Could the Mondeo replace the Falcon?

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by mik

indeed you are right mate , and no doubt the mondy is a decent car,
but frow where i sit looking at the two cars the falcon wears many faces .............. well not so many these days as ford has slowly cut the hell omachinehe models, but even looking at the line up the falcon is still a pretty versatile car, you can have it in more variations, you can have it a ute, you can have it in a 4 cylinder, also in a 6 cylinder, in a v8 and in various degrees of performance. even at its lowest spec model is still a great family car and reasonably economical vehicle, go up a notch to the eco lpi in either a tradey ute or family sedan with considerable towing ability, then there are the higher spec, and performance models,
again with different power trains, in all honesty the only thing the mondeo has over the falcon is a few gadgets and maybe some eye candy..
So let us be precise with the question at hand................. can the mondeo fill the boots of all these things the falcon does ??? and the answer is quiet obviously no.

As I've said before, as a three box mode of transport the Mondeo is Falcon's equal, if not a touch better.

What Falcon fans like yourself fail to see, is that due to market fragmentation Falcon has been (or will be ) replaced by a group of cars...Mondeo for simple/luxurious commuting, Territory/Flex for getaway/family hauling, Ranger for legit load carrying and hauling, and Mustang as a fun machine. Add to that Fiesta for well priced transport for one or two, Focus for small families.

There is some bleed in the capabilities of those cars (Fiesta and Focus are fun machines as well, Mondeo can be had in a wagon, Mustang and Ranger could transport small families) but overall each car is the master of it's intended purpose. Jack of all trades just doesn't cut it with (most) buyers anymore.

Ford's current (and 30% expanded) range is (and will be) filling Falcon's shoes, and Mondeo is great at doing what it does, full stop.

[In Focus]

Unfortunately for Falcon fans, the answer to the thread question simply comes down to this: can the Mondeo sell 8-900 cars per month?

The answer, assuming good supply and an improved next generation model to inspire public confidence (a la the Kuga), is surely "yes".

I'd have to think Ford would make more on each Mondeo than a locally built Falcon in those sub-1000/month unit numbers.

[jpd80]

You want to hear a really scarey thought,

Before Kim Carr flew to Shanghai and negotiated with Ford to do the 2014 Falcon and Territory upgrades,
Ford had no intention of continuing Falcon after FGII and most likely would have shut down next year.

Guess which vehicle they would have pushed front and centre as a Falcon alternative?
Mondeo and given the poor availability due to trouble in Europe, that would have been disastrous.

[CyberWasp]

I don't think that Mondeo sales will change all that much with the Falcon gone.
Maybe with the new model coming things might change a bit.
They could change the name to Fusion to kick start it.
But with no Taurus coming, maybe the question should be,
Could the Ford Edge replace the Falcon?

[b055m4n]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

I've owned a Mondeo. If the Mondeo was to replace the falcon full time and time came to upgrade, I'd happily move back to a Mondeo. The problem most Aussie car enthusiasts have with the Mondeo is its FWD and its not a falcon. They would sooner condemn it than drive it. They might find they are actually a very nice car to drive,

I agree fully Bucknaked..

[The Yeti]

If they're not interested in the platform why should they accept it as the replacement to falcon, what your essentially saying is those that have no interest in driving this ford Camery are flat earthers.

They are the people tha need to put their hands in their pockets to buy it why is it their job to accept this thing, they are perfectly with in their rights to look else where for their car ov choice

Personally I think the sales figures of the mondeo post falcons demise will be not increase to the point of any real interest

Every mondeo I've driven I found sluggish and a mushy chassis feel it really was just meh! To drive and if it wasn't the only choice in the company garage on my trip I think I would have sooner driven a Hyandai I30 (something we have in other states) I don't particularly like the i30 either but that's not the car in question

[b055m4n]

Originally Posted by Wretched

ignorance is bliss to some.

Arrogance is that all you offer on this forum towards another member's opinions....

[janddbone]

Does anyone know who is actually buying the Falcon at the moment? As in a sales break down, this would help indicate if those buyers would move on to the Mondeo.

[Maka]

Could the Mondeo replace the Falcon, imo yes if they build into it every good attribute that made Falcon a legend & they can supply the market with a decent amount of stock that appeals to all buyer demographics ie: Fwd & 4WD. Choice & availability is what Ford needs to work on with Mondeo if its to replace the Falcon in its product line up.

cheers, Maka

[BDA074]

Using facts to justify opinion? Crazy talk!!!

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by b055m4n

Arrogance is that all you offer on this forum towards another member's opinions....

if you say so.

[mik]

Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

As I've said before, as a three box mode of transport the Mondeo is Falcon's equal, if not a touch better.

