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True but when signing contracts with China you're effectively signing a lot away - agree to it or go away. Where were these golf clubs made? Some like taylormade and callaway are made in China already anyway.
Usually they have something like we won't compete with you in your own market but "we're free to market where you don't" type clause. Like Musk signed with them just to sell teslas in china, explicitly not US/Europe. Fine. Next thing China making all teslas for asia and Australia, after that they'll make their own from what they've learnt and sell their own version which will take over asia and australia sales. Some will blame China, but myself, I'll blame the company that allowed it to happen by opening factories there. Last edited by oldel; 05-06-2021 at 01:47 AM. |
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As for signing contracts that is how the world works. Australia got Boeing 727s because the Austra lian Government insisted on offset work being done here. the rudders and elevators for a majority of 727s were made either in Melbourne or Sydney. |
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Youd think this day in age that a disc brake rotor and calliper would be cheaper to manufacture than all the components such as springs, shoes, wheel cylinders and backing plates etc that go into the drum set-up
But obviously not if these cars still insist on using them. It's the fault of us consumers to a degree that everything is now made in China. We always want to pay less that and brand loyalty no longer exists anywhere...why? Well you get nothing in return for your faithful years of being brand loyal...you are seen as a cash cow ripe for the milking. Free trade also destroyed Australia...I mean didn't the boffins know that we would never be able to compete in a world wide market with our high Labor rates due to such high living expenses demanding high wages. This country has lost its way and there is only greed, misgovernment and corporate capitalism to blame.
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I heard that all EVs delivered to EU member states in the government sector will be china made. |
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I'm sure we all remember the witch hunt and roasting Ford copped over the Mustang's saftey score.
ANCAP wanted the Mustang crashed tested because it was a high selling model, and therefore stated it needed to be given a star rating in fairness to consumers. Ford refused and then ANCAP went and bought one. The rest is history. So, the MG 3 is one the countries highest selling cars, in higher volume than the Mustang for that matter. I would also state that the MG 3 is going to be driven by many as a first car and, dare I say, drivers less experienced than those who pilot a expensive performance car. ANCAP have NOT tested this car. https://howsafeisyourcar.com.au/mg/mg3/2020 NCAP have tested the MG 3 to 3-Stars, in 2014. It would be a 1-Star car at best if tested today. "So now we come to the elephant in the room, safety. Of course, if the MG 3 had a safety rating of five stars, we would now say something along the lines of 'it’s not exactly best in class for any one particular attribute, but given the price, we couldn't think of a better first car or second as a runabout'. However, that is not the case. With a three-star safety rating (Euro NCAP only), the MG 3 remains a choice that needs much consideration before committing."
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I went down from the bush to Brisbane yesterday and saw more MGs in that return trip than I have ever seen Opel/Commodores.
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Suzuki Baleno can be added to the list. How it's allowed I have no idea.
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I'll walk before I buy a Chinese car. (and yes, I'm well aware that the industry in which I work sells most of it's ore to China, I'm not professing any moral high-ground, just my personal choice.) |
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Famous last words. I had an uncle and aunty that said a similar thing about buying a Japanese car in the 60's. By the mid 70's they bought a Toyota Crown and for the next 30years they just kept upgrading with same brand. Chinese cars will be no different.
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Why? Completely Different People Completely Different Culture Completely Different Government Completely Different Economic System Completely Different Moral Code Completely Different approach to Quality I'm sure that most of us either have friends, co-workers, or grew-up with guys of "Chinese" heritage. Maybe we even think that some of their characteristics are due to that "Heritage." But don't confuse them with the PRC. Besides even if they were to follow the same trajectory, I'll be dead before it happens. |
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But if the reason they're not buying Chinese is political or philosophical, then you're dead wrong.
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Nothing political about my post, all about quality. Quality will pick up faster with the Chinese more than with the Japanese and Koreans due the technology car manufacturing use these days.
