Need A Job

[Stagg]

Originally Posted by Miss_XR6

Do you have your diploma in travel???

If your in Sydney I can help you get into travel jobs thats what market ive been in for over 10 years

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Nah I'm down here in Melbourne, and it's Diploma of management, so I did everything like HR, recruitment, rick management, managing projects and managing operational standards and that. I could go for a Trainee manager position in a pretty mediocre retail store if I really wanted, but there's more money in HR and recruitment.

I would actually recommend to anyone else looking for office jobs at the moment to strongly consider gaining your Diploma Of Management, because I've just now got a third interview for a recruitment role in three days, all still above $55k. So there are well paid jobs still there that I couldn't get my hands on without the qualification.

[Stagg]

A hint for resume's as well, I put on mine in bold at the top:

Name
Address
Number
Email

I also always include a cover letter, and on both the resume and cover letter I include the job description, as the recruitment agents I've dealt with have all suggested using the vacant position title on the top of your resume and cover letter.

When flicking through resumes, they are looking for someone who matches the job title, and the resume with the exact job title of course catches their attention!

[chrisfpv]

For those in this thread who are looking for jobs with no luck, what kind of jobs are you looking for and having no luck in? Are you looking for certain jobs to match your qualifications or any job you can get?

[98fex]

Originally Posted by chrisfpv

For those in this thread who are looking for jobs with no luck, what kind of jobs are you looking for and having no luck in? Are you looking for certain jobs to match your qualifications or any job you can get?

I was at first I was appling for jobs to match your qualifications but now I will do anything. I have a bit of a bad back so nothing with heavy lifting.

[Link]

Another question for job seekers - what follow up do you do? if any??

I ALWAYS follow up, after dropping a resume and after having an interview - makes me sound keen to work (which is usually the case anyway) and keeps me at the forefront of the pack

First impressions count - we recently had an ad out for a new tyrefitter - dozens of people came in and dropped resumes in - 99% i had already screened before handing the resume to my boss as a no. Either didnt seem interested or werent fit for the role (no prior experience)

If applying online your cover letter is the key - if its not on the mark, they wont even check out your resume so you really need to highlight the points that they are after in a successful canditate, perhaps put some previous experience and anything else that might be of interest

Im no expert in this field, but just about every job i have gone for i have nailed, and i am usually always involved in hiring through the various roles i have been in, so these are just my tips!

Hope it all helps! Good luck with your search people!!

[Ralliart]

Originally Posted by chrisfpv

For those in this thread who are looking for jobs with no luck, what kind of jobs are you looking for and having no luck in? Are you looking for certain jobs to match your qualifications or any job you can get?

I'm appling for Retail jobs mainly which i have loads of experience in, Labour hire which i have register with, thanks for really good points in this thread really helpful, sound to me like the whole job market is just getting worse and not getting any better.

[Spudz27]

Can I also suggest something. It may not be feasable for some, but I am starting to apply for jobs in the city. I will basically go and live with family and work, come home every second weekend and continue looking for work in my local town. If I can get a job, I will leave whatever I am doing in the city and come back home. If not we will move the family as my partner can transfer.

[GasoLane]

If you have a MR and Forklift license go to your nearest Roadhouse (or maybe newsagent?) and get a copy of OWNER DRIVER magazine (it's free at Roadhouses).

Or go here http://www.ownerdriver.com.au/ and look under 'Transjobs'

The printed version usually has at least 4 pages of recruitment agency ads and job vacancies in the Transport industry ranging from warehouse to Road Trains.

[burnz]

no one cold canvasses anymore??

sounds lazy to use a computer..

[Spudz27]

Originally Posted by burnz

no one cold canvasses anymore??

sounds lazy to use a computer..

It is because the companies now advertise online. I still check newspapers etc, but every job I have applied for is listed online. Even all the retailers list online their vacancies etc now.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Spudz27

It is because the companies now advertise online. I still check newspapers etc, but every job I have applied for is listed online. Even all the retailers list online their vacancies etc now.

i will use the computer to research my target companys, then talk to the CEO or production manager (armed with research)..

and cercumvent the front desk/hr personell

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by burnz

i will use the computer to research my target companys, then talk to the CEO or production manager (armed with research)..

and cercumvent the front desk/hr personell

Armed with a spell checker we hope !

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by Spudz27

It is because the companies now advertise online. I still check newspapers etc, but every job I have applied for is listed online. Even all the retailers list online their vacancies etc now.

I have never applied for a job online, on the phone or through the mail....i have always done the leg work and walked through the front door, it's never failed me yet....in fact this thread has been going longer than I’ve ever been (involuntarily) out of work.....

If you are really desperate for work there is plenty out there, it just depends on what the individual is prepared to do to make ends meet, you know, like getting your hands dirt........until something better comes along....

