Hyundai Veloster from $23,990 - Page 3

Nic85 · 12-02-2012, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

Saw one in the flesh today and it looks uglier than in the photos . Hideous abomination of a car .

Hideous abomination is a bit strong, mate

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Yellow_Festiva · 12-02-2012, 06:34 PM

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...210-1sgjl.html

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Hyundai Veloster: Open and shut case
Joshua Dowling
February 10, 2012

Is it a coupe or is it a hatch? No, it's a Veloster.

Here's a car that shows your caring side, while at the same time allowing you to be a little bit selfish.

It's called the Hyundai Veloster and, unusually, it has two doors on the passenger side (so you don't need to be a contortionist to get into the back seat) and one door on the driver's side (so people you don't know, driving past you, don't think you bought a regular hatch).

It is a first for the South Korean brand but not exactly a first for automobiles (the Mini Clubman has a third door, although, rather unfortunately, it is on the drivers' side in Australia - and therefore opens into traffic).
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In the pursuit of new market niches, is the Veloster's door arrangement a stroke of genius or two-faced? Could its cleverness backfire on the likely young lads and lasses who are the target market by being seen as trying too hard or, dare we say, duplicitous?

''The question is, once [your peers] know you've bought the car to look cool, does it still have the impact?'' says a research fellow from the department of psychology at Australian National University, Dr Kate Reynolds.

Rather than appearing to be double-dipping, however, she says the Veloster ''could send different types of messages, such as flexibility or planning for the future''. Well, there are two child-restraint anchor points in the boot floor, just behind the two back seats ...

''Companies do enormous amounts of research before these cars come to market, so I'm sure they're aware of the marketing challenge,'' she says.

''These are very well-managed processes and there would have been a lot of work.''

To find out what Australians think of the Veloster, Hyundai parked it in a city centre and eavesdropped on passers-by.

''Buyers today are tremendously empowered with knowledge and information,'' the director of marketing for Hyundai Australia, Oliver Mann, says. ''You can't tell them or sell them - they must come to their own conclusion as to what the car is. They'll decide.''

And what did foot-traffic in the city decide about the automotive equivalent of a Christmas beetle?

''The upshot of it was that the car's practicality had taken away the excuses not to buy one,'' Mann says.

For its part, Hyundai says the Veloster is ''an alternative to a smart hatch, or a cool coupe''.

Conspicuously, Hyundai doesn't use the word ''sport'' next to ''coupe'' because it knows sport is not an appropriate word, given the small 1.6-litre engine and its leisurely performance. We'll come back to that soon.

The Veloster was designed in California with fashion-conscious under-30s in mind. The company says half the world's population is now under that age.

That explains why Hyundai and other brands have suddenly come out with affordable coupes: to capture buyers in their 20s graduating from regular hatchbacks and wanting to treat themselves.

On price at least, the Veloster trumps the lot. It starts from $23,990 (plus on-road and dealer costs) and stretches to $29,990.

And it's not a bare-bones proposition. Finally, we are starting to see positive effects of the strong Australian dollar - sharp pricing and long equipment lists.

Standard fare on the Veloster includes six airbags and five-star crash safety, plus a rear camera, parking sensors and tyre-pressure monitors on every model.

Inside, a 17-centimetre LCD touchscreen can stream DVD movies via your phone, Bluetooth connectivity and an iPod connector.

The 18-inch alloy wheels, cruise control, remote entry, dusk-sensing headlights, daytime running lights and front foglights almost get taken for granted in this company.

But here's how you know negotiations went really well when Hyundai Australia was haggling on pricing with its head office: even the base model gets a great eight-speaker audio system with a sub-woofer and external amplifier. Here's hoping that's not the first thing the bean-counters raid if and when the dollar drops.

Audio systems are more important than most car company purchasing departments realise. In our overcrowded cities - where many people are crammed into apartment buildings, share houses or, worse, still live with their parents - it's increasingly difficult to turn up the volume.

Train and bus commuters tune out with portable music players and now car drivers have the same opportunity.

The Veloster is one giant headphone.

The Veloster Plus, which with a $4000 premium starts from $27,990, gets all that and more: leather trim, a glass sunroof, push-button start with a proximity key and colour inserts in the 18-inch wheels.

