Speed Limit Tolerances to be Lowered in QLD

[jpd80]

Interesting point, sergeant safety cites x number of deaths where speed was a factor...

Hello, these people didn't die because they were few kms over the limit, I bet most were way over...

Just like drunk drivers in smashes, our resident ambo who has attended plenty of crashes
will attest that drunk drivers who are normally way over the limit, not just 0.05...

All tight limits do is catch inattentive drivers, not the dangerous ones that ignore speed limits altogether

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by noflac52

BENT8 I noticed the comment under your forum name "an unbiased opinion".
That is sarcasm I take it!

Not at all.
I am not biased whatsoever, I don't benefit from it either way.
I simply see these threads popping up all the time, and as I said in my first post, it is usually about QLD and I wonder what all the fuss is about.

As I said, these lower tolerances have been in place in SA for some time now, there was no big protest to it as most of us just get on with life.
The fact that, despite these tighter thresholds, our revenue from traffic infringements has declined.
This tells me two things, people are more considerate of their driving habits, and two, that it is possible to avoid fines even under these tighter laws.

The sun will still rise tomorrow, and unless you are a habitual speeder, there is NOTHING to fear.
If you are one of these guys who likes to be at the front of the pack, by all means, be my radar detector...

Simple really, wether you agree or not is entirely your opinion, but lets not get hysterical.

[paule11]

2 or 3km over is ridiculous used top give you 10% in modern cars a few km over is not noticable

[jpd80]

I wonder how much traffic will drop through the Clem 7 and Airport link once drivers start getting snapped.

Maybe the government will get a clue when these two and Legacy way go broke because no one will use them...

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by paule11

2 or 3km over is ridiculous used top give you 10% in modern cars a few km over is not noticable

Of course a kilometer or two isn't noticeable. Anyone who says otherwise is just plain lying about thier god-like abilities behind the wheel. There. I said it...

The report on the news a few minutes ago said "one kilometer over and you will be fined". Anyone who can explain how the difference between 60 and 61 or 59 and 61 is going to have any impact in any way on the severity of an accident is a better man than the rest of us.
Making the "tolerance" zero, or "one kph over" just makes the whole long-running scam come out into the light...it's not road safety, it's money raising.

Originally Posted by grandpa_spec_F6

My wife's car is out 5km/h at 100km/h... if I hadn't verified it via gps I would never have known. Does that mean little old granny who doesn't even know what gps stands for let alone is won't still cop a fine?

Yes, the hypothetical old granny (and a lot of the rest of us) will cop fines...if they're speed cameras where it turns up weeks later, potentially a lot of fines all at once.

Best thing I ever did was put a two way in the Triton and keep a hand held in the Celica...you get plenty of warning about "snakes in the grass" by the roadside...

[paule11]

I wonder how many of those deaths are form car theft we have had heaps of thefts up here kids range from 8 to 17 some drive towards people on the road and play chicken .
One car rolled and a good Samaritan stopped to help and they tried to steal his car http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au...8115_news.html got out on bail the same day. I am more worried about being hit by a stolen car than someone doing 1km over

[2011G6E]

Another thing they haven't thought about is the public fury when fines start rolling in for a couple of kilometers over the limit. They will, naturally, explode in number because your speedo, even on "safe" cruise control as most people do, wanders up and down a bit depending on terrain.

The one good thing this will do is expose even more people to the scam of "every K over is a killer" which has literally nothing to do with safety but a lot to do with money raising, and turn them into firm radar/camera trap skeptics with even less respect for the powers that be who tell us we are all evil killers for daring to not stare at our speedos every minute of a trip...

[4stanger]

Originally Posted by csv8

The speed camera locations will be published from July 1 on the website www.police.qld.gov.au

This part is good,

But in recent speed blitz campaigns in my area, I have noticed radar traps/cameras set up in well known overtaking areas & overtaking lanes, this part is bad.
We know what some motorists do when they drive slow, then come an overtaking lane they speed up

[jpd80]

And here come the wowsers and the moral vanguards driving 10 kph under the speed limit, so afraid of getting a ticket.

