driving lights = 3points

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by Micksxboxmods

Next they will be making high beam illegal, really, common sense prevails.

What I find more dazzling is those HID lights on late model Honda's etc with their prismatic colour and light angle change, they should be illegal, not a p!ssy little fog/ driving (call it what you will) light.

They would be better off fining those who cannot aim them correctly or have adjusted to aim higher.

agreed completely

[Bucknaked]

I thought I might drive my car around at 260k's per hour because my speed goes upto 260. I don't see anything wrong with it. Why would the manufacturer put that on my car if I wasn't meant to use it. Who cares what the law says.

If the law says you can't use them in clear conditions, then you can't use them. How hard is it to comprehend. You don't go into a shop with a sign that says 'Shop Lifters will be prosecuted" and steal.

These lights are used by posers who want their car to stand out. As a driver, you cannot even see the lights during clear days, so why use them. If they dazzle other drivers, which they do, why do you need to have them on? It's only to draw attention to yourself. "Look at me, I'm awesome"

[XRSIKS]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

I thought I might drive my car around at 260k's per hour because my speed goes upto 260. I don't see anything wrong with it. Why would the manufacturer put that on my car if I wasn't meant to use it. Who cares what the law says.

If the law says you can't use them in clear conditions, then you can't use them. How hard is it to comprehend. You don't go into a shop with a sign that says 'Shop Lifters will be prosecuted" and steal.

These lights are used by posers who want their car to stand out. As a driver, you cannot even see the lights during clear days, so why use them. If they dazzle other drivers, which they do, why do you need to have them on? It's only to draw attention to yourself. "Look at me, I'm awesome"

What are the laws in canberra? you people all got me paranoid, i have had my 4 lights running since i got them never had a problem...

And buckie.... I am awesome.

[turbo4me]

I don't drive with mine on unless i am in a club convoy because most motorists will not pull out of side streets ....etc when they see you all together. I personally cannot remember being dazzled by driving lights but i am dazzled all the time by SUVs. In my opinion it is just another revenue gathering exercise.

[Mr Brooksy]

Its the HID lights that peeve me off!!!!! Foggies... whatever.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by mattp

From the RACQ website:
The use of front fog lights is not specifically mentioned in Queensland legislation at the moment, however drivers can be fined for using them in clear conditions as they can dazzle other drivers.
Queensland legislation will be altered during 2009 to make the use of front fog lights in clear conditions a specific offence, as it is for rear fog lights.

I've had mine on and driven past / behind many a cop car with ne'er a word being said, so it still seems to come down to individual cops etc. With the number of cars you see with them on, if they do crack down it'll be a bonanza. I personally can't say I've ever been 'dazzled' by fog lights though.

Ive seen numerous HWP Avalons with them on during the day time in clear conditions.

[TP351]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

If the law says you can't use them in clear conditions, then you can't use them. How hard is it to comprehend.

These lights are used by posers who want their car to stand out. As a driver, you cannot even see the lights during clear days, so why use them. If they dazzle other drivers, which they do, why do you need to have them on? It's only to draw attention to yourself. "Look at me, I'm awesome"

This post pretty much sums up the whole arguement! I agree entirely! I can't see what all the fuss is about. Besides, this law is hardly ever enforced anyway................ it's all a storm in a teacup! We have far more stupid and misused laws around to worry about!

[Mark s]

I have a BA XR and the fog lights make bugger all difference to low beams from the drivers seat. To me the whole thing is "Look at me" Thats the only reason most people use them.

One thing that I have found very dangerous, is on my motorbike. Some of the roads I ride alone early in the morning and also late at night, dont have street lights and there are no markers on the sides of the road.

For those who live in the Hawkesbury and know Grose Vale Rd and Kurmond Rd know what I am talking about. These roads twisty and no marking to the sides be it lines or cats eyes.

Come through these roads of a night time with lighting not up to the same standard as a car and get an eye full of low beam + flog lights and you dont see a thing. You basically have to almost come to a stop in fear of riding off the road.

Still I guess that is my problem and I should ride through on high beam and blind everyone coming towards me or basically not ride at all so people can keep look cool with flog lights on.

Still it's not their problem, so why should they give a rats about other road users. It's a storm in a tea cup, and why should anyone bother about following the road rules when it can endanger other road users.

