Crush street racers' cars

[billsta]

The media is making a mockery of car enthusiasts.
Yes there are hoons amongst everyone and it suprises me that has only just hit the fan with so many groups doing their mid week cruises or late night runs on the highway or in industrial areas.

The biggest problem is that we are part of growing community that have our cars as our hobbies and don't have a dedicated place where car enthusiasts can enjoy their car with friends in a safe environment.
Even though we have our quarter mile tracks, and circuit tracks we really need another option where car enthusiasts can go on a weekly basis and have some fun doing their stop starts and roll-on runs on a dedicated strip environment dedicated to road registered vehicles and get their thrills in a more laid back environment and giving the enthusiasts another option.
Another fact is specifically in Sydney trying to co-ordinate a day to hire any one of the tracks is almost impossible with the tracks being booked up for months.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by billsta

The media is making a mockery of car enthusiasts.
Yes there are hoons amongst everyone and it suprises me that has only just hit the fan with so many groups doing their mid week cruises or late night runs on the highway or in industrial areas.

The biggest problem is that we are part of growing community that have our cars as our hobbies and don't have a dedicated place where car enthusiasts can enjoy their car with friends in a safe environment.
Even though we have our quarter mile tracks, and circuit tracks we really need another option where car enthusiasts can go on a weekly basis and have some fun doing their stop starts and roll-on runs on a dedicated strip environment dedicated to road registered vehicles and get their thrills in a more laid back environment and giving the enthusiasts another option.
Another fact is specifically in Sydney trying to co-ordinate a day to hire any one of the tracks is almost impossible with the tracks being booked up for months.

If only someone with ALOT of $$ had the balls to make a facility. I cant remember which Fast and Furious movie it was (dont laugh Im serious), but they had some racing thing out in the desert.

It doesn't need to be in whoop whoop, but a big facility to accommodate such thing would be a bold move.

Unfortunately I think there are to many hippes around for this to ever happen. And making it "safe", even though you would sign a disclaimer would be nearly impossible.

[billsta]

To tell you the truth I've looked into it and there is a air strip that may be avialable in Sydney as I have contacted the General Manager of the airport and they are trying to work out a night during the week that may fit in with their flight schedules. The only issue is that they are unsure of the future of the airstrip in twelve months time. A proposal has been made and myself and a group of ppl have looked at the feasibily of this and the inital upstart costing, which we can accomodate, the problem is finding the space to do this.

[Interceptor]

they admit one of the drivers was driving while disqualified, and the other was driving in breach of his passenger restrictions...... both were breaking the law BEFORE they even started the race

its obvious that the people who race on the street couldnt care less about the law, so wtf does that tard think the threat of crushing thier car is gonna do???

still, i suppose thats what you get when you try to borrow an idea from a country that voted george bush in as thier president......

[billsta]

We are investigating all possible options though nothing wil happen this year there may be options for something to eventuate early next year.
I am meeting with someone in October if this meeting has the positive outcome we are hoping for then we are hoping to have something like I described up and running as early as feb next year.

[RAREV8]

Originally Posted by HOON69

My username leaves me open doesnt it?
im not far behind you in the age bracket,and i have been on both sides of the fence,I was a Active Street Racer back in the M1 fun Run days,i also have learnt from my mistakes,i also aint no angel and openly admit i do break a road rule or two(whom doesnt) what i hate about topics like this is simple,half the whingers against Hoons had their time and now think because they have been there and done that,that they can put crap on the new generation of drivers and call its justified to do so,I dont have a car worthy of the "hoon status" i drive a family van 1.8litres of fury,i also drive a 4wd and to think i could fall under these BS laws because my standard cheese cutter tyres squeel and i could face the same penalty a street racer doing 200kmh is kinda BS to me.