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For day to day driving there’s simply nothing wrong with the Chinese makes. Most people’s problems with them are just that they’re Chinese. There’s Chinese cars that are 6 or 7 years old I see on the roads and they still look fine, not falling apart, paint looks good. Compare a $40k GWM Cannon X to a $65k Wildtrack and find the $25k difference between the two. Ranger might drive better, but $25k better? |
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![]() I see a lot of MG3s on the road, not so much the SUV variations. Tell you what I could be enticed by an MG3 with boost under the hood, that's for sure. I used to be all Fillet Mignon, now I'm a fan of the cheaper cuts ![]() |
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exactly....I just bought a LDV T60 dual cab for under 30k...about to buy a bayliner also...both were cheaper than a ranger, bt 50 etc etc...very happy with the LDV... |
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Those older Chinese and Indian dual cabs always look as if they have a narrower track than other well know brands. Just what you need on a farm.
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[QUOTE=Bossxr8;6599774 Super safe for when that roo jumps out in front of you and you need to swerve around it
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It's really no surprise to see the MG 3 leading it's segement after all the major players have increased their prices significantly over the last 12 - 18 months.
Suzuki, Kia, Hyundai, Toyota and Mazda have all hiked the price of their cheapest models in recent times. MG have entered the market and taken advantage of this. A Yaris was once a $17,990 proporsition, it now starts at $27K. https://www.toyota.com.au/yaris/prices A Kia Rio was once a $17K car, now staring at just over $20K. https://www.kia.com/au/shopping-tool...trim.rio.html# MG have entered the market and taken advantage of this, offering a car at a price it seems most want to pay in this segment. It does not matter to these buyers how crap the car actually is, it matters more that it's brand new, has a long warranty and didn't cost $27K! https://mgmotor.com.au/form-specials/?special=11010
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For me, I hardly see any chinese dual cab or car on the roads I frequent though the ones I have - those early GW dual cabs were a POS, the MG's good luck to them, you get what you pay for as they say. I suppose they have improved for these Cannons at least look the part more. Its all about budget, IF I was in the position of not having the funds I guess a new Cannon it would be, WTY is WTY but what about 200thou k's later. Oh hng on I only paid under $30k, I suppose I expect its use by date is half of the majors. Can I afford to update again when it costs me more than its worth within 2/3yrs !? Why can they use a platform similar to Ranger/Hilux and all its component costs must be 50% less, I'd sooner nuy a 2nd/3rd hand Ranger Hilux but thats me. MG's and this Cannon got to prove themselves I guess. OR should we change our mindset in todays throw away society and these cheap variants expect less and stfu.
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June 2021 and the MG brand is in 8th position!
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I tend to agree with the quality statements but watch as EV's come on line, people laughed about cars being appliances. Its just the start.
Also keep in mind MG is just selling cars, perhaps have a think about why people are buying cheaper brands and that is the more disheartening story.
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"Also keep in mind MG is just selling cars, perhaps have a think about why people are buying cheaper brands and that is the more disheartening story."
I'm thinking of buying a new car (SUV) in the near future and the MG's certainly look value-for-money. However I won't buy an MG as I'll wait awhile to see what the vehicles are like after a couple of years use.
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Not an MG but my parents tossed up between Kia Sportage and Haval H6 and ended up taking the Haval. I tried to get them to look at Escape but unfortunately supply is very much an issue as well as price so the Ford was not considered, wait times are huge and the Haval will be here any tick of the clock. Completely their decision and I hope they enjoy their new ride. We are good friends with the GWM/Haval dealer here which is a plus.
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A friend of ours just bought a MG hybrid and is very happy with it considering his last 2 cars were Mercedes diesels. He had to buy an SUV as his wife has hip and knee problems so he needed a higher vehicle. I know someone in Melbourne who owned an original MG and a one stage was the president of the MG club. As he got older he was having trouble getting in and out of a sports car so he sold it and bought a chinese version and kept his club membership. There were a few members that were a bit upset with this. He recently told me there are more of the older members selling there MG sports cars and buying the more comfortable chinese versions.
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