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Did I read somewhere that the Falcon version runs a higher boost than the Mondeo version? If so, would this likely have an effect on emissions with the higher combustion temperatures? |
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Coupled with the slightly larger interior of the 2013 Fusion, the 2.0 EB in the coming Mondeo could be very interesting indeed.. |
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Peter Car
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Probably does, but the higher power version is also used in Focus ST, Explorer, Euro market Mondeos and others, which all have to be Euro 5 or higher spec.
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Shipping a vehicle over the ocean contributes very little pollution.
I think you'd probably find the amount of carbon emitted to ship a car from Japan to Australia, would be less than it is to ship it from the docks to the dealer.
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*conspiracy theory cap on*
One gets the distinct impression Ford Australia had no interest in meeting the emmision requirements. I wonder if this was a deliberate decision. This may well well have suited Ford US plan to shut down production by killing off the Falcon. Ford Aus issue atm is the amount of publicity the issue of the Ecoboost Falcon not reaching a high enough emmision score. I wonder how long before the Federal Government starts asking questions of Ford e.g. when will FoA send a Falcon overseas for testing to certify Euro 5/6 compliance. The last thing Ford US want is for Falcon sales to improve.
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#156 | |||
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They are making every accommodation possible to to keep production in Australia. Where else in the Ford world do you see a plant with such low production and if they wanted to stop production, they wouldn't much around like this... The ACART emissions lab is set for an upgrade to Euro 5 and 6 in the near future, Euro 5 and 6 requires manufacturers to guarantee emission compliance until 160, 000 km which means low sulphur oil and timed emission maintenance schedule, the reductions in emissions between Euro 4 to 5 to 6 is actually quite small, the big jump was Euro 3 to 4 all of which costs money to develop but if Ford doesn't have to meet Euro 5 until Nov 2016 , I doubt they will do it.... |
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The problem with this is it's 1980's thinking when we are in 2012. The days when companies can sit back, rely on word of mouth and not be proactive about building a brand are gone. In this day and age, with lives so hectic and attention spans shorter, companies need to find ways to stay in the front of peoples minds AND still be relevant. Sitting back (and doing nothing) while every news outlet in country runs headlines that "Ford Falcon is dead", "Ford to shut down Australian operations" does not do the Brand any good at all. Sure you are in front of peoples minds but for all the wrong reasons. If Ford were to get on the front foot, invest in getting these engines rated properly, and then scream it from the rooftops perhaps they might at least go down swinging. Advertise the fact that with the green funding from the government Australia's large cars are now just as eco-friendly and cost less than some smaller cars to run. At least by doing this it might shame the government into buying them. Anyway, the way I see it the coach has left the ringside while the old champion takes a beating. Sad days indeed. |
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Rob
Join Date: Sep 2006
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i think falcon takes way too much of the focus. territory is selling reasonably well and should be the lead singer from now on, based on how each segment of the locals is performing. one thing that many lose sight of is the fact that overall sales of FORD (not falcon car company) are actually doing quite well. obviously this has little bearing on the feasability of the local product but i believe that for a short period, they can carry the locals. ford have said themselves that the current levels are ok but not sustainable long term. i guess it depends on the definition of short term and long term. they may already have plans in place for post 2016 (i would say definitely) but just because they don't show their hand doesn't mean it doesn't involve local production. |
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Peter Car
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I still think local assembly of something like Mondeo and export throughout asia is their only hope of continuing. I certainly hope so for the people in Broadmeadows, PD and stamping. Powertrain is screwed either way unless they could perform some sort of miracle and produce something else like a 4 cylinder petrol or diesel here, however unlikely that seems. |
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Slightly different tack, any idea how many I-6Ts are being made per day? I have a hunch that XR6T, G6ET and F6 have taken a beating this year.. |
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Peter Car
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Roughly 8-10 a day.
F6 around 2 or so. Its the petrol I6 Falcon that taking the beating I think ie. XR6. |
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So at best around 180-200 I-6 Turbo units a month...... |
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Had a read through the thread and took in all the points of view.
I would like to add that if Ford had spent that development time and money on putting a de tuned Coyote V8 in the FG in XR8 & G8E format, they would have sold a lot more of these than 53 to private buyers throughout Australia. The 4 cylinder Falcon was always going to be a hard sell to private buyers. I have no doubt it is a good drive train, it just needs to be in a Ford vehicle 250 KG lighter with a small frontal cross section. Cheers all
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Other than that, they couldn't give a stuff about it. Why else would they not advertise the new technology? Don't tell me they can't afford it.
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#167 | |||
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Happened before at plants in NSW and QLD., thats the cost of doing business in Australia today. I feel sorry for workers who have worked at these plants for decades, they have not a hope in hell of getting a job anywhere else, onto the dole q once they payout dough runs out. |
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![]() And for jobs you're going overboard there. I know people who took packages 18 months ago and had no problem finding jobs. Not everyone will have luck getting a new job but it won't be an issue for the majority. Maybe Ford could start building the F150 here and sell it for 23k. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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But BossXR8 is correct.
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#172 | ||
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i still cant believe one of the best sedans..if not the best...weve ever seen in australia is selling so badly. Its sad and amazing at the same time. Lets trust ford aus is doing the best they can in damage reduction and end up maybe giving us a new gobal model we can build here in aus and put the falcon badge or something else australian themed.
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Peter Car
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: geelong
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God I hope they don't stick Falcon badges on it.
Let it die with some dignity rather than become a FWD global car. A Falcon is an aussie designed, engineered and built RWD 6 or V8 (bar eb4), not a Euro designed FWD 4 potter. |
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#174 | |||
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On a tangent...I had an American cousin visit not too long ago and when he saw the XR8 being restored in the garage, he said 'you guys still make Falcons?'. On one hand it is an Australian icon, albeit an adopted one, and on the other hand it is ancient Ford history. **** |
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Let me tell you something else. That aint gunna happen. GAME OVER. Ford will be followed by GMH and Toyota soon after. Australia" The TOO Lucky Country". Have a read and tell me I'm wrong Very pessimistic but, hey, you cant beat the truth. |
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Bastard unions High costs involved Small market Nil export prospects Bizzare vehicle standards Low quality Overpriced [Cost of doing business here] etc Its nothing we have not seen before with whitegoods and electroincs, China is now the workshop of the world, get over it. They would sooner invest billions in China and India, where u automatically pick up a market of 2 billion plus v 20 million, not rocket science is it, and i doubt those goverments tip in a cent AND would not hinder either |
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BigT[tm.F/0] Toyota will be the last one standing here, because its a vastly better built product than the American owned, but made here jobs [thats u too LionKing] and actually has what the punters want to buy, the Camry and very strong export program to boot. Falcon had a 50 years run, thats amazing really, no shame in that! |
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The Falcon name is fine, if it wasnt for the name 'Falcon' it would be selling a lot less, almost Mondeo-type numbers.
There is no performance/luxury V8, there is no wagon and there is no diesel. No one ever wanted a 4 cylinder Falcon for a 6 cylinder price, and fleets moved elsewhere once Ford went to the trouble of developing EcoLPI and didnt even offer it in a wagon. Frankly the only thing saving Falcon and keeping it outselling cars like the Toyota Aurion, is its heritage. |
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