Orion/FG/E8 platform could run until 2016? - Page 3

vztrt · 30-06-2010, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikked

It would be getting close but. The main things the tell me that its last days are near, are its length, the fact that its iron blocked and Ford's global strategy.

I6 has been getting dumped for years, but it survives...just like the Falcon. It will eventually go, but you posting that its days are numbered are about as useful as the media saying tha Falcon is gone next model.

Eventually it'll go, but damm has it had a good run and has impressed so many and made 'newer' engines feel outdated.

Nikked · 30-06-2010, 01:58 PM

Sorry for being a realist...

jpd80 · 30-06-2010, 02:24 PM

Yes, the I-6's days are numbered and at the moment it's around 1825 days.

vztrt · 30-06-2010, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpd80

Yes, the I-6's days are numbered and at the moment it's around 1825 days.

But its been hanging around for about 18262 days....

Jason[98.EL] · 30-06-2010, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpd80

Yes, the I-6's days are numbered and at the moment it's around 1825 days.

gold great post

jpd80 · 30-06-2010, 04:20 PM

A possible clue:

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPFS1

PLENTY of good news on the horizon.......and not only relating to this.... i think ;)

Road_Warrior · 30-06-2010, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ltd

I thought I read somewhere that the I6 is getting a look in for a more industrial application such as in pick up trucks. Wasn't there talk that another marquee was interested in the aussie I6?

Chinese-made airport tugs were being mentioned about a year ago too.

Dr Smith · 30-06-2010, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPFS1

PLENTY of good news on the horizon.......and not only relating to this.... i think ;)

And as we head towards that horizon, how many sailing days before we reach "port"...if you can divulge without causing a tsunami.

Dr Smith · 30-06-2010, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Chinese-made airport tugs were being mentioned about a year ago too.

And on lpg I thought.

jpd80 · 30-06-2010, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

And as we head towards that horizon, how many sailing days before we reach "port"...if you can divulge without causing a tsunami.

announcement on same day as Holden releases the VF Commodore?

Gobes32 · 30-06-2010, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpd80

announcement on same day as Holden releases the VF Commodore?

Will the VF even eventuate? (tongue in cheek.....)

Road_Warrior · 30-06-2010, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

And on lpg I thought.

Correct.

Also, If my research is correct, they may be considering a 'smaller' Falcon for the next-gen platform. So this would indeed open the door for a T-Bird to be platform-buddies with the Falcon.

A premium Lincoln sedan would need to be a bit larger, more like the current E8 size, which is convenient because it would open the door for a new Fairlane in Australia. Smaller than a traditional sized Fairlane, but still bigger than what the Falcon would be with the new platform.

FPV GTHO · 30-06-2010, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Which raises a question in my mind that as a non-engineer I don't know the answer. For a while now about the only negative (in the press that is) that has been aimed at the I6 is it still retains the same bore centre spacings as the early derivatives from many decades ago. What I would like to know is how in hell is that a "negative" and how does this have any bearing on efficiency etc...?

Bore centres obviously relate to the maximum bore width you can run. Efficiency wise i believe a wider bore gives better fuel burn and obviously allows for more valve area.

4.0i_SiX · 30-06-2010, 05:56 PM

What the articles are saying is that the falcon six is outdated because it has been around for 50 years. When in fact the ONLY thing that remains unchanged is the actual spacing of the cylinder bores. There is absolutely nothing negative about this! If you are on to a good thing, keep it that way! BUT the media use it in a negative way saying the engine built in 2010 is somewhat unchanged from the one built in 1960...idiots

Bossxr8 · 30-06-2010, 06:39 PM

The Industry Minister, Kim Carr, was in the engine plant today.

No idea why though. Discussing future plans/funding? Who knows.

Road_Warrior · 30-06-2010, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The Industry Minister, Kim Carr, was in the engine plant today.

No idea why though. Discussing future plans/funding? Who knows.

Probably just a demonstration/walk-through. Might also be something to do with the Bosch deal.

ltd · 30-06-2010, 07:09 PM

Is it just me or does anyone else think that Kim Carr only got that portfolio because of his name?

Bossxr8 · 30-06-2010, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Probably just a demonstration/walk-through. Might also be something to do with the Bosch deal.

The Bosch deal only affects the Casting Plant, has nothing to do with the Engine Plant.

