a current affair

[rodderz]

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[NudgE^SIKBRO]

ill never forget back in the day ACA (or alike) did a story on our little Crapi convertables and what shitbarges they were. its not holdens fault they built a **** car, its not fords fault the EAs werent great... unfortunately in building motor cars trial and error is the only way to work it

[XRchic]

A Current Affair is shyte.

[Outbackjack]

No car manafacturer is amune from this type of hype. But the dealers and the factories could do much more to prevent the situations getting out of hand. My little sister bought a 750i BMW a few years ago. I think it was a V8, but I dont know too much about these cars. She had nothing but problems with the car. After 12 months of ownership she had it on the road for 7 months. The rest of the time the car was "being fixed". The main difference here was that after 12 months BMW offered her her money back minus rego and tax's, or supply a new Beemer. She took her money back and bought a new Land Cruiser and installed a swimming pool. If holden or ford for that matter gave that kind of customer care, custumers would be lining up to buy their product. :eclipsee_

[bob 351]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

No car manafacturer is amune from this type of hype. But the dealers and the factories could do much more to prevent the situations getting out of hand. My little sister bought a 750i BMW a few years ago. I think it was a V8, but I dont know too much about these cars. She had nothing but problems with the car. After 12 months of ownership she had it on the road for 7 months. The rest of the time the car was "being fixed". The main difference here was that after 12 months BMW offered her her money back minus rego and tax's, or supply a new Beemer. She took her money back and bought a new Land Cruiser and installed a swimming pool. If holden or ford for that matter gave that kind of customer care, custumers would be lining up to buy their product. :eclipsee_

yep what you said

[Wally]

How come ACA is ridiculed consistently in this forum for being sensationalist and lightweight, but when it runs a story that serves to knock holden it suddenly has some credibility? I had a very serious and dangerous manufacturing fault on one of my not so long ago Fords that head office refused to acknowledge, until I got serious with them..... I didn't run off and to whine ACA. Similarly I didn't run to them with my VE split fuel tank either.

[GXL078]

Originally Posted by NudgE^SIKBRO

ill never forget back in the day ACA (or alike) did a story on our little Crapi convertables and what shitbarges they were. its not holdens fault they built a **** car, its not fords fault the EAs werent great... unfortunately in building motor cars trial and error is the only way to work it

Mazda 3 I had was very reliable.

[XRchic]

Originally Posted by Wally

How come ACA is ridiculed consistently in this forum for being sensationalist and lightweight, but when it runs a story that serves to knock holden it suddenly has some credibility? I had a very serious and dangerous manufacturing fault on one of my not so long ago Fords that head office refused to acknowledge, until I got serious with them..... I didn't run off and to whine ACA. Similarly I didn't run to them with my VE split fuel tank either.

My sentiments exactly.

[Ford_Boy]

There's more threads on this topic. They should all be merged. I really think people wouldn't have made the mistake of reposting if the tittle said "billion Dollar flop". I admit all car manufacturers have promblems including our beloved fords but I know it sounds cold but I don't really care if holden suffer from this. Ford US has gone through far more troubles. Holden will still be selling heaps of cars. I just want Ford Oz to leap frog holden come Orion. I hope Orion is a massive success and all this time and developent goes to good use.

[bathurst77]

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its not holdens fault they built a **** car, its not fords fault the EAs werent great...
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OK... so whos fault is it?

[fordbarbie]

i agree with everyone bagging aca.
i remember seeing this advertised yesterday before the show was on, and even tho they were clearly gonna bag holden on the show, there was no point in me watching it. these programs break so many media guidelines that the stories they show never represent both sides fairly.
all car companies have lemons. i've got a friend with a clubby who's had that replaced, and i've got a friend with an xr6t who's been back to ford plenty of times to get problems fixed with not much success.
this time they've just simply chosen holden over ford to bring down.
yes, it is funny that the wheels car of the year is the one having problems, but one of their new VEs beat my boyf's 400kw xr6t last night off the line, so they're still not bad cars.
respecting your enemy will assist in beating them

[arm79]

Seriously, those in here bagging Holdens on the basis of ACA really need their head checked.

You'd be the same kinda people as this bloke on ACA wearing a HRT shirt, thinking Ford's are gods gift to the motoring public.

My EL Ghia spent much time in getting warranty work. In total it cost Ford $11k for repairs. And that is at the reduced rate Ford pay their dealers.