The above is not aimed at anyone in particular, just the bludgers among us.....

[pottery beige]

just applying is bs... you got to ring them.. follow it up.. touch base.. be keen.. get your name known.. almost to the verge of stalking.. ffs give him a job..

[Stagg]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

just applying is bs... you got to ring them.. follow it up.. touch base.. be keen.. get your name known.. almost to the verge of stalking.. ffs give him a job..

Too true that, if you only apply then your name doesn't stick in their head. You have to really sell your merits to them over the phone and really ask the powerful questions, like asking for an interview instead of being prompted.

Originally Posted by burnz

i will use the computer to research my target companys, then talk to the CEO or production manager (armed with research)..

and cercumvent the front desk/hr personell

That's true as well. So many applications just disappear into HR departments, if I call somewhere and they tell me that my application has to pass through HR first then I know that there is very little chance. Some jobs I just couldn't do because of the stereotype that comes with them i.e. I could be a good car salesman, but all my friends would disappear hahaha

[Spudz27]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

just applying is bs... you got to ring them.. follow it up.. touch base.. be keen.. get your name known.. almost to the verge of stalking.. ffs give him a job..

I do this. I apply, then after the closing date I give it a week, I call to check progress. then after the interview I give them a week and then I call again. It is what happened with the stupid trial I did recently, I called and she gave me a "trial" unpaid of course, I even learnt their systems and was selling customers goods without help, but the whole time I could tell, I only got a trial because I bugged her.

Originally Posted by DJR-351

I have never applied for a job online, on the phone or through the mail....i have always done the leg work and walked through the front door, it's never failed me yet....in fact this thread has been going longer than I’ve ever been (involuntarily) out of work.....

If you are really desperate for work there is plenty out there, it just depends on what the individual is prepared to do to make ends meet, you know, like getting your hands dirt........until something better comes along....

The above is not aimed at anyone in particular, just the bludgers among us.....

Not me, I get no handouts from centrelink. We are doing the absolute best we can on just 40k per year before tax and a little family tax benefit, which ost families receive anyway. My issue is I am limited due to my heart condition, so being a lacky for a lworksite or anything that involves continuous heavy lifting or manual labour is out. This is making it very hard to find work.

[Torment47]

Originally Posted by 98fex

Do you know what ***** me off the most , Is when you apply for so many jobs and NO one replies back to you , since xmas I have appled for for about 40 to 50 jobs not one reply. so if anybody out there knows of a job going please inbox me

Move to syd, plenty of jobs ere man!

Try a bigger company in qld like Bevchain? or coca-cola?
(just a suggestion to get started)

[Mr Hardware]

drive a cab

[TheSneakiness]

Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

drive a cab

Lol... no disrespect here but don't you need to be of a certain ethnicity to be considered for driving a taxi?

I remember asking someone in the industry for a job doing this and was promptly replied with no. I stated that I'd get them there in good time and was then told that's why I wouldn't get the job, the "ethnics" purposefully drive slower to get more cash for the management firm and the owners.

[Mr Hardware]

Originally Posted by Rapid_Axe

Lol... no disrespect here but don't you need to be of a certain ethnicity to be considered for driving a taxi?

I remember asking someone in the industry for a job doing this and was promptly replied with no. I stated that I'd get them there in good time and was then told that's why I wouldn't get the job, the "ethnics" purposefully drive slower to get more cash for the management firm and the owners.

Yes that is disrespectful.

Also you have been completely misled. Mid last year i relieved as taxi fleet manager for 2 months and I'll tell you something - it didn't matter what ethnicity they were, a good cabbie will make more money than a bad cabbie. Driving slower means they make less money!

Also don't believe that cabbies make bad money - cabbies who actually do more than the bare minimum often make about $50k/yr

[Link]

Electrical stores seem to have a high turnover of staff but if you are good and willing to work you can make a bit of coin - maybe hit up all the Harvey Norman/Joyce Mayne/Domayne/Good Guys etc

[Stagg]

Just an update on my situation again,

I have my interview tonight, there were five of us going for 2 positions, now it is down to 3 people going for 2 positions, after being qualified with a phone interview. When asked for feedback on why I was chosen, I was told that it was because I said in the phone interview:

1) Why my current role as a salesman would help me in a new role as a recruitment consultant, because both jobs are solutions based i.e. a customer tells you their situation, you find a solution to find their needs. This is known as "bridging the gap" or so I'm told.

2) I did not pause when they asked me for what my weakness is, although a weakness that is not seen as potentially job-losing is that your weaknesses are only relevant to their company. What I said was, "My weakness is understanding how the organisation operates, I am sure that there may be some paperwork that I'm not used to that I would have to learn". That technique means that they have nothing to lose with you except what they would have to teach any newcomer to the organisation/industry.