Paxton · 30-06-2010, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The Bosch deal only affects the Casting Plant, has nothing to do with the Engine Plant.

Something's cooking. The regular sources are being quite tight lipped about the whole thing.

As far as I can tell, it involves the engine plant, and the future of Falcon, but in a good way.

**Fordman1** · 30-06-2010, 07:55 PM

Yes there's definately something going on ...

Not sure what though .... yet.

vztrt · 30-06-2010, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The Industry Minister, Kim Carr, was in the engine plant today.

No idea why though. Discussing future plans/funding? Who knows.

He was at Broady the other day, could just be walk through.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11301181

Falc'man · 30-06-2010, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carsguide

If Ford chooses to push the big six out to 2016, the car's silky 4.0-litre engine would need work to meet Euro 5 emissions standards expected to come into force from 2014. But Burela says the company is in a good position not to be forced into a premature decision about the car or its powertrains.

Is this a first?

Road_Warrior · 30-06-2010, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paxton

Something's cooking. The regular sources are being quite tight lipped about the whole thing.

As far as I can tell, it involves the engine plant, and the future of Falcon, but in a good way.

Well all it could be is a new engine line being introduced, or some sort of upgrade to the I6. There is nothing else it could be.

That incorrect rumour/story/media release about the 2.7TD being made here was just that, wasn't it?

Paxton · 30-06-2010, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Well all it could be is a new engine line being introduced, or some sort of upgrade to the I6. There is nothing else it could be.

That incorrect rumour/story/media release about the 2.7TD being made here was just that, wasn't it?

Correct. Burela was misquoted.

jpd80 · 30-06-2010, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paxton

Something's cooking. The regular sources are being quite tight lipped about the whole thing.

As far as I can tell, it involves the engine plant, and the future of Falcon, but in a good way.

Yep, not even a hint at the moment, that's a good sign of something really big....

Road_Warrior · 30-06-2010, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paxton

Correct. Burela was misquoted.

Right. So we know that the 2.7TD, EcoBoost 4cyl and the Coyote are essentially crate engines and will require little if any local involvement from the engine plant. FPV's tinkering with the 5.0 not included.

There is no other engine that would conceivably fit into FoA's product planning apart from the V6 which was canned and will more than likely stay canned for a long time, if not forever.

So that leaves upgrades to the I6.

Ghiadude · 30-06-2010, 08:57 PM

did you see what Mr Carr said in the recent past about the Australian car manufacturing future? Ive read between the lines and I reckon they're going to announce a new export opportunity/partnership with china. Possibly engines if he was in Geelong, but if he was in Broady there may be something more to it...

Ghiadude · 30-06-2010, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

And as we head towards that horizon, how many sailing days before we reach "port"...if you can divulge without causing a tsunami.

Gee your post has a real nautical theme... ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpd80

announcement on same day as Holden releases the VF Commodore?

I hope so as that would be using the dark sides tactics against itself..........

jpd80 · 30-06-2010, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghiadude

Gee your post has a real nautical theme... ?

I hope so as that would be using the dark sides tactics against itself..........

I'd LMAO if Ford now showed Holden and GM how to do a GRWD the right way....

Remember this little tidbit from Gorman back in 2007
(well advanced on LHD)

Quote:

Ford Abandons Export Plan For New Falcon
“That money we got from government for left-hand-drive [Falcons] has been applied to the Focus program so there is no more money,” said Gorman.

“They are partners in our investment strategy - both the federal and state governments. What they have seen is the number of (Focus) exports will be equal to or greater than the number of left-hand-drive Falcon exports would have been. It fills our capacity and strengthens our ability to be competitive domestically.

“So they saw that and they agreed to come along for the ride.”

Ford investigated the left-hand-drive export opportunities for Falcon and Fairlane primarily in the Middle East. Holden, which is GM’s global rear-wheel-drive homeroom, exports both Commodore and the long-wheelbase Statesman to the Middle East, rebadged as Chevrolets.

“We were actively looking at left-hand-drive Falcon and we clearly advanced that pretty far,” said Gorman. “It wasn’t my decision (to not proceed) because it wasn’t my investment.

“The corporation [Ford] had to decide if that was the right investment to put the right product into the Middle East versus other choices. And when you look at the choice to put Focus here, that is a much, much better near-term choice.

SteveJH · 30-06-2010, 11:12 PM

Yeah, and then neither happened....So what happened to all that money?