What about BA's that have turbos falling off. Bad oil leaks. Brake shudder. I know of one BA thats had a full respray and one thats had a 1/2 respray. Cheap 2 pinion diffs that self implode. 4speed autos that regularly explode their gear sets under high power (to which Ford replied to replace the gear sets with EF/EL equivalents because they were stronger than the BA stuff). V8 engines that explode due to valves randomly falling into cylinders. Front seats that snap their support frames because the metal is too thin. Bolts that were forgotten to be done up. The list goes on.

If you think that makes Ford any better than Holden, I think you are sorely mistaken.

Both manufacturers shovel us up pretty ordinary cars. The only difference here is that ACA waited until after the VE won COTY to make their story more newsworthy. I'm sure you will find the story would have been about Ford should the BF had been in winning position.

[merlin]

Originally Posted by XRchic

A Current Affair is shyte.

I concur.

How on earth did they manage to fit this in between their regular stories:
- good fitting bra's
- shopping bargains
- too much red tape in local councils
- number one holiday destinations
- single mothers
- centrelink ripoffs
- online bargains

Hard hitting investigative journalism dealving at the real issues...yeah right..

[uranium_death]

Originally Posted by merlin

I concur.

How on earth did they manage to fit this in between their regular stories:
- good fitting bra's
- shopping bargains
- too much red tape in local councils
- number one holiday destinations
- single mothers
- centrelink ripoffs
- online bargains

Hard hitting investigative journalism dealving at the real issues...yeah right..

Don't forget troublesome, lazy teens, or teenagers who get pregnant!

But back to the cars...

People aren't laughing at Holden necessarily because they think Holden make crap cars. It's more the fact that Holden bragged like buggery over their "Billion Dollar Baby", even having their own TV show about it. In the meantime, the BA Falcon in 2002 was released with comparatively no fanfare, no tv shows or anything, but in its own right, I think it still competes bloody well with the VE, despite it being 4 years old at the time of the VE's release.

The BFII ZF 6 speed has made the Falcon almost on a par with the VE. But nobody cares for facts.

The Orion WILL have teething problems.
Regardless of how much you spend, you can never get rid of human error. That is largely what we are seeing here.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by uranium_death

That award no longer has any credibility to me. The JB Camira, TM Magna and now the VE are showing that. The Aurion, although not as sexy, is a more reliable car. The BFII is an excellent car but because it isn't new, it doesn't get a mention.

Holden has a big following and they'll buy Wheel's stuff if it has Holdens on it. There is money in it for Wheels.

It's dirty.

You'd have to add the BA. Remeber the large amount of problems that the early models had....still having.

[Night Runner]

Yupe, I saw it....funny as hell. All manufacturers have problems but not all get on national TV. Most news programs are crap, that's their job, drama queens the more they can make your mouth drop the more dinner they have on their tables.

Fact of the matter is, Holden got bad publicity, I won't lose any sleep over it. :

[AUXRVIII]

Originally Posted by Wally

How come ACA is ridiculed consistently in this forum for being sensationalist and lightweight, but when it runs a story that serves to knock holden it suddenly has some credibility? I had a very serious and dangerous manufacturing fault on one of my not so long ago Fords that head office refused to acknowledge, until I got serious with them..... I didn't run off and to whine ACA. Similarly I didn't run to them with my VE split fuel tank either.

I think a mature woman with her head on national television conveying to the world that her almost new "car of the year" has been off the road longer than on, having to fork out for a rental and being told by same brand dealer to get rid of it asap for as much as she can get does have credibility because the words came from her mouth, not the presenter. Regardless what medium delivered the message, the facts remain.

[AU3 HERROD XR8]

There was also a time I'm sure you all would remember about the Aussies in Irak and how they were interviewing a soldier about the situation in Irak. The channel 9 crew, (I don't remember 100%) but they put like injured soldiers in the background of the soldier being interviewed and guns being shot for no reason and when the interviewer asked the soldier what was going on back there the soldier replied "Oh that's just what the channel 9 crew told us to do to make it look more 'dramatic'. "

Correct me if I'm wrong anywhere but either way it was a funny and embarressing moment for channel 9

Back to the Holden topic, I think i remember a guy mentioning he had to get his diff and gearbox repaired or replaced TWICE.

[Super Snake]

Originally Posted by Hitman

Quick, everybody jump on the bandwagon, and bag the a$$ outta the new Holden, because Ford have never released a new model that's had teething problems and had dealers that don't care have they??

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=689

We could start with the EA.

[Super Snake]

You are always going to find a make of car that will have some problems.
But if the Dealer is not prepared to help, then you are always going to have a sour taste in your mouth.