[paule11]

Originally Posted by Arnaldo

This part is good,

But in recent speed blitz campaigns in my area, I have noticed radar traps/cameras set up in well known overtaking areas & overtaking lanes, this part is bad.
We know what some motorists do when they drive slow, then come an overtaking lane they speed up

That happened to a mate of mine 2 weeks ago in his 1954 Landrover stuck behind a caravan doing 85 to 90 . Came to overtaking lane got up to 100 then Landcruiser is up to 100 and laughing at him as he tries to get by then he goes to 110 same thing hits 120km at the end of overtaking lane Landcruiser backs of and my mate is caught by the highway patrol . Landcruiser driver goes past laughing. Mate tells highway patrol what happened and he should have been able to safely pass at 100 and he should not book him but fine the Landcruiser driver with the caravan as people like that will kill someone. Copper agrees takes off and book the Landcruiser driver

[4stanger]

Originally Posted by paule11

That happened to a mate of mine 2 weeks ago in his 1954 Landrover stuck behind a caravan doing 85 to 90 . Came to overtaking lane got up to 100 then Landcruiser is up to 100 and laughing at him as he tries to get by then he goes to 110 same thing hits 120km at the end of overtaking lane Landcruiser backs of and my mate is caught by the highway patrol . Landcruiser driver goes past laughing. Mate tells highway patrol what happened and he should have been able to safely pass at 100 and he should not book him but fine the Landcruiser driver with the caravan as people like that will kill someone. Copper agrees takes off and book the Landcruiser driver

That would be scary, doing 120km/h in a 1954 Landrover.

[noflac52]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Not at all.
I am not biased whatsoever, I don't benefit from it either way.
I simply see these threads popping up all the time, and as I said in my first post, it is usually about QLD and I wonder what all the fuss is about.

As I said, these lower tolerances have been in place in SA for some time now, there was no big protest to it as most of us just get on with life.
The fact that, despite these tighter thresholds, our revenue from traffic infringements has declined.
This tells me two things, people are more considerate of their driving habits, and two, that it is possible to avoid fines even under these tighter laws.

The sun will still rise tomorrow, and unless you are a habitual speeder, there is NOTHING to fear.
If you are one of these guys who likes to be at the front of the pack, by all means, be my radar detector...

Simple really, wether you agree or not is entirely your opinion, but lets not get hysterical.

The reason I asked about the sarcasm in your comment was because it is impossible not to have an unbiased opinion, as when a statement is made offering a point of view and someone else offers a different point of view it is showing bias against what the other person believes to be correct. I just thought it might have been your little joke being that this is a place that is entirely made up of different opinions.

You seem to have found out a lot about me from my post. Hysterical hey! Thanks for letting me know! Gee I think I'll have to get something done about that.

I have no problem avoiding fines myself. That is not the issue here. The real issue about the thresholds is contained in my previous post whereby authorities continue to reap millions of dollars from motorists under false pretences and it is getting to a point where it becomes rather ludicrous that you are deemed a criminal for very minor infractions of a rule that has very little bearing on safety just to fill the coffers. Motorists are a very soft target in todays society and govts recognise this and are continuing to gouge them.

It appears to me that most of the posters object to this method of making money wether they speed or not regardless of which state they live in. Just because one objects to the system does not automatically mean that a person is contributing to it by speeding as you are suggesting. Also I don't think that they are whingers for having a different opinion to the one you put forward. As you say, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[paule11]

Originally Posted by Arnaldo

That would be scary, doing 120km/h in a 1954 Landrover.

That's what I thought I did not want to ask think it has a holden engine in it

[burnz]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

If you were doing 60, in a 60 zone, and you got pulled over by this inaccurate device, wouldn't everyone else who is doing 60 get pulled over too.
Or do they just scan a car doing 70 and then apply that reading to "P" platers, the elderly, rich businessmen, VN drivers and anyone else who they see fit...riiight

OOps, almost forgot an emoticon to express my frustrations...

you appear to have "glossed" over the point he made...(it came in the mail three weeks later)..
what speed were you doing three week ago and where??

[GCRXR6]

Originally Posted by Arnaldo

This part is good,

But in recent speed blitz campaigns in my area, I have noticed radar traps/cameras set up in well known overtaking areas & overtaking lanes, this part is bad.
We know what some motorists do when they drive slow, then come an overtaking lane they speed up

Yeah Arnaldo ... Yeppoon Road, Emu Park Road and Gracemere Road spring to mind. These fools, that travel 5 - 10 k under then speed up on the overtaking areas, are an ongoing problem for sure, but, what can be done about it? Make it an offence .. good idea. How can it be policed? A speed camera captures in a given instant. To detect the overtaking lane offence would require a video to record the whole event. Have your passenger ring the police? Perhaps. Your word against theirs.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by burnz

you appear to have "glossed" over the point he made...(it came in the mail three weeks later)..
what speed were you doing three week ago and where??