BTW i never raced in traffic, and most racers dont, they usually pull up before traffic or wait till its passed ;) just so you know how real racers do it ;) ii dont condone Hooning and i accepted my punishment and have learnt from it.

theres one rule i follow: Time and Place and thats where most hoons come undone ;)

dont paint us all with the same brush ;)
The laws now are tough enough, these new ideas do nothing to change the road toll nor will they slow down Hoons who insist on going out thusday,friday,saturday nights to race a few Bogans and Ricers

No worries mate! it makes for an interesting debate- if we were all had exactly the same opinions, it would be pretty boring! ;)

I know only too well that most of us enthusiasts occasionally drive ina lively fashion- I'm not denying it but the amount of absolute I see here in Sydney daily pi$$es me off....most of them have no idea how to control a car, never mind if things get out of shape...saw a moron the other week driving in and out of traffic as fast as he could and then lost the back slightly which was easily recoverable but he panicked and crashed...luckily everyone else on the road slowed down and let him crash on his own!

Its these types that deserve to feel the full extent of the law- not your every day car enthusiast.


Cheers, Jamie

[flappist]

Originally Posted by billsta

To tell you the truth I've looked into it and there is a air strip that may be avialable in Sydney as I have contacted the General Manager of the airport and they are trying to work out a night during the week that may fit in with their flight schedules. The only issue is that they are unsure of the future of the airstrip in twelve months time. A proposal has been made and myself and a group of ppl have looked at the feasibily of this and the inital upstart costing, which we can accomodate, the problem is finding the space to do this.

The problems you will have with airstrips are:-

1) Insurance for public liability
2) potential damage to aids such as VASI, PAPI and PAL.
3) potentially leaving objects or fluids on the surface.
4) potential "interesting situation" if an aircraft needs to land for whatever reason
5) potential damage to the surface by motor vehicles.

Good luck with it though.

As far as crushing, well that is just dogmatic stupidity. If a vehicle is if fact confiscated permanently then:
a) put it on the "written off" register so it can never be registered again
b) donate it to high school/tafe/tech college for the students to strip/rebuild/strip/rebuild/strip until it is dead (a few weekes usually)
c) donate it to motor safety organisations for ab initio training.
d) donate it to film and television training organisations for cutting up to fit camera jigs etc.
e) other uses that I have not thought of yet.

Basicly USE IT FOR THE GOOD OF SOCIETY good not just to feed the mental masterbation and fantasies of the scroobies of the world.

[billsta]

Originally Posted by flappist

The problems you will have with airstrips are:-

1) Insurance for public liability
2) potential damage to aids such as VASI, PAPI and PAL.
3) potentially leaving objects or fluids on the surface.
4) potential "interesting situation" if an aircraft needs to land for whatever reason
5) potential damage to the surface by motor vehicles.

Good luck with it though.

All your points are very valid and are all being looked at as we speak and have been mentioned by the other party, if it's too difficult then the Plan B is the meeting in October with a race track operator so we'll see how we go on both fronts.

[savagE]

Fiery brought up the best point. All you aged drivers out here did it when you were our age.

I do my burnouts and racing out of the city and away from public and so do I deserve to have my car crushed? Pretty hypocritical since you lot were doing it at our age and yet we aren't allowed to?! Git F!

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by flappist

As far as crushing, well that is just dogmatic stupidity. If a vehicle is if fact confiscated permanently then:
a) put it on the "written off" register so it can never be registered again
b) donate it to high school/tafe/tech college for the students to strip/rebuild/strip/rebuild/strip until it is dead (a few weekes usually)
c) donate it to motor safety organisations for ab initio training.
d) donate it to film and television training organisations for cutting up to fit camera jigs etc.
e) other uses that I have not thought of yet.

Basicly USE IT FOR THE GOOD OF SOCIETY good not just to feed the mental masterbation and fantasies of the scroobies of the world.

While ultimately yeah crushing isn't the be all and end all of solutions, it would be rather humorous to see some punk who has had several chances have his ride crushed in front of him/her, it would be gold.

But yeah, there are more worthy causes. I think the thing to keep in mind is that there needs to be some ends to all the fines and impounding, as alot of the time some people just wont learn and continue to break the law.

I assume the US does it because of the numbers they catch, dont think it would be anything like that here.