The standard transmission is a six-speed manual, while the six-speed dual-clutch auto is a $2000 premium on both models.

The only other cost is metallic paint, which adds $375 to six of the eight available colours. The only thing missing is navigation but that will be available by the end of the year.

So the design, marketing and pricing departments have done their jobs - what about engineering?

Hyundai's been a bit hit-and-miss during the past couple of years when it comes to suspension tuning and how a car drives. After decades of forgettable cars, it made good ground with the i30 hatch released in 2007. But subsequent models underwhelmed and the company made a habit of making urgent suspension upgrades immediately after launch.

It has been a sore point for the brand but now has attention at the highest levels of the company. Last year, the global president and chief executive of Hyundai, Steve S. Yang, told Australian journalists: ''This is our problem and we know the problem ... so we have to slightly modify [our cars] to meet the customers' needs.''

With the Veloster, it seems Hyundai has turned the corner, if you'll forgive the pun. And not a moment too soon.

The tech-savvy GenY audience at which the Veloster is being pitched is not known for its ability to keep opinions to itself.

As has been the case for the past five or so years, Hyundai Australia flew in a team of engineers from German suspension specialist Sachs to ensure its cars drive well on Australian roads.

But during the development of the previous two all-new models - the i40 wagon and Veloster coupe - the process changed. Hyundai won't say exactly what that change was but we're guessing it does at least two laps of the block now.

Whatever happened in that meeting about processes was clearly worth the PowerPoint presentation because Handy Hans and his men have done a good job on the Veloster (and, for what it's worth, the i40 wagon).

Riding on 18-inch Hankook Ventus Prime2 tyres, there's ample grip and comfort. In fact, Hyundai may need to do a wheel alignment on the car I tested because I kept hitting bumps deliberately to see how the suspension fared. The car (and my lower back) were fine.

That only leaves the rather large issue of the rather small engine. In pursuit of economy and affordability, the Veloster is powered by a 1.6-litre four-cylinder engine.

Thanks to the wizardry of direct injection, Hyundai's all-new motor has as much power as a 2.0-litre four-cylinder. With a peak output of 103kW, it is a smooth and willing operator.

However, it doesn't have much torque (an engine's ability to overcome resistance, or hills) and the modest 166Nm peaks quite high in the rev range, at 4850rpm. The 0-100km/h time is 9.7seconds, only 0.2 of a second quicker than the Honda CR-Z hybrid.

It's a good thing the Veloster has six gears - and you get good use out of all of them. The manual's shift action itself has long leverage and is smooth and precise. The six-speed dual-clutch automatic - similar to Volkswagen's DSG transmission but designed in-house by Hyundai - is an impressive first effort and provides seamless gear changes in the right conditions.

But in some instances it can get a bit cranky. It can be a little fidgety at car-parkspeeds and can flare (or sound like it's over-revving) after backing off the accelerator once on the move at suburban or freeway speeds.

In most conditions the automated gearbox is fine but I wouldn't mind betting there are engineers somewhere in the Hyundai world working on a subtle software upgrade that will magically appear in the Veloster in the next 12 months. Such running changes are not uncommon in the car business.

For its part, Hyundai says the Veloster is the first instalment of a two-part series.

The sequel arrives later this year in turbocharged form.

That car, more than this one, will be a sterner test for Hyundai because it is difficult to get more power to the road without turning the car into a pogo stick.

After spending the past decade improving the quality and reliability of its commuter cars, first impressions of the Veloster show Hyundai seems to have unlocked the ability to build a desirable car that can grip pavement.

Here's hoping it doesn't lose the formula.
And if that's not enough:

Hyundai Australia has confirmed it will introduce a turbocharged version of the Veloster, likely to arrive by the end of this year.

This will be the first truly hot hatch to come from Korea and the first challenger to popular models such as the Volkswagen Golf GTI.

Pricing is yet to be confirmed but ourinformed guess is a starting price of$34,990, undercutting the GTI by$4000.

There's just one catch — and it's called the Volkswagen Polo GTI. It starts from $27,790 in its similarly-sized three-door form, undercutting the Veloster's likely price by $7200.