3) as soon as they offered an interview time (or if you asked for one), I straight away said yes. No hesitation, just a "yes" or "perfect". When you say yes to a question without hesitating, it makes you seem enthusiastic about the job and willing to dive into the opportunity.

These steps have gained me four face to face interviews and five phone interviews in the past two weeks since updating my resume and cover letter, and also since applying for a role which is both suited to my personal needs and for the organisations needs. You can't forget, that when you are offered a job, it's not just about the employee, the business needs to make its money back as well to pay your wages.

[Polyal]

If you really want to make a go for it get out of Victoria (it pains me to say, I love the big V) and head to Queensland. Resources is going nuts. Do your research, talk the the companies and see what you need to do.

[Ralliart]

^ if i had the money i would

[Stagg]

Update on my situation, any phone interview I get I have been having an interview booked in a matter of days without fail lately. You'll find that recruitment consultants will always ask very similar questions for similar roles, and rehearsing my answers has seemed to help me.

"Where can you see yourself in 5 years time?"

"Coming back from holiday and managing my own branch here in Melbourne (with a little smile)"

What attracted you to the role?"

I like how something that I've always had a passion for can become as rewarding as working here, much more lately since my current role had become stagnant"

"Have you applied for any other jobs?"

"One or two other positions, however they have not given me a call back so I don't think that they were interested in pursuing their clients requirements".

Why I haven't got a job yet, well, after asking for feedback after every interview and I got turned away, I get answers like this:

For a travel centre role:

"You had the right amount of customer service and experience that we need, you just hadn't travelled enough".

For a recruitment role:

"You give the right answers and know what the client needs, but over the phone your voice just doesn't sound like it has any credibility".

"We offered you an interview of how impressive you sounded on the phone interview, but we need someone with experience".

For a solar Hot Water supplier rep role:

"Your knowledge exceeded what we were looking for, much more so than our previous employee. However your appearance, whether it be your age, or height, you just don't look professional enough".

It leaves me a bit annoyed that after every interview, there is something holding me back that I can't help immediately, i.e. my age or how much I've travelled. I am convinced however that I will find a role that will suit my requirements exactly, and hopefully in the near future.

I had a phone interview yesterday and a face to face interview today for in car AVN systems for new cars, and getting booked in for an interview with the client directly. What really sold me on this interview though was:

a) The questions that were asked I was able to answer correctly immediately, because they were directly related to work I did for my Diploma i.e. Project management, risk management, supporting sustainability etc.

b) I convinced the consultant of my motoring passion by explaining my goals for my car, and how the job could help me succeed in my personal goals (Note that I explained my personal goals will also benefit from the position). Luckily, I found some common ground there with the consultant whose husband used to own an XY GT. It got here to smile, which is really crucial in the interview stage in my opinion.



Quick breakdown of my approach so far that has been proven successful up until my age and experience is concerned, hope it helps everyone.

[z80]

I would be looking at this one mate...

"Your knowledge exceeded what we were looking for, much more so than our previous employee. However your appearance, whether it be your age, or height, you just don't look professional enough".

Why would they have said that?

[Stagg]

Originally Posted by z80

I would be looking at this one mate...

"Your knowledge exceeded what we were looking for, much more so than our previous employee. However your appearance, whether it be your age, or height, you just don't look professional enough".

Why would they have said that?

I think it was because of my age IMO. They could not have said that though, because it is discriminatory (fyi I'm 20).

[z80]

Originally Posted by Stagg1991

I think it was because of my age IMO. They could not have said that though, because it is discriminatory (fyi I'm 20).

I'm curious and i sincerely don't mean to offend you.

Do you have any of these attributes?


tattoos?
smokers breath?
wear jeans to an interview?
body piercings?

[Stagg]

Originally Posted by z80

I'm curious and i sincerely don't mean to offend you.

Do you have any of these attributes?


tattoos?
smokers breath?
wear jeans to an interview?
body piercings?

hey mate hahahah no offence taken. I don't smoke, or have any tattoos or bidy piercings, and i wear my suit and polished shoes when going for the interview plus i'm always clean shaven with clean hair. I have a few more interviews tomorrow, hopefully something will eventuate. I've also just begun setting up an ebay store for short term cash, but will have a lot more spare time from next wednesday for interviews and such.

[Torment47]

Originally Posted by Stagg1991

hey mate hahahah no offence taken. I don't smoke, or have any tattoos or bidy piercings, and i wear my suit and polished shoes when going for the interview plus i'm always clean shaven with clean hair. I have a few more interviews tomorrow, hopefully something will eventuate. I've also just begun setting up an ebay store for short term cash, but will have a lot more spare time from next wednesday for interviews and such.

What's your ebay name?, ill check out your items for sale