Maybe we should blame the RTA, state Govt or the local council. I will tell my wife to blame them if by chance I come off the road and slam into a tree, because I lose sight of the road and miss a corner, due to someone using fog lights in clear conditions.


Sounds tyipical "Bugger you, Jack" to me.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by russellw

Let us just clarify a couple of points here for the benefit of those asking.

The AU / BA / BF and FG models that are equipped with lamps fitted to the lower section of the bumper (below the line of the normal headlights) are fitted with FOG LAMPS with the exception of those that were fitted with the so called cornering lamps (Fairmonts and Fairlanes) that were outlawed anyway and thus were changed by Ford.

Since the ADR's were changed to no longer require the fitment of an isolation switch for Driving Lamps these are now wired to the high beam circuit where fitted.

The Fog Lamps in the vehicles mentioned above have an activation switch so that they can be turned on when required and it is these lamps that are the subject of the offence mentioned by the OP.

Whilst not a complete list here are the vehicles that were fitted with Fog Lamps ex factory.

AU1 TS50
AU2 TS50
AU3 TE and TS50
AU3 Models (including Fairmont) fitted with the optional Havoc body kit
BA Models fitted with the round lamps (the rectangular ones were parking (I) or cornering lamps (II))
FG XR and G-Series models

Basically if you have any of these and have them on under the wrong conditions and get caught then you can expect to be fined. End of story.

Cheers
Russ

The AU's were not foglights, atleast not the AUIII they were driving lights attached to the highbeam...

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Micksxboxmods

They would be better off fining those who cannot aim them correctly or have adjusted to aim higher.

The cops should be targeting all lights that are not adjusted properly...SUV's come to mind.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Ive seen numerous HWP Avalons with them on during the day time in clear conditions.

I have seen police cars speed, fail to stop at stop signs, fail to indicate, spin the rear wheels, run red and amger lights and ignore many and various other traffic signs as well as have the ****e.... I mean fog lights on

None of it was legal but they have pretty blue pajamas and a shiny badge that seems to make some sort of difference....

[EgoFG]

Originally Posted by vztrt

The cops should be targeting all lights that are not adjusted properly.

In all the diverse opinions here - this is the common thread - Fine people for having glarey lights.

But that is hard for an 'on the road' officer to enforce - they need an arbitrary interpretation of what makes sense so that they have an enforceable, non-subjective rule.

I think, lets fine all the Foggy users that dont dip within 300m - then see who's next !

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by EgoFG

In all the diverse opinions here - this is the common thread - Fine people for having glarey lights.

But that is hard for an 'on the road' officer to enforce - they need an arbitrary interpretation of what makes sense so that they have an enforceable, non-subjective rule.

I think, lets fine all the Foggy users that dont dip within 300m - then see who's next !

They dont have to fine them, RBT and a warning to go get them checked and adjusted.

[deesun]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

I thought I might drive my car around at 260k's per hour because my speed goes upto 260. I don't see anything wrong with it. Why would the manufacturer put that on my car if I wasn't meant to use it. Who cares what the law says.

If the law says you can't use them in clear conditions, then you can't use them. How hard is it to comprehend. You don't go into a shop with a sign that says 'Shop Lifters will be prosecuted" and steal.

These lights are used by posers who want their car to stand out. As a driver, you cannot even see the lights during clear days, so why use them. If they dazzle other drivers, which they do, why do you need to have them on? It's only to draw attention to yourself. "Look at me, I'm awesome"

I'll agree with that. 100%.

[ghezzi]

I've only read pg 1 of this post. My question is, how can a state govt legislate against using lights during day light hours, when ADR's (fed govt) legislate that all bikes be hard wired? ie. headlights cannot be turned off.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by ghezzi

I've only read pg 1 of this post. My question is, how can a state govt legislate against using lights during day light hours, when ADR's (fed govt) legislate that all bikes be hard wired? ie. headlights cannot be turned off.

Its not the headlights but the Fog or driving lights (ones on the bottom of cars).

[russellw]

Just to make it easier here are some pics:

AU 1&2 TS50



AU 3 T-Series



AU Havoc Body Kit



BA Cornering Lamp



FG



Cheers
Russ

[05MkIIFutura]

I have done my fair share of highway driving and I can't say it has ever worried me. I certainly wouldnt have bothered campaigning to my local MP to get the laws changed, I think the government should stick to healthcare, schools and infrastructure before they worry about making more rules.