If Hyundai could get the Veloster Turbo here sooner it would at least have one thing working in its favour: the Polo GTI is sold out for between nine and 12months, depending on what options you order.

The jury is still out on how well Hyundai can get a car to transfer its power to the road but in the meantime, here's how the Veloster Turbo's numbers compare.

Hyundai Veloster Turbo

How much? From $34,990 (estimated)
Engine Turbocharged 1.6-litre 4-cyl petrol
Power and torque 150kW and 264Nm
Weight 1270kg
Transmission 6-sp manual or 6-sp dual-clutch auto
Fuel use 7.5L/100km (estimated)
0-100km/h n/a
Safety rating ★★★★★ (ANCAP)
Warranty 5 years/unlimited kilometres

Volkswagen Polo GTI

How much? From $27,790 plus on-road and dealer costs (sold out for up to 12months)
Engine Turbo- and supercharged 1.4-litre 4-cyl petrol
Power 132kW and 250Nm
Weight 1189kg
Transmission 7-sp dual-clutch auto only
Fuel use 6.1L/100km
0-100km/h 6.9 seconds
Safety rating ★★★★★ (ANCAP)
Warranty 3 years/unlimited kilometres

Volkswagen Golf GTI

How much? From $38,990 plus on-road and dealer costs (sold out for up to 3months)
EngineTurbocharged 2.0-litre four-cylinder
Power 155kW and 280Nm
Weight 1360kg
Transmission 6-sp manual or 6-sp twin-clutch auto
Consumption 7.7L/100km
0-100km/h 6.9 seconds
Safety rating ★★★★★ (ANCAP)
Warranty 3 years/unlimited kilometres
Or consider one of these:

Honda CR-Z

Price: From $34,990 plus on-road and dealer costs.

On sale: now

Released late last year, the Honda CR-Z is the spiritual successor to the CR-X hot hatch sold in Australia between 1987 and 1992.

The pitch: it blends driving fun with environmental credentials. But its most basic petrol-electric hybrid system (it offers only a modest boost once at speed) lacks the zip of the original model. It isn't as economical as other modern hybrids and the 0-100km/h time is a leisurely 9.9seconds, which is why Honda says the CR-Z is all about corners.

Pluses: it has a well-presented cabin with high-quality materials and, despite being front-drive, it is agile and fun. It's also the first hybrid in the world available with a manual transmission.

Toyota 86

Price: From $34,990 (estimated).

On sale: June

The Toyota 86 was jointly developed with fellow Japanese brand Subaru. Named in honour of the AE86 Sprinter of the mid-1980s, it marks the return of a affordable Toyota sports car. The car is built in a Subaru factory and uses a Subaru engine but Toyota came up with the concept and the design. There will likely be two Toyota models, one with a $35,000 starting price and skinny Prius tyres and a $40,000-plus alternative with meaty rubber. The 2.0-litre Subaru engine sounds coarse and, although marginally quicker than a Honda CR-Z, is not as impressive as the 147kW output suggests. And there's not enough torque.

Subaru BRZ

Price: From $39,990 (estimated).

On sale: July

Subaru Australia was late to confirm the arrival of its twin-under-the-skin because the company wasn't sure the BRZ fits within the brand's DNA. All Subarus sold in Australia since 1997 have been all-wheel-drive. Subaru's coupe, identified by a different badge on the steering wheel, boot and bonnet — and a slightly different bend in the front bumper — is likely to be available in just one model, from $39,990 or thereabouts. This is Subaru WRX money but without the turbocharged performance. For now, Subaru says there will not be a turbo version of its BRZ coupe. But the chief engineer made sure WRX engines can bolt straight in ...

KIA KOUP

Price: From $23,390.

On sale: now

The Kia Koup arrived in Australian showrooms in late 2009 amid little fanfare. With sharp styling and an even sharper price, it should have become a sensation. But Kia's relatively modest image meant the Koup has been largely overlooked. Its 2.0-litre four-cylinder engine is gutsy (if lacking in refinement) and the early versions had below-average suspension. But this was, after all, a front-drive hatchback dressed in a tracksuit. In early 2011 Kia made some changes to the suspension and steering to make the Koup drive a little better. The price has dropped since the launch, and $23,390 is a tempting figure. A new model is due in about 18 months to two years but at this price the current car is still worth a look. After all, it's the only one of these alternatives available at the same price as the Veloster.