[Jake F6]

Originally Posted by Tiapan

oh and lets be honest, out of about 200,000 suscessful street races only about 0.2 people are killed, more people die each year of beestings! you dont see honey becoming illegal

Exactly.

You will never get a road toll of zero - it's just statistically impossible.
Just like you will never achieve a figure of zero "workplace injuries".

Harsh punishment doesnt't really make a difference. Even the death penalty
in the 'US and A' doesn't stop 10 murders a day from being committed!!!

Doesn't Australia have one of the lowest road tolls in the world ??

Let's face it, every day that you leave your home you risk slipping and falling
over, having a car accident, or getting hit by lightning - THIS IS LIFE !!!

I don't think we want governments to wrap us all up in cotton wool do we?

[The Yeti]

I think there has been alot of interesting comments both good and bad (IMO) but as far as in my day there were open areas etc there still are and they still get used and as a rule I have noticed the penrith police know there there and pretned not to (I A ssume other areas have simular).

Yes we have all done somthing that could be classed as hooning (I know I have) the bigest the public have (my self included) is why the hell do these idiots choose roads like the great western high way that is less that 10k form WSID.

[Mechan1k]

Originally Posted by b2tf

How is it the car's fault? I dont see how crushing them serves to solve the problem.

True ... crush the driver instead ... :hihi:

[RAREV8]

Originally Posted by BLACK XR6-VCT

Doesn't Australia have one of the lowest road tolls in the world ??

Per capita- no.

Let's face it, every day that you leave your home you risk slipping and falling
over, having a car accident, or getting hit by lightning - THIS IS LIFE !!!

Agreed- life is dangerous and regardless, you'll die at the end of it but that doesn't mean that some ****er who thinks he's a God behind the wheel has any rights to endager anyone elses life through reckless and dumb pursuits.
I don't think we want governments to wrap us all up in cotton wool do we?

Definately not! there's plenty of scope to have heaps of fun, we just don't want the minority (and that is who is to be targeted) ruining it for everyone else here...we all love our cars and want to be able to enjoy them and you are right, we can't expect to bring the road toll to zero- it will never happen but if we can reduce it without forcing everyone to drive at 20kph, its worth a shot!

I drive modern cars, muscle cars and commercials from time to time and in a spirited manner sometimes but have never been pulled over other than 1 RBT- and I do big K's and drive in all states apart from NT very regularly, so it is possible to stay on the right side of the law and still have some fun..so far! :evil3:

[Ford_Crazy]

I'm waiting for the day to have standard issue Toyota's handed out to all by the government and labelled the peoples car! HEIL HOWARD!!

I can see it now, 60 km speed limiter, runs on water, has smiley stickers on the bonnet and a florally decorated interior.

Frigin media shits me, I dont agree with people doing 150 km/h down a suburban road, but these laws give police way too much power for my liking.

[Badcooky]

Just because they make a law it doesn't actually make it legal,no can take your property ,that's theft,and if they take it and destroy it well you get the idea.
If these laws went to the higher courts they would be changed,thrown out on their ear but as no one has pushed it it won't change .
No one has any right to take your property that's actually law.

[stiddy]

A fairly new R8 commi, with a bloody loud exhaust lives a few houses down, every time he takes off you hear him. He gives it a bit of stick, I live in a 50km/h estate.. My car is bloody loud, and id be lying if I didnt see redline every day.
We both leave for work at the same time in the morning, we dont race, but we acknowledge eachother and do tend to sit higher than the speedlimit leaving the estate and follow eachother out on to windsor road. Also a really wild Torri lives next door, I havnt seen it on the street yet, but he starts it and revs it nearly every weekend..
Hell, yesterday I went for a run in a mates car for the first time, 300+rwkw BAXR6T boy did that get a hiding, had the old man up the street shaking his head cause we chirped under brakes and then boosted up exiting a corner. So my car, my mates, neighbours car and the R8 down the road should be crushed? PFFT what a load of crap, if a car was to be crushed it should be a 200km/h into the parliment house splattering all the politicians.