Laws exist around use of high beam, and fog lights are (usually) wired into this. Just enforce the high beam rules.

Sure, you might see a misalligned one every now and then, but brightness is no worse than a an nob who is driving during the day on high beam.

It is better turn lights on to be seen on the road, I have no problems with driving lights.

[05MkIIFutura]

Originally Posted by russellw

BA Cornering Lamp

Used to be driving lamps until 6 months into prod they implemented the change in all Fairmonts and Fairlanes during their next service, and all new cars configured as turning lights.

Apprently they didnt meet ADR's due to some issue with measurement/power

[mik]

one of my pet hates, your driving down the main street of suburbia and and the twit in front has his rear fog light equipped car ON! with crystal clear night ....same with front foggies ......having problems seeing , get glasses or fix your head lights, fog lights are for FOG.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by 05MkIIFutura

Used to be driving lamps until 6 months into prod they implemented the change in all Fairmonts and Fairlanes during their next service, and all new cars configured as turning lights.

Apprently they didnt meet ADR's due to some issue with measurement/power

I don't believe they were called driving lamps. Ford called them a decorative lamp. Didn't serve any useful function. Rather like using fog lamps in clear conditions;)

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by russellw

Just to make it easier here are some pics:

AU 1&2 TS50



AU 3 T-Series



[b]AU Havoc Body Kit


Cheers
Russ

Incorrect, all AU's only had driving lights.. NO FOGLIGHTS OR FOGLIGHT switches, they only came on with highbeam.

Regards,

[russellw]

Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

Incorrect, all AU's only had driving lights.. NO FOGLIGHTS OR FOGLIGHT switches, they only came on with highbeam.

Regards,

Sorry to disagree with you but these are NOT driving lights - the brochures (which you can check in the gallery) and the workshop manuals describe both of these items as FOG LIGHTS - if it makes you feel better to call them something else that's fine but don't mislead others.

Russ

[GT]

Just checked out the AU Brochure (T Series) and it clearly states that FOG LAMPS are Standard.

Cheers
Gaela

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by russellw

Sorry to disagree with you but these are NOT driving lights - the brochures (which you can check in the gallery) and the workshop manuals describe both of these items as FOG LIGHTS - if it makes you feel better to call them something else that's fine but don't mislead others.

Russ

Well my mate has a AUIII TS50 and they only come on with the highbeam, and theres no switch in the car? If they are foglamps then they would come on with the parkers, as in fog you dont use highbeam and get it reflected back in your face!

Please explain that?

The AU series cars have no light in the cluster for Foglights either.

Or better still, read this thread...

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...=115035&page=1

The lights fitted to the T3 cars are the Commet 200 Driving lights, not foglamps, they dont have the shield over the bulb like the SX Territory / BA XR range.. But hell what would i know.

[russellw]

Your mate is obviously blessed.

Below is a scan from the AU3 T-Series brochure (the latter of the two) and a close up of the AU2 TS50 dash which displays the button used to activate the Fog Lamps.






Cheers
Russ

[russellw]

.. and from the parts listings:

TAUTVE 15K201 A LAMP FOG, RECTANGULAR SHAPE, TS50 (Series 1 & 2)

TAU3 NS LAMP FOG, ROUND TYPE, BUY FROM HELLA DISTRIBUTOR, HELLA PART NUMBER = 1313W, NOT SERVICED, TE50/TS50

Which I would think is fairly definitive.

Russ

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by russellw

Your mate is obviously blessed.

Below is a scan from the AU3 T-Series brochure (the latter of the two) and a close up of the AU2 TS50 dash which displays the button used to activate the Fog Lamps.






Cheers
Russ

That scans from a T1, not a T2.. T2 had the white with black txt on the radio!

[Smoke Pursuit]

Anyone here witha T3 care to acknowledge if the "foglamps" come on with the parkers?? LOL

[russellw]

Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

That scans from a T1, not a T2.. T2 had the white with black txt on the radio!

That is correct - not that it matters given the buttons (which are the point) are the same. But for correctness refer the image below.



Russ