[mik]

Originally Posted by AUXRVIII

I think a mature woman with her head on national television conveying to the world that her almost new "car of the year" has been off the road longer than on, having to fork out for a rental and being told by same brand dealer to get rid of it asap for as much as she can get does have credibility because the words came from her mouth, not the presenter. Regardless what medium delivered the message, the facts remain.

she must have got a friday car

[GK]

Originally Posted by Ford_Boy

I admit all car manufacturers have promblems including our beloved fords but I know it sounds cold but I don't really care if holden suffer from this.

I just want Ford Oz to leap frog holden come Orion. I hope Orion is a massive success and all this time and developent goes to good use.

Agreed and agreed!

GK

['63Deluxe]

My VY had some problems but they were all fixed without question by the dealership. Lucky I had Holden assist too ...... ah now the penny drops...

I sold the car a couple of months back because the warranty was ending as I could see some of the problems recurring and being quite expensive.

[Wally]

Originally Posted by AUXRVIII

I think a mature woman with her head on national television conveying to the world that her almost new "car of the year" has been off the road longer than on, having to fork out for a rental and being told by same brand dealer to get rid of it asap for as much as she can get does have credibility because the words came from her mouth, not the presenter. Regardless what medium delivered the message, the facts remain.

The interview was not a random pick of some woman in a VE commodore. It was a solicited and verballed taping of a woman with an axe to grind (who probably left a whine on the ACA website). The other examples of lemon cars were not VE, but it didn't stop ACA inferring they were.

I'm sure if you carried out your own investigation, you would find the car hasn't been off the road longer than on. From my experience in the mechanical services industry, one day discomfort becomes twenty eight day imbroglio when a woman gets a bee in her bonnet.... you should know this from your time being cared for by your mother and or wife. :

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by merlin

I concur.

How on earth did they manage to fit this in between their regular stories:
- good fitting bra's
- shopping bargains
- too much red tape in local councils
- number one holiday destinations
- single mothers
- centrelink ripoffs
- online bargains

Hard hitting investigative journalism dealving at the real issues...yeah right..

You forgot
- dodgy mechanics
- where you live and gorosry prices

That aside my BA never made it between serviceswith out atleast 2 warranty come backs every thign form brake shudders duel Zone Ac packign it in Air bags seat frames you name it it was back for it, I truly hated that car and couldnt wait to get out of it. On the same not based on the BA experance my wife got herself a used VZ with 15k on the clock as a family truckster after the unforutnate demise of her AUIII and its been great its now doen 90,000 its been back to holden twise once for a diff clunk and the next time for an AC fault its been a great car, I realy struggeld hard to deside on my next car then I drove the Captiva and desided the Territery was a great car, thats said it was back at the dealer day 2 for a loose steering wheel (yes the nut holding it to the colum was loose)

[nb_351]

Originally Posted by xcgxl

Mazda 3 I had was very reliable.

ours still is... lol
fraction under 20k and no problems at all...
the only thing thats starting to arise is a fairly noticealbe vibration at cruise speeds, it gets worse the faster we go...
i balanced the rims 2 weeks ago as an attempt, then balanced them yesterday... still there...
weve had the tires on it from month 2, i know its not them...
probably an engine mount problem im thinking...
but yeah, everything has its problems...
sad to say it, but orion will have problems... hopefully nothing safety related, like the rack issues(au) or split fuel tank(ve)... but rest assured it will have teething problems...
look at the huge amount ford invested in the ba, and look at the 30 odd pages off problems regarding the model worth half a billion or whatever it was...
they should just replace problem cars, and if the dealer can then fix the problem inhouse, put them on the used car lot as pre loved cars... im sure theyd get rid of a ba falcon with 5000kms for a few thousand off...

[AUXRVIII]

Originally Posted by Wally

The interview was not a random pick of some woman in a VE commodore. It was a solicited and verballed taping of a woman with an axe to grind (who probably left a whine on the ACA website). The other examples of lemon cars were not VE, but it didn't stop ACA inferring they were.

I'm sure if you carried out your own investigation, you would find the car hasn't been off the road longer than on. From my experience in the mechanical services industry, one day discomfort becomes twenty eight day imbroglio when a woman gets a bee in her bonnet.... you should know this from your time being cared for by your mother and or wife. :

A person doesn't take out a rental if the car is going to be off the road for a day or two, dealer will help organize a service loan car or a used car from the yard. You say it was a solicited and verballed taping of a woman with an axe to grind, well it still doesn't change the fact that she doesn't have her new car to drive, defend Holden and bag ACA all you like, SHE STILL DOESN'T HAVE HER NEW CAR TO DRIVE. I don't recall ACA inferring the VZ's were VE's. Seems to me you are the one with an axe to grind.

[AUXRVIII]

Originally Posted by mik

she must have got a friday car

I'd say you might be correct.