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Gee, i wonder if Deveraux's continual begging for government money may backfire. You certainly woudlnt go out and buy a car if at the stroke of a pen, GM can just basically disown Holden and let it collapse (especially if the books show liabilities exceed assets). Its not like they dont have a proven track record of trying to get out of warranties for Old GM and Saab.
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For Holden to receive $149 million in funding over three years and comply with government guidelines,
they have to have spent at least three times that much starting up the Cruze production in Australia, if that is true then they would have spent approximately $450 Million, maybe $500 million with Cruze hatch stamping and tooling. PS, my figures on FG build numbers came from Russell's. tech resources... We also know that Cruze retails from $21K to just over $32K while Commodore /Falcon and their Ute derivatives sell for roughly the same prices. the difference is Territory, its prices keep the Ford plant's combined product pricing much higher. That's not insider knowledge, that's just simple deduction from information everyone else can see..... Last edited by jpd80; 10-01-2012 at 11:37 PM. |
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Well the truth finally comes out, How long has Holden been going on about how good they are and these ******** journo`s go on about how Ford is going to pack up and leave. I hope Holden get a leg up just so I can see the headline in big black print Holden cost tax payers $300 million and don`t know how to make a profit. Another guy who is just sick of the Holden and journo propaganda.
I`m sure all the closet Holden guys on the forum are in tears.
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Jp I hope you didn`t think i was referring to you. i actually find the effort you go to your posts commendable.
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It's their parent company I have issue with and the way they have left Holden hung out to dry so many times... On topic, Does anyone have any info on how much funding Holden would be looking for? Would they need something like $100 million or so to keep Commodore "alive"? If so, that's not a big ask..... |
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[QUOTE=jpd80Does anyone have any info on how much funding Holden would be looking for?
Would they need something like $100 million or so to keep Commodore "alive"? If so, that's not a big ask.....[/QUOTE] A year ....?? They can ask... http://www.usdebtclock.org/
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What amazes me is that people still think Holden is much safer than Ford because they run two shifts,
everytime you look in the press, it's always production numbers, it's always the most sales. I get it that Holden now builds a very popular small car in Australia but filling your plant with vehicles that retail at around thwo thirds the cost of your large cars is a dual edge sword, the money Holden wants to make from Commodore sales is now being replaced by Cruze production. I have no idea of the difference in internal costs to build a Cruze versus a Commodore but since Cruze was needed to keep Commodore and Elizabeth plant viable, everything must be OK... Maybe this is just Ford, Holden bleating about funding cuts after Toyota got funds for new Camry..... Time will tell.. |
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I understand Ford will never be held in the same regard as Holden by the Australian public or media however it's built cars for longer in Australia and last time I looked both have US parents that pull the same strings and both employ Australians...and why don't Gover, Hagon, Spinks et al...just go back to writing roadtests on cars....wouldn't that be novel for motoring journo's. Last edited by Dr Smith; 11-01-2012 at 08:50 AM. |
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it was a story about holden yet they still had to slag off ford about sales numbers, dropping the ball. they get bagged out for not exporting cars but i think they were not allowed to by fordglobal arnt they
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Some members make me laugh. Rather than being proud of Ford for going it alone they whinge that Holden gets a handout. If Ford got a handout they'd still only build cars that no one buys so why bother. They've got LPi, ecoboost, a world class turbo/na 6, and a ball tearing V8 all in a fantastic package, but they have a woeful marketing dept and so it becomes all irrelevant as the sales dont support it. Govco money wont change that. |
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the only aussie built car i have seen advertised on tv is the terri cant remmember the last time i saw a falcon ad. its like they want it to die
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Jpd80's contributions to this and many other forums are nothing short of excellent. Jpd80, keep on keeping on! Always a pleasure reading your posts mate.
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Gotta luv Holden Num nuts opinions on this
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It will go to Thailand or some other place and do what others have done like Bonds (Australia)? Then sell them here as if nothing has changed.
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I'd be curious to know how many people are able to put food on their tables as a direct result of the auto industry as a whole, from parts suppliers, road transport and the guys on the line too.
You would have to think that making a large % of them redundant and in turn putting extra pressure on welfare gap payments until they found other work, wouldnt take long to soak up 200 million dollars taking into account the lost tax revenue in the meantime. The evidence in Adelaide can be scene as recent as the Bridgestone closure which despite a huge campaign to reskill, still took some time for the 600 employee's to find work. Compare that to the 3000 employees on the floor at Elizabeth, not to mention the huge workforce making parts in Edinburugh Parks and the guys bringing bulk product to them, myself included. It just wouldn't be feesible to allow them to fold and i doubt the incoming Jay Wetherill would allow its fate to be signed off on so early in his tenure. Mitsubishi was a different story as the appeal of the Magna just wasn't as strong as the Commodore/Cruze is now despite the shift away from large platforms, they were just flogging a dead horse propping MMAL up. The desal plant at Lonsdale would have soaked up its share of the redundant workers down south, we dont have any large infrastructure projects in the pipeline in the northern suburbs to compensate. Losing the Elizabeth plant and the support structure surrounding it would be disasterous to the state economy IMO. I must admit though, some of the guys are getting rediculous hourly rates which doesnt help the bottom dollar. A good mate works in the paint shop wet rubbing imperfections and he told me he was doing 12hr shifts at around $95hr over the last couple of months. Just my 2c worth as a nervous northern suburbs SA resident. |
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