What Falcon fans like yourself fail to see, is that due to market fragmentation Falcon has been (or will be ) replaced by a group of cars...Mondeo for simple/luxurious commuting, Territory/Flex for getaway/family hauling, Ranger for legit load carrying and hauling, and Mustang as a fun machine. Add to that Fiesta for well priced transport for one or two, Focus for small families.

There is some bleed in the capabilities of those cars (Fiesta and Focus are fun machines as well, Mondeo can be had in a wagon, Mustang and Ranger could transport small families) but overall each car is the master of it's intended purpose. Jack of all trades just doesn't cut it with (most) buyers anymore.

Ford's current (and 30% expanded) range is (and will be) filling Falcon's shoes, and Mondeo is great at doing what it does, full stop.

There you go , in a round about way you have said the mondeo cannot fill in the falcons boots on it's own................ and if I'm not mistaken that was the question asked in this thread !!!!

[Focused]

Could? It already has. With the exception of towing (which I never do), drag racing (which I never do) or driving around a race track (which I never do), the Mondeo has it over the Falcon in every way. It sadden me to say this, but it's true. The Falcon is irrelevant. It's just a pity that the Falcon is going to take the Territory with it.

PS: I owned both a Falcon (AU Forte) and a Mondeo (MA TDCI).

[janddbone]

And LPG...

[vanman_75]

PS: I owned both a Falcon (AU Forte) and a Mondeo (MA TDCI).






^^^^^^^^^not sure if serious ^^^^^^^

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by mik

There you go , in a round about way you have said the mondeo cannot fill in the falcons boots on it's own................ and if I'm not mistaken that was the question asked in this thread !!!!

Guys like you and 'the yeti' crack me up, when you're on a losing streak you either ignore posts, or you start to argue semantics.

OK, to not give you an inch so you won't take a mile...

Yes, I think the Mondeo could replace the Falcon, full stop.

And yes, the Mondeo will replace the Falcon, whether you, me or anyone else likes it or not.

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

Guys like you and 'the yeti' crack me up, when you're on a losing streak you either ignore posts, or you start to argue semantics.

OK, to not give you an inch so you won't take a mile...

Yes, I think the Mondeo could replace the Falcon, full stop.

And yes, the Mondeo will replace the Falcon, whether you, me or anyone else likes it or not.

Ha ha your funny

If you like it that's fantastic

I don't and wouldnt put it on the to be considered list, why must I because it's a ford?

Fraid not

I think the mondao is an old lady's car. Full Stop that's all, as you were

[JimStone]

It already has for me - in early 2012 I bought a new MC Mondeo Hatch Ecoboost instead of a FGII. Over 26,000klm later and no regrets. Has been used as daily drive, open road cruiser and tows my fully laden camping trailer better than the AU Fairmont Ghia it replaced.



Thrashy VE Commodore didn't even make the first cut I'm afraid, deciding factor came down to that at 6'4" tall and 120kg the Mondeo is physically easier to get into than the FGII....

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by brett.r.johnstone

Does anyone know who is actually buying the Falcon at the moment? As in a sales break down, this would help indicate if those buyers would move on to the Mondeo.

A large chunk of buyers are getting the performance versions, and the LPi versions. Mondeo has nothing of worth for them.

Mondeo might be able to replace some variants of XT, G6 and G6E, but that's about it. But I guess the Mustang will take over the performance role, while the Mondeo will appeal to the A to B people.

[jpd80]

When the time comes, Falcon buyers will be offered a range of sedans and SUVs to pick from,
if none suit the buyer's needs then those buyers will go elsewhere...

Ford is clearly counting on more new buyers coming into the brand than existing buyers leaving...

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by jpd80

When the time comes, Falcon buyers will be offered a range of sedans and SUVs to pick from,
if none suit the buyer's needs then those buyers will go elsewhere...

Ford is clearly counting on more new buyers coming into the brand than existing buyers leaving...

I agree, the only car I see that loses out of this is the Territory, out of all the SUVs under 70k I'd have a diesel Territory or a Jeep GC. The rest do nothing for me.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by JimStone

It already has for me - in early 2012 I bought a new MC Mondeo Hatch Ecoboost instead of a FGII. Over 26,000klm later and no regrets. Has been used as daily drive, open road cruiser and tows my fully laden camping trailer better than the AU Fairmont Ghia it replaced.

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Unless youve stuffed your Mrs and kids in the boot, then thats not a great picture to prove that your car 'tows great'. The rear end squat is shocking...the front tyres are nearly in the air

[mik]

Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

Guys like you and 'the yeti' crack me up, when you're on a losing streak you either ignore posts, or you start to argue semantics.

OK, to not give you an inch so you won't take a mile...

