The Horses Mouth! The FPV Reality

[Rodge]

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[TMC]

Long live the V8!!!!!!!

Now put one in a Territory, and I'll be in heaven.

[HULK EF]

Originally Posted by TMC

Long live the V8!!!!!!!

Now put one in a Territory, and I'll be in heaven.

A few quad cams v8's have been installed into Territorys for custom ride's.. Very cool!

But with the demise of FPV and territory's because of slow selling FX6Ts i cant see it happening too soon... Wish a 335. 5.0 could slot in though!

Perhaps a more popular upgrade for territory down the line would be the 3.0 litre turbo that has superseded the 2.7 the Territory received. - much beter KW and Torque numbers.

[TMC]

Originally Posted by HULK EF

Wish a 335. 5.0 could slot in though!

Any reason why it can't? I'm not familiar with it's dimensions.

[FPV GTHO]

I've seen 2 V8 Territory's, one by CAPA and one by FTG. Both were only RWD and both had Falcon steering/front suspension IIRC.

[Brent]

If the GTHO becomes a reality, good luck to the guy in FPV who signs off on it. If he makes it a 400kw+ balltearer with 2 metre wide rims, ceramic brakes and carbon fibre everything he'll have 50% of the Ford populace whingeing about why it costs $175k and they can't afford it.

Conversely, if he makes it vaguely affordable with "only" say 350 or 375kw or whatever there'll be the other 50% of people saying its soft, uncompetitive with an M5, and how the GTHO nameplate has been 'sold out' by the beancounters. Its a no win situation. Hell, just look at the threads here anytime GTHO is mentioned.

Perhaps therein lies the quandry, and perhaps FPV know it. Perhaps they know that at best, no matter what the GTHO ends up being, they'll put a fair portion of the market offside. But of those who like it, will they be sufficient in number to open their chequebooks to thus make it economically viable? Its a gamble, or in corporate terms, what is known as a "brave decision"......i.e. you're going to be hung, drawn & quartered, you're a dead man walking, but good on you for trying!

I wouldn't be surprised if FPV go part the way there, like a "GT 351" using the same Miami engine architecture, but with say the 'Panther' mods such as wider rear wheels and sharpened suspension. It'd be an awesome car, the GT 351 nameplate would carry good street cred, but the package would still be half a chance to be less than $100k or thereabouts. And more to the point, the GTHO legend will be left in its place in history, unmolested by the economic compromises on the current era.

[fangq]

Originally Posted by Brent

If the GTHO becomes a reality, good luck to the guy in FPV who signs off on it. If he makes it a 400kw+ balltearer with 2 metre wide rims, ceramic brakes and carbon fibre everything he'll have 50% of the Ford populace whingeing about why it costs $175k and they can't afford it.

Conversely, if he makes it vaguely affordable with "only" say 350 or 375kw or whatever there'll be the other 50% of people saying its soft, uncompetitive with an M5, and how the GTHO nameplate has been 'sold out' by the beancounters. Its a no win situation. Hell, just look at the threads here anytime GTHO is mentioned.

Perhaps therein lies the quandry, and perhaps FPV know it. Perhaps they know that at best, no matter what the GTHO ends up being, they'll put a fair portion of the market offside. But of those who like it, will they be sufficient in number to open their chequebooks to thus make it economically viable? Its a gamble, or in corporate terms, what is known as a "brave decision"......i.e. you're going to be hung, drawn & quartered, you're a dead man walking, but good on you for trying!

I wouldn't be surprised if FPV go part the way there, like a "GT 351" using the same Miami engine architecture, but with say the 'Panther' mods such as wider rear wheels and sharpened suspension. It'd be an awesome car, the GT 351 nameplate would carry good street cred, but the package would still be half a chance to be less than $100k or thereabouts. And more to the point, the GTHO legend will be left in its place in history, unmolested by the economic compromises on the current era.

Well said. Time moves on..Ford has had some iconic vehicles that are rightly revered , and are the stuff of legends. Lets make and buy our modern day version of a future legend .
cheers
Steve

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Brent

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Conversely, if he makes it vaguely affordable with "only" say 350 ........

If they did this I think there would be a lynching of biblical proportions .........

[Elks]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

If they did this I think there would be a lynching of biblical proportions .........