From Drive.com.au

I have added pics of the competition as well. Hope the VW ones are correct??

Cheers

Nic85 · 12-02-2012, 07:10 PM

That was a pretty good write up. Look at what Hyundai have done after the criticism of how their cars ride and handle; they fly a whole team of Sachs suspension engineers over from Germany to fix the problem - That is amazing.

I have a feeling the Veloster Turbo will do 0-100km/h in around 6.5 seconds and probably do a bit better than 7.5L/100km.

If only they would ditch the silly dual clutch gearbox and put their nice 6 speed or 8 speed auto in it!

Danny · 13-02-2012, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by smoo

Yup, smooth world class I6 and ZF6 v wheezy course 100kw 160nm 4 cyl that wouldn't pull a sailor off ya sister.

Mate it sold less than 1000 last month. No one cares.

Love how absolute yokels pull words like world class and 6speed auto in order to bag out anything small, funky and well packaged, when in reality, it is a cast iron block, grandpa's axe non Direct Injection 6 with a ZF 6speed auto that BMW stopped using back in 2007 (when Falcon got it). Stop using these points as trump cards, a 6 speed auto is EXPECTED nowadays... If the bloody Falcon was so world class, the two I have wouldn't be always off at the dealer getting leaks, rattles, blown fuses, windows, oil leaks, transmission shunts fixed..

smoo · 13-02-2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Mate it sold less than 1000 last month. No one cares.

Love how absolute yokels pull words like world class and 6speed auto in order to bag out anything small, funky and well packaged, when in reality, it is a cast iron block, grandpa's axe non Direct Injection 6 with a ZF 6speed auto that BMW stopped using back in 2007 (when Falcon got it). Stop using these points as trump cards, a 6 speed auto is EXPECTED nowadays... If the bloody Falcon was so world class, the two I have wouldn't be always off at the dealer getting leaks, rattles, blown fuses, windows, oil leaks, transmission shunts fixed..

Falcon bagging, yawn. I still stand by my claim and as someone who owns a French car I wouldn't be on my high horse about Falcon build quality lol.
My post was in response to someone who thought it was fit to compare this to an XR6, which seems to be the trend when another car from a completely different segment is discussed on here - compare it to a fleet hack/family car and bag the **** out of it, maybe they have the wrong website...

Danny · 13-02-2012, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by smoo

Falcon bagging, yawn. I still stand by my claim and as someone who owns a French car I wouldn't be on my high horse about Falcon build quality lol.
My post was in response to someone who thought it was fit to compare this to an XR6, which seems to be the trend when another car from a completely different segment is discussed on here - compare it to a fleet hack/family car and bag the **** out of it, maybe they have the wrong website...

LAAAWL

French Car bagging? YAAAAAAWWWNNNN!!!! Show off that glittering IQ smoo. Have a guess how many times my French cars have been back to the dealer for warranty fixes? My old Clio sport went back once for a boot lock that stayed locked. ONCE.... So I WILL get on my high horse RE Falcon Build.. They could (and have done in the past) SO much better!!

Hahah mate as someone whose got both, and 2 of Ford's "Flagship" falcons which have BOTH spent MORE than ACCEPTABLE time off the road in the dealership, I think I have every right to bag the quality. We've had A BA XR6, a BFII XR8 Ute, a BA 1 tonner, and the two FG's. Every single one went back time and again for leaks, shudders, rattles and shunts.

The only and I mean the ONLY magnificent faultless falcon we had was a beautiful meteorite AUIII XR6VCT ute. That car was spot on in every way and funnily enough, bagged by most on these forums..

MAGPIE · 13-02-2012, 11:44 AM

Cor blimey talk about off topic...

Thought this was about the Veloster

Any manufacturer that dares to be a bit different gets a thumbs up from me, but imo it is a bit ugly.