I remember about 6years ago, theres a little town near me with a road called Airstrip Rd, me and my mates used to go out there after school with our cars, and paint lines on the road, mark out 400m and have our own drag track, middle of know where, only people can get hurt are ourselves, rd was about 600m long with dirt on either side for a fairly big distance, and we used to race all arvo, was about 12-13 cars on average, sometimes upwards of 25.. even had the cops out there every couple of weeks to make sure we werent getting too carried away, we even made bets with them on who would win.. Damn they were the days.

Theres nothing that can be done to slow people down. WSID you get a great turn out, but 10mins after the even finishes you get more people racing on the Great Weastern Raceway... ops I mean Highway, than what you do at wsid.
Liverpool Krispy Kremes, 11pm saturday night, hundreds of cars waiting for someone to lead them out to the illegal streets, which ive been to many times.. as a spectator of course.
Crushing cars, tougher penalities, gaol, higher premiums, might reduce it, MIGHT, but I cant really see any real changes with behaviour on the roads.

[Bucknaked]

I wonder how many metal drink coasters you could get out of a crushed Commodore. Must be at least 100?

[FPVTurboTaxi]

How can the law allow some young coppa fresh out of the academy be allowed to determine if my 60 thousand dollar f6 should be crushed
what is street racing ?

well driving a car that is aproved by adr to perform like it does , i do not brake traction , it accelerates like a rocket until it hits the speed limit where i back off . in his fully vl turbo beside me decides to dump it and squeel wheels and try and catch me .off to the crusher we go

wott a load of cr@p !!! this whole street racing gives me the u know whats !!!!

[HOON69]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

I wonder how many metal drink coasters you could get out of a crushed Commodore. Must be at least 100?

most non debatable comment on FFAU
well put ;) :

Originally Posted by scottishxc

No worries mate! it makes for an interesting debate- if we were all had exactly the same opinions, it would be pretty boring! ;)

I know only too well that most of us enthusiasts occasionally drive ina lively fashion- I'm not denying it but the amount of absolute I see here in Sydney daily pi$$es me off....most of them have no idea how to control a car, never mind if things get out of shape...saw a moron the other week driving in and out of traffic as fast as he could and then lost the back slightly which was easily recoverable but he panicked and crashed...luckily everyone else on the road slowed down and let him crash on his own!

Its these types that deserve to feel the full extent of the law- not your every day car enthusiast.


Cheers, Jamie

I lived in Canberra,western nsw and even sydney,i moved to brisbane and have to say Sydney is bad but you gotta see Brisbane drivers :P
everyone these days is a car enthusiast,but only 10% mean it literally,i mean that the only guys who are,ae the guys who only drive on club days dont associate with the hoon groups and prefers the strip to thash their car on or the car show to show it off,these types are the real car enthusiasts.

im still debating if i should pull rank and post a video or two of a few ffau guys doing naughty things ;) even the ffau crew aint angels mate ;) (think i might keep it secret incase i got in twubble)

[elgt146]

The "Hoons" are a minority and the cause of deaths through this minority is even smaller.

There is and always will be accidents and deaths and people will do as they please even if it means breaking the law. Yes they may think twice but they will still do it, maybe just somewhere else.

I am pretty sure everyone is guilty of some sort of hooning, racing, having a go from lights of some sort throughout their driving lifetime.

This is just a knee jerk reaction to the media's high exposure of a minority group. It is all about ratings and headline stories. (Supercar scare will be around the corner)

Do we see cars being confiscated, crushed for drink drivers who rate among the worst offenders of deaths on our roads.? Do we see them loosing their cars after 3-4 maybe even more offences. No

It comes down to common sense. If your going to have a go somewhere do it somewhere safe, preferrably a race track.

Accidents do happen and always will happen whether it be in a car or doing something else. You just need to accept the consequences if something occurs.

Also be interesting to see if Mr X in his Phase III gets caught hooning whether they go crush his collectable.

While I'm at it, what shits me is they tell us there are more and more deaths every year on the roads but no-one tells us how many more cars, drivers are on the road and grow every year. Of course their will be an increase because of the population and car growth.

