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Actually Koreans do get paid well and is on par with Aussie workers, its the background costs where they save not the money going to the worker. Actually the painting process is fully automated, the windshields were put on by robots since 06, also some sub-assembly of the k-frame has robotics. There are also alot of processes in the plant that allows for lower amounts of people.
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Falcon is dead. There is no hope for it.
What I think should happen is they bring in something to replace it. Taurus or whatever but have Falcon as a specialised sports model like the Mustang. Even base it off the Mustang so it fits in with the "One Ford" theme. That keeps us enthusiasts happy and gives them a mainstream model too for the fleets and average plebs. |
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I have always been optimistic about the local industry but now I'm becoming very concerned about its future and as much as I hate to say it I think Ford will be the next to go thanks largely to the media. I'm just hoping Kim Carr can do what he can to prevent anymore cutbacks. |
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Geez the tone of these forums seems to have gone ultra-negative in the past couple of days.
There seems to be a morbid fascination within the media at cheering on the Falcon's demise - I wonder if they'll be so jubilant when Holden also fails?
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The Falcon just isn't relevant for Aussie families anymore and hasn't been for a long time. Private buyers have a great choice of cars here in Australia and that will continue. Simply said, the Falcon buyer demographic is generally speaking, either the older gentry or the second-hand enthusiast.
Fleets are all that are holding this car up.
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1) Ford and Holden share many common suppliers with huge debt burdens. If ford stops buying from these suppliers, Holden wont have these suppliers to supply them. 2) Its not a Commodore versus Falcon fight anymore. The large car segment in Jan 2011 was only the 6th (nearly seventh) largest segment, accounting for only 6.9% of all sales. It would be more of a fight for scraps more than anything. 3) There are many, many, many other cars for Falcon sales to bleed to if they stopped making them. Commodore would be lucky to pick up 10% of the Falcon sales. 4) Going by Holdens VE series II updates, I doubt anyone at Holden has renewed any leases past 2015, let alone done any planning for a commodore in 2017. At very best, I think 2017 may bring a VE series iiiii, and that would be just to get rid of some left over parts. |
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From what I gather, Both Ford and Holden are developing proposals for their next product cycles,
nothing has been engineered yet so both of them better make damned sure they are on the ball. People's needs and tastes are changing, who knows what the market will be like in a couple of years let alone 5 to 11 years projected on the next product cycle, I think most times GM & Ford guess.... GM & Ford pay attention: Yaris, Corolla, RAV4, Kluger, Prado, Hilux, Landcruiser and Hiace - that's where the battle is being won, Not Camry/Aurion...... Last edited by jpd80; 04-02-2011 at 04:04 AM. |
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Looks like im going to continue to see UGLY SMALL CHEAP REAR ENDS THAT I FELL LIKE PUSHING OF THE ROAD!
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I hope the 4 cyl falcon is going to be a success.
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If Audi can outsell Falcon, what hope does the FALCON have???? Ford needs to get much better advertising and revamp the dealerships and sales staff..ASAP..but I think its too late. Taurus is coming but not being promoted at the moment.
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Ford needs to release the new GAS models and 4 Cylinder models asap. Not having GAS is killing them in Falcon / Falcon ute at the moment, people are asking why can't we order GAS!!
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There is to much on offer out there now and the competition is getting better value for punters on each model cycle. I don't think Ford needs to worry about their other Ford cars being overshadowed if they launch an FG II in the middle of other new launches. They don't have the luxury anymore of holding off on anything. If Terri has new features then the Falcon needs to offer the same ASAP. If that means the four cylinder engines etc, come along as a later release, then so be it. They just need to do the same as Holden and get stuff out there when it is ready to go, rather then hold off for some magical date when everything is ready. Dan |
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I also think RRP prices need to reflect reality, this is not the 80s anymore where people go into a dealer for a price.
Nowadays, people look at online car website reviews and also manufacturer websites to research and look at prices... What do they see? Carsales.com.au Goauto.com.au Carpoint.com.au Caradvice.com.au & Ford.com.au show: FORD FALCON XT RRP $40,290 PLUS ON ROAD COSTS !!! Why would you look into the Falcon any further than that when an XT will be about $43 grand on road. Bring back the RRP to levels which reflect the transaction price in a dealership, so your not scaring off so many customers. |
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When the FG was first released, many said it did not look different enough to the previous generation Falcon. It seems to me that after a few years in the marketplace, it may be starting to look a little dated, as the design did not move forward enough to sustain a full life cycle of this model.
