In Australia if there its a clear cut irrefutable non covid related cause of death even while infected with covid it will not be counted as a statistic. So if the death is from trauma after running your car into a tree at high speed, are shot or commit suicide for instance while infected with covid its NOT counted as a covid death for statistic purposes. But in other countries it may be. I think USA count these deaths in their statistics. Or if they aren't anymore they were originally. |
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More on topic, a subtle but thorough slamming of our governments keeping a veil of secrecy over the data and modelling that was used to inform strategies. Not a good look either from a transparency viewpoint or reciprocal sharing of data with overseas contributors whose choice to publish theirs, perhaps helped us. Worth a read. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-...recy/101827548 |
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I do have a few dead vaxed friends that seemed to get heart and blood problems after the vaccination, coincidence?, I dont think so, seeing that the companies that released the vaccines have even admitted that it causes these problems in some people, so they have pretty much killed these people, but a small mortality rate is ok, would you be happy if your wife, mother, father, child, sister or brother was one of these people who had a fatal reaction to the vaccine? Did you also know that the companies that make these vaccines that you are taking are exempt from any prosecution resulting from said vaccine? |
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The example that made public headline was, a journo asked a public official that if someone got hit by a bus and died, but had tested positive to covid a week beforehand, would that be in the covid statistics, the answer was yes. After that they changed their method to be better in line with the WHO guidelines.
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I will look at the facts though and here is why I reached my decision ( you don't even have to read it if you don't want, I don't care ) What is the vaccine going to do for ME if I take it? this is what I look at before I make decisions regarding my health, for ME the facts speak for themselves, you and others may see it differently and that's your choice. From a random Covid vaccine website Quote:
Safer way to build protection?, pretty sure that's what everyone who has been vaccinated thought before they were vaccinated then caught Covid. Supposedly I am less likely to contract it?, but there is no guarantee I wont, as most people that are vaccinated have. Prevents serious illness, hmmm, the 1478 vaccinated people who were admitted to hospital in the 2 week period last month and the 83 that died in NSW thought that too? Reliable way of getting protection, umm no, protected for 2 months only supposedly, then you are no different to the unvaccinated. Protection against being hospitalised, pretty sure the 1478 last month thought that too. They also say that if you have underlying health issues you should have it, well I have underlying respitory health issues, but have had Covid with no ill effects at all. I can still contract it, vaccinated or not I can still spread it, vaccinated or not I can still be hospitalised from it, vaccinated or not I can still die from it, vaccinated or not There is no guarantee that the symptoms will be less severe, vaccinated or not No guarantee that I will recover quickly, vaccinated or not. Then there is the vaccine itself, it was hurried along, untested and not approved when they released it to the masses, the experts then found there were some fatal side affects in a few people and some long lasting side affects, I'm sorry I am not being a test rat and lining up for it, if it was a known working, non side affect vaccine I would be there with my sleeve rolled up, but its not there yet. So in a nutshell its no different if I chose not to have it. Like I said before, I have had Covid it was not that bad Am I kicking myself for not getting vaccinated?, No Did I spread it?, probably Do I think the symptoms would have been less severe if I was vaccinated?, I very much doubt it. Will I catch it again?, I would say most definitely Will I recover?, I have no doubt now. So do I need the vaccination?, I don't think so, I can see no benefit for ME, my family or the community if I do or don't My family have their own thoughts, my wife weighed it up and decided to wait, mother in law who is 85 and has a liquorice assortment of health conditions weighed it up and decided no, my son decided to get vaccinated, but only for work purposes because he had to, other wise he was not fussed either way, we have all had Covid, for none of us it was severe at all, so I still stand beside MY own decision, as I would say they do too. They are also saying you are more immune to not catching Covid after just having it, so technically I am naturally immunised by having had it. |
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This thread has jumped the shark, again...
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Past topics x new data ➗ new contributors = new discussion?
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Then you came along....... Please take your venomous comments somewhere else or start behaving like a grown up.
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