[Sledgehammer]

Originally Posted by Badcooky

Just because they make a law it doesn't actually make it legal,no can take your property ,that's theft,and if they take it and destroy it well you get the idea.
If these laws went to the higher courts they would be changed,thrown out on their ear but as no one has pushed it it won't change .
No one has any right to take your property that's actually law.

Yeah they can take your assets if they deem it under law. Passing the legislation makes it legal, their are several situations already where the government, police etc can seize your assets.

[Badcooky]

Yeah the proceeds of crime deal that's legitimate,but taking your hard earned property is theft plain and simple,when it gets challenged in the courts we will see.

[SNB05T]

Originally Posted by billsta

The media is making a mockery of car enthusiasts.
Yes there are hoons amongst everyone and it suprises me that has only just hit the fan with so many groups doing their mid week cruises or late night runs on the highway or in industrial areas.

The biggest problem is that we are part of growing community that have our cars as our hobbies and don't have a dedicated place where car enthusiasts can enjoy their car with friends in a safe environment.
Even though we have our quarter mile tracks, and circuit tracks we really need another option where car enthusiasts can go on a weekly basis and have some fun doing their stop starts and roll-on runs on a dedicated strip environment dedicated to road registered vehicles and get their thrills in a more laid back environment and giving the enthusiasts another option.
Another fact is specifically in Sydney trying to co-ordinate a day to hire any one of the tracks is almost impossible with the tracks being booked up for months.

BINGO :hihi:
after reading through all the bs and winging on this thread you've hit the nail on the head.

the only real problems with getting a dedicated area to let off steam

Will the govt approve it (considering the tools that do this sh!t on the street wont be on the street raising revenue

Who is going to give up the land and resources that is needed to build and maintain the area

Will it be cost affective i.e ( are we going to be able to afford to use it)?

How long will the red tape and other crap prevent this from happening?

i'd gladly go to and pay for the right to use an area like this, just like im going to use wsid more often after i finish the work on my engine.

i have raced and hooned on the street, but am leaving that behind me now, the fact that im 30, and getting married in 2 months. ive got other things to look forward too like taking my kids to the legal drags and v8 supercars when we have them, not which tool im going to smoke off at the lights on the princess hwy.

thankyou, keep it on the track

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[Rock ape]

Can you get insurance against car crushing lol.

[colossus]

Why don't they crush drink drivers cars, or crush pedophiles testicles ect. Until then it is pure media hysteria drummed up to sell papers and anyone who thinks otherwise needs their head read....

[schnoods]

I reckon they should crush the drivers. Two birds, one stone.

[merlin]

Its too subjective - who decides if you were street racing? Witnesses? Witnesses are notoriously unreliable...

So most of us drive modified cars which either "look fast" or "sound fast". So we take off normally from a set of lights, and some dreamer in a VL flies past us to prove something and stacks it into grandma smith in her Camry. Some good citizen or Harold Scruby type character immediately jumps to the conclusion (because lets face it the general public stereotype all modified/performance car/bike owners) and tells the police that the Falcon V8 was racing - car crushed. Sounds fair...not.

[WINDSR]

IMO the media has lot to do with this 'HOON' label.

[sleekism]

Am I on the Camry forum?????

Why are people nodding their head and agreeing with these laws??
It's fair enough to say do it on a racetrack but last time I checked there is no racetrack within two tanks of fuel and even the ones in the city are barely open to the public.

Have a look on youtube. Notice how most street races occur in the dead of night in industrial estates, highways and back roads.

You can say all you want about how cops wont abuse the laws but you know they will. I always get long hard looks by cops, followed and even pushed to speed by cops who will sit right on your tail.

Do you watch american cop cheases?? They kill fifity people just to stop one person who was speeding do you want that??

Believe me I love my car and have a lot of money invested in it. They can pry the car out of my cold dead fingers. Geez now I'm going to have to get the speed limiter removed unless they bring in those cop Diesel Astras