Oops, my mistake, oh well.

It doesn't happen often enough to care, but when it does I man up, I don't look for someone to blame.

People get all worked up over their intended purpose, do they really save lives, too hard to gauge to be honest. Do they really raise revenue, only if your silly enough to get caught.
Will they all be pulled down if enough forum members complain it encroaches on their civil rights, no, so why bang on about it everytime someone mentions it.
It really isn't hard to avoid them, mind you, I did post in the growing old thread...or should that read growing UP thread.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Will they all be pulled down if enough forum members complain it encroaches on their civil rights, no, so why bang on about it everytime someone mentions it.

I think you have posted the most in this thread.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by cs123

I think you have posted the most in this thread.

Shhh...they might put up MORE...

[4stanger]

Originally Posted by GCRXR6

Yeah Arnaldo ... Yeppoon Road, Emu Park Road and Gracemere Road spring to mind. These fools, that travel 5 - 10 k under then speed up on the overtaking areas, are an ongoing problem for sure, but, what can be done about it? Make it an offence .. good idea. How can it be policed? A speed camera captures in a given instant. To detect the overtaking lane offence would require a video to record the whole event. Have your passenger ring the police? Perhaps. Your word against theirs.

Install a 'in car camera' in your own vehicle to record the whole event and keep it for evidence, I suppose is one way, other than that you take the risk.

[JC]

Originally Posted by grandpa_spec_F6

My wife's car is out 5km/h at 100km/h... if I hadn't verified it via gps I would never have known. Does that mean little old granny who doesn't even know what gps stands for let alone is won't still cop a fine?

Im going to start charging $20 per vehicle for a gps readout and grahic of how far speedos are based on car vs gps data. Reckon the police should verify your speedo for free? I do. Waste my time with bs fine, ill make sure to waste theirs.

How old is your wife's car. Are the tyres the correct rolling diameter? If the car is newish, then the speedo should only be out in your favour, unless the tyres are +1 size or more, but then the speedo could say anything.

[csv8]

If speed cameras save lives ? why is the road toll going up !!!!!

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by noflac52

The reason I asked about the sarcasm in your comment was because it is impossible not to have an unbiased opinion, as when a statement is made offering a point of view and someone else offers a different point of view it is showing bias against what the other person believes to be correct. I just thought it might have been your little joke being that this is a place that is entirely made up of different opinions.

You seem to have found out a lot about me from my post. Hysterical hey! Thanks for letting me know! Gee I think I'll have to get something done about that.

Please don't take the last line of that post as personal, It was simply a throw away line aimed at those who are sure speed camera's are out to get them.

To be honest, the word unbiased is in reference to my sport of choice, Lawn Bowls, which as im sure you would know is full of biased.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Anyway, I've said my bit, repeatedly even, so i'll leave you all to it.

[loony888]

So the fuzz are now looking at raking in more road tax from the average road user by lowering the leeway that was originally allowed for the 10% potential error in speedos of cars made before '06 and possible set up errors and god forbid poor execution of the use of these measurement devices, not surprised, the govt. is broke and their solar tax was stillborn so a new well had to be found.

The real issue however, the issue that pi$$es most people off isn't the ambush techniques, it's not the fines and loss of points either, after all, we've gotten away with a lot more than we've been caught for, right?
no, these are mere irritations, the real issue is that with the % of speed related deaths being relatively low compared to the other causes yet speed is all that is focussed on, because it's an easy sell to the wowsers and those full of righteous indignation (you know who you are) while genuinely serious safety issues are all but ignored, and often practised by the fuzz themselves!

Tailgating

Texting

Dialing the phone

E-mailing

Shaving

Putting on make up

Eating cereal

Drink/Drug driving, including morning after drunks

Fatigue

These are all serious safety issues that cause more deaths and permanent injuries than speeding yet they are not seriously enforced because that takes coppers in cars patrolling and that's NOT PROFITABLE.

[GREGL]

Fatigue should be at the top of the list ! Caused by having to tailgate slow drivers in the right hand lane who are doing any/all of the other listed things.
100 % correct though, nailed it.

[2011G6E]

Now that's an interesting point looney888...

What happens to all of us old-fashioned idiots who still drive cars built before 2006 (or whenever the lower tolerance for speedo error was put in the ADR's)...?

Guess we'll all just sit at 10kph below the limit to be on the safe side and hold up everyone else...

