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And just thinking about it, I think they may have even been JS2s, not T34s.
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I remember hearing a Sherman crew man tell the story of the time they got fed some wrong location info, and ended up running into a couple of Tigers. The whole unit got blown to hell as they watched their shells bounce off the Tigers.
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Yeah the Sherman was always going to be the biggest loser against a Tiger. By the time the US Army planners stopped their infighting about tanks, got their collective **** together and allowed tanks like the M-26 Pershing to be deployed, the war was basically over.
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The Tigers did have reliability issues but the T-34 was even worse. In almost every major battle there were more T-34 casualties than Tigers, even when the Tigers were outnumbered, but of course you need to take into account anti tank guns and air raids. The big factor of the Russian campaign losses for the Germans was supply and the huge front (I remember when I first read about how massive the front extended it blew me away) and the worst winter that Russia had seen in a long time, the same thing happened to Napoleon when he invaded. It's hard to really rate the Soviet Army, especially when you look at how they treated their own soldiers and the losses they suffered, I think arguably the German army of WW2 is one of the most impressive of all time.
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Although I love the look & idea of these aircraft, I cant see the reason that we are spending huge dollars on this type of aircraft in the name of defence of the country.
But we continue to hire firebombing aircraft that get used every year in "defence" of the country against the annual threat of bushfires. I would have thought that at least the purchase of a couple of skycranes or fitting out a couple of old C130's with some tanks for fighting fires instead of sending them off to the scrappers would be money better spent. |
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Soviets treated there soilders badly the german command treated there's bad to no retreats fight to the death child soldiers hardly boy scouts
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Sounds like an F-35 on the ground.
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The drawn Luger made volunteering quick and simple. Basic daily training was this... The local abattoir would dump the offal on a field of mud, spanned by barbed wire. The soldiers would crawl, weapon in hand through this 'stuff', weapon in hand with live machine gun fire skimming the wire. Quite a few 'cadets' failed this training when they lifted their head. After two weeks of intensive training, he was parachuted into Leningrad. He had a scar on his hand, a present from a Russian bayonet. Sometimes, a simple chat in the local pub, blows the mind of a 24 year old man (me). At 12 years old, I was still playing with Dinky toys and building 'cubbies' in the bush. When you are starving, people taste good. Didn't mean to go off topic, but I see there has been a few deviations here, which probably isn't too bad, seeing as we are talking about war machines.
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The Germans used to refer to Shermans s Tommy Cookers .
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Not to sure about the Sherman being referred to as Tommy Cookers, but an equivalent British Tank certainly was. I'll check this out. A mate of mine is full bottle on this stuff.
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I have heard the Sherman referred to as a Tommy Cooker plenty of times (Google it), but another nickname i am familiar with is "Ronsons" (after the cigarette lighter) for their propensity to catch fire when hit by German tank shells, this was based on the Ronson Company's famous slogan, "lights first time, every time." Funnily enough it’s also known that when they were used as flame throwers in the South Pacific they were also referred to as Ronsons by the U.S. soldiers....
The British used the Sherman in WW2 (maybe where the Tommy Cooker comes from) and it wasn't until the British fitted there 17 Pounder Anti Tank gun to it that the Sherman was able to take on the Panther and Tiger at standard combat ranges, look up "Sherman Firefly"..... For a good write up on the Sherman have a read of Death Traps: The Survival of an American Armored Division in World War II by Belton Y. Cooper
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We need to look after our own interests and most that were in regards to the F35 were ignored because of the relationship with the US. What will they ask for next?
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Personally I think we need a deterrent and we cannot rely on our allies to do all the work. History has shown we are not great at predicting wars, for example look at what Australia/Britain/USA spent on defence in 1937 and 1938 and then look what happened in 1939.
Lot of military projects look like failures at the start, but then seem to come good (not all, Sea Sprite was a dud) To me the I am not sure about the Collins class, although I have been advised by someone that works in the Navy that they do very well in war games and apparently they can be quiet. Initially the F 111's we thought to be failures and now a lot of people think they are great. Tiger II tanks where almost unbeatable on the battlefield, just a case of too little too late, Allies resorted to aerial attacks and even carpet bombing to take them out. If you want an account of what WWII was about read a book called "Forgotton Solider" Author I think is Hal Sajer (not 100% sure of spelling etc) very interesting read, goes on about shell shock, rocket artillery
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Man, these F-35s look very impressive. I would love to fly one of them. I tried to get in but my eyes suck, lol.
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Lol not at all
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Edit http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliame...nceExpenditure Some information on what Australia spends on defence, interesting 1937 and 1938 we were reducing what we were spending on our defence force. If they knew back then that war was imminent then surely they would have increased defence spending
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Our platform needs to in some way be aligned with our "mates" from across the pond.
Aussie JSF's in different theatres will benefit from a common tech background. F18 super hornet shares a common engine with an F16 and an F15, making knowledge on training/fitment/overhaul easier. At the very least with JSF as a platform in Europe, asia, The Americas we have a common platform. How the aircraft will REALLY perform comes down to game day. See all the bad press about the F22?? Recently I read somewhere that an Iranian F4 was poking around near an outer warning area in the gulf and an F22 flew right up underneath it in order to check its weapons/electronics loadout. When the F22 was done, it broke back and flew on the F4's wing. Poor IRIAF pilot, must have a few more grays now lol
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WW 1 pilots in the early days were quite friendly towards enemy pilots, they would usually smile and wave, it all went wrong when someone threw a brick at someone else and from there pilots started arming themselves with various weapons, until finally they added weapons to the planes.
(note sure if it was a brick or something else, someone explained to me how it all started but I cant recall)
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I'll say it again if 7000+ Nuclear warheads that could probably erase any country off the face of the earth within a couple of hours is not a big enough deterrent then you are clearly wasting your time aren't you? A good comment was made before, why not spend some of that sort of money defending against something that actually does kill Australians every year and invest in more fire fighting gear and troops, instead of this imaginary threat used solely to grow the war budget and sell planes. Bit off topic now so back to the F35.
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I'd rather not live in fear of something that realistically will probably never happen. Not too mention if a bigger country did decide to "rough us up" all the F35's in the world couldn't stop them if you don't have the pilots to fly them. We couldn't even dig in as gorillas because we have no guns lol. We're a small country, we would never be able to defend against a bigger country. That's why we stay friends with them.
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