US Elections - Boring or Important to Aust? - Page 21

superyob · 23-01-2017, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cs123

But you are in Australia. You are not middle class USA.

Why do you support him?

Does not matter if I am bogan class (which I am), the concept will find its way into Oz eventually...

**Fordman1** · 23-01-2017, 08:24 PM

This thread is so full of "Alternate Facts".

If US politics wasn't a runaway circus, it is now.

Franco Cozzo · 23-01-2017, 09:32 PM

As far as Hillary Clinton goes, she was one of the architects of the failed Libyan intervention which created another poostorm in the Middle East.

Also the build up of weapons the US was doing with some European nations basically right on Russia's borders.

It looks like Putin and Trump are happy to work with each other (on face value anyway), anyone who can smooth over those relations is on a winner I reckon, Hillary Clinton wanted way too much involvement in the Middle East.

How does it effect us? Where the USA wants to go fight proxy wars and intervene means we will follow to help them out.

The biggest negative I see is that we rely on the USA and their presence in the Pacific for protection, if they want to pull out it leaves us wide open for an aggressor to make moves.

Trump · 24-01-2017, 09:57 AM

Trump signs executive order to withdraw the US from the Trans Pacific Partnership:

http://www.theage.com.au/world/presi...23-gtxb5k.html

He's on borrowed time if he keeps this up.

**cs123** · 24-01-2017, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Trump

Trump signs executive order to withdraw the US from the Trans Pacific Partnership:

http://www.theage.com.au/world/presi...23-gtxb5k.html

He's on borrowed time if he keeps this up.

The whole TPP is a funny thing. Very polarising.

The trouble with it was that is was negotiated in secret.

I'm not even sure it was a good or bad thing that it was scrapped.

Trump · 24-01-2017, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cs123

The whole TPP is a funny thing. Very polarising.

The trouble with it was that is was negotiated in secret.

I'm not even sure it was a good or bad thing that it was scrapped.

The secrecy was the very reason it was so polarising. No one knew anything about it except for the faceless bureaucrats doing the wheeling and dealing.

tranquilized · 24-01-2017, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cs123

The whole TPP is a funny thing. Very polarising.

The trouble with it was that is was negotiated in secret.

I'm not even sure it was a good or bad thing that it was scrapped.

See this is to me one of the most interesting aspects of this whole Trump situation. The TPP was widely condemned by the left, and I believe rightly so. One of the biggest issues with it was the ISDS inclusions, which allowed corporations to sue countries if their government makes a decision that negatively impacts their profits.

Read about it here but it's a bit dry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invest...ute_settlement

It's utterly insane. I think Australia is fighting Phillip Morris right now because of their decision to introduce plain packaging. It's not under the TPP obviously, but under another free trade deal with Hong Kong which has opened the door for that division of Phillip Morris to sue the Australian Government for harming their profits because they made a decision based on health impacts of our population. The TPP was going to open the door for those kinds of cases between all the signature countries, with US companies standing to benefit the most. Whether the country being sued wins the case or not doesn't help the fact that they'll be out of pocket millions of dollars to mount the fight. El Salvador just won a case against a mining company they didn't grant a license to on environmental grounds- to "win" it took 7 years of court hearings and $12 million...

Our government want in because they're a pack of neo-liberal $%^#@##$ - nothing should stand in the way of the free market - but for it to be Trump to actually put an end to it is very interesting. Now all I hear on the news is how questionable it is for the deal to fall through, how harmfull it'll be for Australia. It's a win for the left but they're remaining strangely quiet...

I'm not a Trump supporter, in fact I'm getting more nervous about this little experiment day by day, but good riddance to the TPP! Definitely chalk up a point to team Trump on that one.

superyob · 25-01-2017, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tranquilized

The TPP was widely condemned by the left, and I believe rightly so.

The left in Australia or USA?

CoupeKing · 24-01-2017, 10:35 AM

Must be fake. I though he ''jettisoned'' all his promises

Syndrome · 24-01-2017, 10:51 AM

The leftards preach peace and love for all but are hypocrites as they are some of the most hateful people and stoop to levels such as attacking children

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/par...a3863f3f71a6d5

**cs123** · 24-01-2017, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

The leftards preach peace and love for all but are hypocrites as they are some of the most hateful people and stoop to levels such as attacking children

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/par...a3863f3f71a6d5

That's deplorable.. and the person responsible has acknowledged the error and apologised.

However it isn't just the left that does this. The right is just as bad.

Clinton's daughter copped a pasting from memory.

We do it in Australia too....

Syndrome · 24-01-2017, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cs123

That's deplorable.. and the person responsible has acknowledged the error and apologised.

However it isn't just the left that does this. The right is just as bad.

Clinton's daughter copped a pasting from memory.

We do it in Australia too....

The right don't pretend to sprout peace and love to all so there is no hypocrisy.

**cs123** · 24-01-2017, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

The right don't pretend to sprout peace and love to all so there is no hypocrisy.

So you are ok to be assholes to others. It get your feeling hurt when some returns the favour?

Too funny.

smoo · 25-01-2017, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cs123

That's deplorable.. and the person responsible has acknowledged the error and apologised.

However it isn't just the left that does this. The right is just as bad.

Clinton's daughter copped a pasting from memory.

We do it in Australia too....