The lower tolerance now completely ignores the fact that a massive amount of cars are still on the road that were built and designed under the old allowance for speedo error that the ADR's allowed. They were...and still actually are...perfectly legal to have a 10% plus or minus error on their speedo. A great many people wouldn't have a GPS fitted to their car either...it's only recently I bothered putting one in my '82 Celica, and then only because I got given a "Top Gear Edition" Tomtom one as a present (To hear Clarksons soothing voice telling you that "Make a u-turn when possible...yes, you've cocked it up...pay attention..." is pure gold).

The speedo in it is thankfully on the slow side...you have to sit on 105 indicated to get a genuine 100.
Our 2011 Triton dual cab is way out. According to the good Navman GPS fitted in it, a genuine 100kph is an indicated 108, and a genuine 110 is an indicated 120. That's way outside the allowance that it's supposed to have according to the ADR's, but it is at least on the slow side...and this is a factory standard vehicle with factory standard sized wheels and tyres.
It does however mean that if I want to get anywhere and not hold up traffic, I sit with the needle in an area where a small variation either way would see me now fined under the new perfectly safe roads we will be driving on (because hey, if people never speed, they'll never have an accident!).

I used to wonder why people kept overtaking me when I first bought my 2008 GSX1400 motorbike...until I strapped a GPS to the bars and went for a ride, to find that it too was way out...a proper 100kph was an indicated 110, a proper 110 was an indicated 122...


Telling people that if we stop more people speeding that the road toll will automatically drop too is just one more lie to add to the pile...and telling young drivers especially that all they have to do is never speed and they'll be extremely safe out on the road is frankly criminal...

[Ford_The_Win]

Originally Posted by jpd80

And here come the wowsers and the moral vanguards driving 10 kph under the speed limit, so afraid of getting a ticket.

And the tin hat wearing "It's all a conspiracy!!!" brigade too...don't forget those guys... full of hot air, sitting behind their computers whinging about something that they have absolutely no control or influence over... are you all going to protest and write letters to your local MPs and petition until every camera is gone? I don't think so... it's all well and good to talk the talk.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by Arnaldo

That would be scary, doing 120km/h in a 1954 Landrover.

Yeah I'm wondering how it could possibly have got up to that speed!

Mind you, I remember back in the good old days of the "prime facie" speed limit in NSW my dad reaching 160 in a Morris Marshall (British 6 cyl iirc) on a country highway. It was quite a thrill. Didn't have to worry about the cops in those days unless you had an accident.

Everybody here drives like zombies nowadays, no attention to what's going on around them, just watching the speed. Great achievement.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by Ford_The_Win

And the tin hat wearing "It's all a conspiracy!!!" brigade too...don't forget those guys... full of hot air, sitting behind their computers whinging about something that they have absolutely no control or influence over... are you all going to protest and write letters to your local MPs and petition until every camera is gone? I don't think so... it's all well and good to talk the talk.

That is the whole point. Some of us on the forum are sick and tired of not having any influence or the ability to change things because govco doesn't represent us, moreso because we are supposed to live in a democracy where governments and their poor choices live or die by the sword known as voting.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Ford_The_Win

And the tin hat wearing "It's all a conspiracy!!!" brigade too...don't forget those guys... full of hot air, sitting behind their computers whinging about something that they have absolutely no control or influence over... are you all going to protest and write letters to your local MPs and petition until every camera is gone? I don't think so... it's all well and good to talk the talk.

Have no influence over?

In your dreams comrade......

Sept 14 we are all about to have a lot of influence as we all do at various times every 3 or 4 years.

Governments have been rolled over issues when the people have just had enough. Ask Anna Bligh or Rob Borbige what happens when you push the people too far.

[The Monty]

Originally Posted by kyro_02

It's all to do with transparency, if there's nothing to hide - why not let drivers know? but it's their tactic to get more infringement written

one day, one day you'll be scratching your head when your trip times to work double because speed limits are decreased..

and guess what, cars are made with more safety, and not everyone drives around in a <1970's, 1980's with no airbags etc.

If you read the article in its entirety it clearly states that the reason for not disclosing tolerance is that if they did, people would use that as a defaul speed limit. If they stated that they would book anyone 5ks and more over the speed limit, the majority would do 5ks over amd state that they have the right too. Then when you would get done at 6 over you would claim it was really only 1k over as your allowed to do 5 over.

Its always the same few on here complaining about the police and there policies. The government creates the policy, the police enforce it. If the same rustic bunch of whingers had even half an idea, there would be a lot more common sense being applied and a lot less complaining.