350+ rwkw is only a couple of grand away

[nt0351]

the hard facts are ,FPV cannot survive on their current sales numbers although the 5.0 S/C Miami is a cracker the FG GT with its stupid tasteless stripes lacked road presence and hasn't sold well, Ford Australia cannot afford to keep spoon feeding them ,..and the yanks don't really want to keep going down the RWD route ,...the writing's on the wall .

the FG GT black was a step in the right direction as is their latest TV add, but too little too late ,..let's hope they go out with a bang with the GT351 "Panther"

[Motorbreath310]

Anyone against a special version being called a GT phase V?

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Motorbreath310

Anyone against a special version being called a GT phase V?

yep..

[Djrystofer]

Originally Posted by Elks

350+ rwkw is only a couple of grand away

That's the problem. What's the point of releasing a 'special version', which costs a fair bit more, when people can buy the cheaper version (GS, or whatever it'll be) and pour a few grand into it & suddenly it's more powerful than the Special version, and alot cheaper

However, there's still the people that will appreciate the badges, which will buy it.

[BHDOGS]

bring out a gt ho already use the name plate to get some increased sales for ford and enjoy it if your that upset about it go and buy an old one its not like it would affect there value in anyway its time to move on

[zoomie]

Originally Posted by Djrystofer

That's the problem. What's the point of releasing a 'special version', which costs a fair bit more, when people can buy the cheaper version (GS, or whatever it'll be) and pour a few grand into it & suddenly it's more powerful than the Special version, and alot cheaper
However, there's still the people that will appreciate the badges, which will buy it.

Some people like to have a full factory warrenty, hence why buying a GS and modding it (and in the process throwing away the warrenty) is not for them.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Brent

If the GTHO becomes a reality, good luck to the guy in FPV who signs off on it. If he makes it a 400kw+ balltearer with 2 metre wide rims, ceramic brakes and carbon fibre everything he'll have 50% of the Ford populace whingeing about why it costs $175k and they can't afford it.

Conversely, if he makes it vaguely affordable with "only" say 350 or 375kw or whatever there'll be the other 50% of people saying its soft, uncompetitive with an M5, and how the GTHO nameplate has been 'sold out' by the beancounters. Its a no win situation. Hell, just look at the threads here anytime GTHO is mentioned.

Perhaps therein lies the quandry, and perhaps FPV know it. Perhaps they know that at best, no matter what the GTHO ends up being, they'll put a fair portion of the market offside. But of those who like it, will they be sufficient in number to open their chequebooks to thus make it economically viable? Its a gamble, or in corporate terms, what is known as a "brave decision"......i.e. you're going to be hung, drawn & quartered, you're a dead man walking, but good on you for trying!

I wouldn't be surprised if FPV go part the way there, like a "GT 351" using the same Miami engine architecture, but with say the 'Panther' mods such as wider rear wheels and sharpened suspension. It'd be an awesome car, the GT 351 nameplate would carry good street cred, but the package would still be half a chance to be less than $100k or thereabouts. And more to the point, the GTHO legend will be left in its place in history, unmolested by the economic compromises on the current era.

Which is exactly why they didn't want to use the GTHO name, and were looking to use GT-H instead. Close enough, but a little bit different to go some way towards stopping what you have said would have occurred.

[imugli]

Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

I've seen 2 V8 Territory's, one by CAPA and one by FTG. Both were only RWD and both had Falcon steering/front suspension IIRC.

Yep. The CAPA one basically had a full XR8 front end in it.

[Nikked]

Am i correct in saying the the V8 doesn't fit with the front drive componants?

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Elks

350+ rwkw is only a couple of grand away

The fact that its a '350' on the side instead of '351' ........

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Am i correct in saying the the V8 doesn't fit with the front drive componants?

I think it's the forward mount steering rack. Maybe you could get an FG V8 to fit with the right suspension/steering as the sump will accommodate it, but yeh I don't know the clearance on the front diff and driveshaft.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Am i correct in saying the the V8 doesn't fit with the front drive componants?

The steering shaft is the issue, with a standard Territory rack it ends up smacking straight into the drivers side cylinder bank/head.

AWD front diff just makes things 1000 times worse.

You only need to take a look under the Territorys bonnet to see the issue, with the steering wheel located well up higher than in Falcon, and with the steering rack forward mounted it means the steering shaft starts high and goes forward on a shallower angle. Falcon's lower steering wheel height allows it to go underneath the engine, and pre-FG rear mounted rack means it drops down quicker.

Now that FG has a front mounted steering rack it probably wouldn't work with that front end either.