In relation to the article above, I'd be having the Toyota 86 or the Subaru BRZ by a country mile.

smoo · 13-02-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

LAAAWL

French Car bagging? YAAAAAAWWWNNNN!!!! Show off that glittering IQ smoo. Have a guess how many times my French cars have been back to the dealer for warranty fixes? My old Clio sport went back once for a boot lock that stayed locked. ONCE.... So I WILL get on my high horse RE Falcon Build.. They could (and have done in the past) SO much better!!

Hahah mate as someone whose got both, and 2 of Ford's "Flagship" falcons which have BOTH spent MORE than ACCEPTABLE time off the road in the dealership, I think I have every right to bag the quality. We've had A BA XR6, a BFII XR8 Ute, a BA 1 tonner, and the two FG's. Every single one went back time and again for leaks, shudders, rattles and shunts.

The only and I mean the ONLY magnificent faultless falcon we had was a beautiful meteorite AUIII XR6VCT ute. That car was spot on in every way and funnily enough, bagged by most on these forums..

So you've had 5 problematic Falcons and keep coming back for more... How's about that IQ.
No French car bashing from me I'm a huge fan in general, just pointing out fact, but maybe a ladies section can be started for people to talk about Hyundais and ***** about Aussie cars.

**DJM83** · 13-02-2012, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by smoo

So you've had 5 problematic Falcons and keep coming back for more... How's about that IQ.
No French car bashing from me I'm a huge fan in general, just pointing out fact, but maybe a ladies section can be started for people to talk about Hyundais and ***** about Aussie cars.

I'll point this out to you aswell
Go and read the description of this area of the forum and then get back to me. If we want to chat about a Hyundai or what ever other make we will it's that simple. If you don't like it then bad luck. Also enough with the personal insults (goes for everyone)
Funny some people bagging this car won't even buy a new ford

boss69hogg · 13-02-2012, 02:05 PM

I saw two being test driven a couple of months ago. One white, one green. The journalist was telling me how the gearbox for the Premium model was the same as in the VW. Car looks very impressive in the flesh.

Danny · 13-02-2012, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by smoo

So you've had 5 problematic Falcons and keep coming back for more... How's about that IQ.
No French car bashing from me I'm a huge fan in general, just pointing out fact, but maybe a ladies section can be started for people to talk about Hyundais and ***** about Aussie cars.

Hey don't worry about my Intelligence bud, the reason I keep going for Falcons is because I am a Ford person, and want a car based ute that isn't a Holden... Maybe that does make me stupid in hindsight..

Maybe you have a look and a read and a comprehend at what our good admin team has written up as the contents of the "pub" section of FF.

"General Automotive Talk"

GENERAL... So yeah, these guys have every right To talk about Hyundai or whatever they like. If their talking about hyundais and hatches makes your manhood feel less endowed then please mooove on..

kinksta · 13-02-2012, 02:33 PM

I feel so shallow, I have a G6ET because of the power, price and luxury. If the Veloster had AWD and the power of the G, I'd get one... Why is power so important ugh...

Nic85 · 13-02-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kinksta

I feel so shallow, I have a G6ET because of the power, price and luxury. If the Veloster had AWD and the power of the G, I'd get one... Why is power so important ugh...

Power is important because you're making up for "other areas"

But seriously, you can only do 110km/h anyway. In the real world a turbo Veloster would be a quicker point to point car than a G6ET.

Bossxr8 · 13-02-2012, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kinksta

I feel so shallow, I have a G6ET because of the power, price and luxury. If the Veloster had AWD and the power of the G, I'd get one... Why is power so important ugh...

Power isn't the be all and end all, its just nice to have more power than a golf cart.

As said by the journo it's pretty gutless and needs to revved hard to get going, cause it lacks torque.

Yellow_Festiva · 13-02-2012, 06:34 PM

Love em or hate em.... we are talking about them. That drive clip is the longest spiel I have seen on a single model for as long as I can remember - and it isn't a Holden.

Any business needs to know their competition. What does Ford have that has received as many headlines / attention recently? Do you think we are the only forum discussing this car? Do you think the Hyundai forum (if there even is one) has 3 pages on your new Focus that parks itself? Or the XR6 Mk11??