She apologised after the backlash for that comment. One year ago she may have gotten away with it. In the past few months folk have cottoned on to the absolute BS lies and slander directed towards trump in the past twelve months, which slotted into overdrive when he went from a **** take to a serious threat for presidency. This stupid ***** along with all the other childish liberals are still in denial, and still oblivious as to how people have seen through their BS. I'm still seeing at least two anti trump articles or opinion pieces on my local rags website, daily!

Note how she linked a negative white male stereotype (mass shooter), to trumps ten year old son.
Can you imagine the back lash if a journo implied one of Obamas daughters will end up as a single mother crack whore on the street of Detroit.
the difference is, is that negative stereotypes are only acceptable if the are aimed at straight white men.

The 'right' don't throw their toys out of the cot when faced with insults or some home truths. A prime example of the liberal anti trump hypocrisy was over the weekend when this beta male ***** stoves a female reporter in the face, while they're marching for women's rights! Again, further proof liberalism is a mental illness.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S1eb9vQ1vAk

Along with four black men beating a disabled white man for supporting Trump, and many other cases, don't expect this to feature on mainstream media.

CoupeKing · 24-01-2017, 10:41 AM

Day 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFy6CiuSLYc

CoupeKing · 24-01-2017, 11:14 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML5Y9Pe5yLU

ford71V8 · 24-01-2017, 11:58 AM

https://youtu.be/nnERQIhsCFc?t=71

CoupeKing · 24-01-2017, 03:06 PM

**cs123** · 24-01-2017, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CoupeKing

You talk about the cult of celebrity but then make repeated posts fawning over Trump.

It's getting kind of awkward to watch.

CoupeKing · 24-01-2017, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cs123

You talk about the cult of celebrity but then make repeated posts fawning over Trump.

It's getting kind of awkward to watch.

Never watched his show.

Can always use the block feature if it's too overwhelming.

**cs123** · 24-01-2017, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Never watched his show.

Can always use the block feature if it's too overwhelming.

Nah I'm used to kids getting all excited about stuff. My daughter was into one direction and Bieber for a while

She grew out of it

Trump · 24-01-2017, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cs123

Nah I'm used to kids getting all excited about stuff. My daughter was into one direction and Bieber for a while

She grew out of it

I thought you would have gone with the "my daughter was into one direction and Bieber for a while, it went nowhere" line...

**Ratmick** · 24-01-2017, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cs123

You talk about the cult of celebrity but then make repeated posts fawning over Trump.

It's getting kind of awkward to watch.

I want to see the part of the movie where 'Maverick' smears into the inside of the canopy...

...you know I'd pay to see that then I'd buy it on bluray

ford man xf · 26-01-2017, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cs123

You talk about the cult of celebrity but then make repeated posts fawning over Trump.

It's getting kind of awkward to watch.

And yet none of these celebrities have put their money where their mouth is, if they are so concerned with America and the issues that they lecture us all about why don't they risk it all and enter politics like Donald Trump has?

I think we both know that they won't....

It sure is getting awkward to watch celebrities preaching to us all from their ivory towers...

MITCHAY · 26-01-2017, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ford man xf

And yet none of these celebrities have put their money where their mouth is, if they are so concerned with America and the issues that they lecture us all about why don't they risk it all and enter politics like Donald Trump has?

I think we both know that they won't....

It sure is getting awkward to watch celebrities preaching to us all from their ivory towers...

You could say the same about our Trump supporters and why they should move to America? Obviously a lot of love for him here. Maybe they should put their money where their mouth is too.

ford man xf · 26-01-2017, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

You could say the same about our Trump supporters and why they should move to America? Obviously a lot of love for him here. Maybe they should put their money where their mouth is too.

The Trump supporters here don't need to enter politics, they have Donald Trump.
The celebrities on the other hand are complaining about anything he does, yet have no alternative solution, they offer nothing, they could enter politics and offer solutions to these so called problems, yet they don't?

The best part I personally loved about the celebrity "uprising" against Donald Trump was the part when a number of them threatened, no, PROMISED to move to Canada if Donald Trump was elected, but why Canada? Why not Mexico? What's wrong with Mexico? Why would they move to Canada which is a majority white / anglo-saxon country, aren't these celebrities being a touch racist?

superyob · 26-01-2017, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

You could say the same about our Trump supporters and why they should move to America? Obviously a lot of love for him here. Maybe they should put their money where their mouth is too.

Trump supporters never virtue signalled their intent to go anywhere, unlike the loud pharisaic proclamations of many so called celebrities...

tranquilized · 25-01-2017, 12:20 AM

Both I'm pretty sure. Was widely described as a corporate handout.

Franco Cozzo · 25-01-2017, 12:57 AM

I like how he is treating the media, they're a pack of scumbags, treat em like mushrooms, feed them **** and keep them in the dark.

Don't tell them anything.

Peterwl · 25-01-2017, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I like how he is treating the media, they're a pack of scumbags, treat em like mushrooms, feed them **** and keep them in the dark.

Don't tell them anything.

This reminds me ( and those old enough to remember ), of a great 1970's Queensland Premier, Sir Jo Bjelke Peterson.

When he called a news conference ( with only a few lefty journalists then ), he stated that he was "Feeding the chooks".

He used this term often for the media !

A'h, when Australia was governed well.