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They have the technologies in other vehicles overseas, it can't be that difficult to fit into the Falcon. There is also the problem the Falcon and Commodore have a changing market to compete with. Large sedans are not a staple purchase in this country anymore. People are looking to SUVs and hatches (which have grown in size). Commercial vehicle preferences have also changed. More are now looking at Hiluxes, Navaras, BT50s, Rangers and Tritons which seem to offer more than the conventional Falcon and Commodore based ute.
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Yes but when your buying a second hand FG, its shocking resale value improves the value equation. But if you bought brand new at $40k, would it still be relevant? Or would have other cars come into the equation. Serious question. |
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When you consider that the market is so price sensitive and cost conscious and nervous about another spike in the cost of oil, I can't believe Ford would allow a situation to develop where you can't buy a gas powered Falcon even if you want one.
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Think we all need to take a breath for a second. Sales are down, but subtract gas from last years tally, XR8 sales and wagon sales. That will give us a clearer picture of where it's at. I'd do it, but I have no idea where everyone gets these figures from...
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Caradvice article with quotes from the Ford mouthpiece:
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Yep, but they could do something about it....
No FPV V8s for nearly 5 months last year put them behind to... Now they are saying no F6's to be built before July this year?? Do they even care? Doesn't feel like it. Sounds to me like they need to put a broom through Ford australia, the quickest way to fail as an automaker is not to have an sucessor to your current product, e.g. LPG / XR8. Do that to fleet customers etc and they walk away. Every month they are losing 500 - 750 LPG sales possibly to Holden Commodore LPG and or Toyota with the Hybrid Camry, many of those fleet companies that move now will not come back, you start running 1 - 2 Hybrid Camrys and evetually the entire fleet becomes Toyota based, especially with things like fixed price servicing, fuel economy and projected resale values.... Don't forget we have no wagon anymore either that use to equate to around 500 - 750 units a month too, they have finally dried up... So the coming 6 months will probably be down 40 - 50 % for Falcon on last years sales based on LPG / Wagon / XR8 figures, same goes for utes!! Looks like we better get use to it, Holdens not much better but they still have a full line up and a 7 - 10 year plan atleast. I would still rather a Commodore SS / Calais over a european / japanese car... |
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Maybe these sales will force R and D to do bring forward some very innovative strategies to rescue it like BA (but then we don't have a passionate CEO anymore..)
i.e. here's a crazy idea. Since the Falcon is getting prepared to accomodate Ecoboost, it would be easy to bring in an NA 2.0 model to reduce entry level prices, but they never seem to want to pursue new market sectors, only abandon them. Maybe nobody high up in Ford wants to save it... |
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Ecoboost should be the FG2 XT... that way your not eating into 6 cylinder production on XR6 etc. Really the ecoboost is only going to be for budget fleet hacks anyways, maybe an XT / G6E model only. The new Gas system should be available across the FG2 range tho. So I reckon they should do the following XT - Petrol / Gas / 4 cylinder - Colour Screen - Dual Zone - Side Airbags - Seatbelt Airbags - Leather Wrap steering wheel - 17 inch wheels (16 inch option refund $500) - Heavy duty suspension option - Foglights RRP $34,490 plus on roads / options for 4 pot, add a grand for petrol and $2500 for Gas. XR - Petrol / GAS - Colour Screen - 18's Standard - Dual Zone Standard - Side Airbags - Seatbelt Airbags - Indicators in the mirrors - Reverse Camera RRP $40,490 plus on roads / options. XR6 T / XR8 (above plus) - 19 Inch wheels (18 option less $500) - LED Lighting - Keyless Start - Dual Exhaust (same as V8s). - Luxury pack (leather / satnav) $2000 - Silver Brembo 4 pot option - $2200 - Reverse Sensors standard RRP $48,990 plus onroads / options. G6E - Petrol / GAS - 18 Inch wheel min - 19 / 20 Inch wheel option $1000 - $2000 - Touch Screen with Satnav - LED rear lighting / Led mirror indicators - Adaptive Cruise Control - Keyless start (button) RRP $47,990 plus on roads / options. G6ET - Petrol (the above plus) - Xenon front lights - Front parking sensors - Lane departure camera - 19 inch wheel standard - Alloy spare standard - Dual Exhaust (same as v8s) - Silver Brembo 4 pot option - $2200 RRP $53,990 plus on roads / options. They need to be more realistic with pricing instead of discounting like they do... Since when have they ever sold an XT for 42 kay :S Last edited by Smoke Pursuit; 04-02-2011 at 07:29 PM. |
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