My sister is looking for a new car, and she has mentioned it after hearing people at work talking about it. Had a dinner with the family and my brother mentioned it - he is a trady and he has heard from several people of this new Hyundai that has weird doors and looks like a cool sports car for under $25k.

The Koreans even found the money to engineer the body for both LHD / RHD markets. I find it disgusting that the Mini couldn't care enough to engineer another body for RHD markets for their 3 door version.

The the Mini is a lot more expensive... Go figure. Seems Mini has a priority to sake money over driver / passenger safety..

kinksta · 13-02-2012, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Nic85

Power is important because you're making up for "other areas"

But seriously, you can only do 110km/h anyway. In the real world a turbo Veloster would be a quicker point to point car than a G6ET.

To be honest I'll be looking at the Hyundai Genesis Coupe when it comes...

JG34JA · 13-02-2012, 07:01 PM

I actually like the look of it a lot. Rear quarter view on the non-door side has me evoking an XA coupe on the windowline. I anticipate rear vision will be the equal of said XA coupe, however.

Well appointed and under $25K? Great work, it's like living in a country that isn't Australia. (Only in those countries I can get a full size family car for about the same...)

For my money, however, it'd be the 86 by a long shot - gorgeous. RWD and involving too, from what I've read.

**Professor Farnsworth** · 13-02-2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Mate it sold less than 1000 last month. No one cares.

Love how absolute yokels pull words like world class and 6speed auto in order to bag out anything small, funky and well packaged, when in reality, it is a cast iron block, grandpa's axe non Direct Injection 6 with a ZF 6speed auto that BMW stopped using back in 2007 (when Falcon got it). Stop using these points as trump cards, a 6 speed auto is EXPECTED nowadays... If the bloody Falcon was so world class, the two I have wouldn't be always off at the dealer getting leaks, rattles, blown fuses, windows, oil leaks, transmission shunts fixed..

the ZF was introduced to the Falcon in October 2005.

XW 393 · 13-02-2012, 09:41 PM

I kinda like it from behind, oh wait that's not what I mean at all.

**Professor Farnsworth** · 13-02-2012, 09:53 PM

not touching that one.. ^^

i went and looked at one on Saturday as there were a few at dealers the day before 'release' day.

looks alright, but only interests me in turbo form. Having said that the new Rio drives nicely with the 1.6, and it's the same motor.

barra240t · 14-02-2012, 12:38 PM

I'm pretty keen seeing what the turbo is like, but the estimated 34k plus on roads is a bit pricey, hopefully they are wrong. It really is Polo GTi pricing otherwise, BUT I am guessing you wouldn't be waiting as long for your new car. The Polo GTi is an auto only option too, not that that is a bad thing. It would be great to see the base Veloster turbo (if that is even going to be a model) for the same start price as the GTi.

Chopped · 14-02-2012, 04:34 PM

I reckon it looks pretty good.
Should be a hit with Gen Y.

**DJM83** · 14-02-2012, 04:40 PM

That looks nice
Reminds of the C30 Polestar

kinksta · 14-02-2012, 04:58 PM

Wow! a hatch that looks mean! Looks pretty darn good that blue one!

MickyB · 14-02-2012, 05:03 PM

I saw a black one on the road today, looks a lot better than most $24k vehicles. I'll be interested to drive the upcoming Veloster turbo and Focus ST later in the year.

Bossxr8 · 14-02-2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

That looks rice

Fixed....

The turbo looks worse, they have stuck a huge fishmouth on it, sort of like they copied the Focus ST, or an Audi.

fou_bleu · 14-02-2012, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

sort of like they copied the Focus ST, or an Audi.

Here we go...

Bossxr8 · 14-02-2012, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 4RD4TW

Here we go...

Have you even seen the grille they have stuck on the turbo version smartar

**DJM83** · 14-02-2012, 07:46 PM

Seriously, if people dont like it why keep posting?

tranquilized · 14-02-2012, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Seriously, if people dont like it why keep posting?

If the thread only contained positive posts heaping praise, it would have been a dead boring thread.

Keep the arguments coming, makes for a far more interesting read!

As for the Veloster - looks quite good I reckon, it'll sell well - has its place in the automotive landscape. The classic hairdressers car - all show and no go. People who buy it wont care though.