Yes, I think the Mondeo could replace the Falcon, full stop.

And yes, the Mondeo will replace the Falcon, whether you, me or anyone else likes it or not.

Matey, if you think the mondeo can fill all the rolls the Falcon does, i think we will have to leave it there , because one of us is not being honest with himself, hint.......... its not me.............. have a nice day.

[mik]

Originally Posted by JimStone

It already has for me - in early 2012 I bought a new MC Mondeo Hatch Ecoboost instead of a FGII. Over 26,000klm later and no regrets. Has been used as daily drive, open road cruiser and tows my fully laden camping trailer better than the AU Fairmont Ghia it replaced.

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Thrashy VE Commodore didn't even make the first cut I'm afraid, deciding factor came down to that at 6'4" tall and 120kg the Mondeo is physically easier to get into than the FGII....

As long as your happy with it Jim that is all that matters mate , the funny thing is no one has said a bad word about the mondeo, except that it is limited in its rolls, lets face it , it has limited drive line options, no high performance options, etc,etc,no ute, lpg, no high powered prestige model, etc,etc, the thread topic is can can the mondeo fill the falcons shoes, and the simple answer is........... no.
i might add i'm a fairly big fella as well, pretty happy at the moment i lost weight , down to 130 kg , i find just about every car is a bit of an effort in the getting into and out of department, except for my old lexus with the retractable steering wheel, but i still love my xr6.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by mik

As long as your happy with it Jim that is all that matters mate , the funny thing is no one has said a bad word about the mondeo, except that it is limited in its rolls, lets face it , it has limited drive line options, no high performance options, etc,etc,no ute, lpg, no high powered prestige model, etc,etc, the thread topic is can can the mondeo fill the falcons shoes, and the simple answer is........... no.
i might add i'm a fairly big fella as well, pretty happy at the moment i lost weight , down to 130 kg , i find just about every car is a bit of an effort in the getting into and out of department, except for my old lexus with the retractable steering wheel, but i still love my xr6.

perhaps the vehicle (s) that ultimately "replace" the Falcon are indeed
non-traditional crossovers, SUVs and smaller sedans and sports coupes.

I have this sneaking suspicion that ultimately Ford will offer the Edge to
Australia instead of the US Explorer and that T6 SUV will sit above that..
Vehicles like Mustang, Mondeo will probably play supporting roles for buyers
wanting more car like properties but I don't see a performance sedan choice.

It's a mixed blessing because even though we get choices after Falcon's demise
those imported products can also be cancelled at short notice if sales don't happen.
That's the reality people have to understand with a fully imported product policy,
either you support the vehicles offered or they're gone in double quick time.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by mik

Matey, if you think the mondeo can fill all the rolls the Falcon does, i think we will have to leave it there , because one of us is not being honest with himself, hint.......... its not me.............. have a nice day.

Just spent a weekend driving our MA Mondeo to the hunter valley, it was every bit as good as the in-laws FG falcon that we have previously used on holidays.

The 2.3 4cly had a surprising amount of guts to it, Hills didn't effect it too much, down an back (Tamworth > Cessnock > Newcastle > Tamworth) it only used 1/2 a tank.


The people who say the Mondeo cannot be a replacement are the ones ont being honest with themselves, the ones that haven't had a good drive of one.


Have a nice day.

[GQ_Smooth]

The only Falcon role I don't see being replaced in the Ford range is a 4 door hi-performance option. As LeadFoot81 mentioned, I don't see 1 car replacing the Falcon (which the answer to the original post is no), not enough people want the current Falcon anyway. Once the 2014-2016 model is released and so long as the S/C V8 version isn't a dog (the more I hear about the coming models the lower I set my standards), that will do me for my vehicle purchases for the next 7-10 years to replace the boss's BFII Ghia.

[FPV+fteT3]

Last time I checked Mondeo don't have a ute version

[stang65]

let see can it replace the Falcon? Last time I looked it didn`t come out with a powerful six cylinder engine that has more torque than some V8`s.

Then how long before we here the click click of the CV joints when turning because the front wheel has taken a hit or the cv boot has split and crap has gotten into it.

Or how about when they start blowing smoke because they are still a small motor in a big car and they start getting tired.A.K.A 4 cylinder Magna or most 4 cylinder FWD crap boxes out there.


The Falcon is able to climb hills with out even breaking a sweat and is economical to repair. what are the repair cost`s of the mondeo when something goes wrong?

The only people that think that the Falcon can be replaced by Mondeo are only the people who have gone out and bought one and are trying to justify there purchase.

[DJM83]

Nice generaliastion.
Like the falcon never had its problems.
Gonna be a long 3 years if these threads become the norm.