Anyone for Nasho? - Page 2

atec77 · 03-08-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by max

Seems that a particular politician thinks the introduction of compulsory military national service should be on the agenda. I've had my marble come up years ago. What are people's thoughts?

Great idea , helped me realise I was spoilt and grow up quickly ,
:newangel:

Panda · 04-08-2006, 10:59 AM

I was in the Army Reserve for about 5 years after leaving school. It was worthwhile and taught me a lot about myself.

I would support the government making it compulsory. I do not suggest that any conscripts are sent to war, leave that to the Regular Army, or the Reserves if it is required.

Military service teaches discipline, work ethic and mateship. Not only that, but you get to shoot some BIG GUNS. Something that you can't pay to do outside the military. I enjoy blowing things up

and to get paid to do it was just a bonus. (I'm smiling at the moment remembering all the stuff I either used or saw in the reserves - pistols, rifles, machine guns, hand grenades, rocket launchers, claymores, artillery, tanks, APC's, helicopters)

Panda

dandaman · 04-08-2006, 11:23 AM

If national service was to be bought in why is everyone fearing going to Iraq, i'm pretty sure australia would only send in their best/well trained troops, not some kid who's done 3 months basic training straight into a war zone.

Also conscription and National service are 2 different things, as i'm from an eastern european country where it's still practised. my dad had to do 2 years national service and then you're out, just means if a war comes along, then you know the basics to fight etc.

If you're conscripted, it usually means you're going to war, national service is ie 12 months training and you're out.

That's from what i know anyway

Nappa · 04-08-2006, 03:15 PM

i'd be up for it, i'd love to be in the army, but im held back as im colourblind, sure i could be in the army but only as a cook or a storeperson, no offense to anyone who's in the catering corps but i dont really wanna be a cook,

Anyhow national service could really help some young men and women out and they may discover they want to make a career of it.

MO · 04-08-2006, 08:10 PM

To all those that pointed out that the USA does not have Nasho's...it used to I didn't know they had stopped it.

So much for remembering the King and his army time.

pauljh74 · 04-08-2006, 11:09 PM

I'm sure current defence force personnel wouldn't want some punk who doesn't like to play by the rules alongside them. I don't think it is a good idea to teach these troublemakers (who would be a minority) combat skills either. There's many younger people who contribute to the community and have a good attitude who would have their futures put on hold if forced into National Service

The Australian armed forces have a good reputation - lets not water that down by forcing them to babysit some problem young adults and others who are there because they HAVE to be there. It's not the Defence Forces' job.
There's also reports of soldiers - past and current - being hung out to dry by the government in regards to veterans services like health. Also the serving soldiers preferring to hang onto their old gear as the new gear is rubbish and not up to the job.

I think the problem is nowadays that we love our country, but hate the pricks who run it. Hands up who wants to get shot at so Johnny Howard can earn brownie points with George W Bush?

Smoked · 05-08-2006, 12:06 AM

As a current serving reservists, i would not like the idea of having dead beats beside me, especially if you give them a live automatic weapon. Ive seen our people, who usually arent bad turn nasty.

XA-Coupe · 05-08-2006, 10:44 AM

Sorry to burst bubbles but wars happen and always will. Humanity just cannot get on, it's a fact. Left wing dreaming won't ever change it.
Conscription as a concept is another issue. There are plenty of people, and not just 'kids' that could use a dose of discipline and training. Personally, I think something needs to be done but restarting the 'nasho' thing isn't really the answer. Perhaps they could turn the internet off at the weekend and force people to get out .. well, turn it off for everyone except me

MO · 05-08-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by XA-Coupe

Sorry to burst bubbles but wars happen and always will. Humanity just cannot get on, it's a fact. Left wing dreaming won't ever change it.
Conscription as a concept is another issue. There are plenty of people, and not just 'kids' that could use a dose of discipline and training. Personally, I think something needs to be done but restarting the 'nasho' thing isn't really the answer. Perhaps they could turn the internet off at the weekend and force people to get out .. well, turn it off for everyone except me

LOL........

Interceptor · 06-08-2006, 11:17 PM

IMO it'd be a good idea

YuGoStaR · 07-08-2006, 08:48 PM

I am 20, and I don't need to waste several months of my life, learning to fire a weapon, and be taught how to show 'respect'. Perhaps if everyone stopped addressing my generation as disrespectful and deadbeats, we would change our attitude and show some 'respect'. If I wanted to join the Armed Forces I wouldn't have gone to Uni. And if they choose to introduce such a policy, you can bet that I won't be sticking around once my course has concluded, as would be the case with many young people of that age, I am sure of that. So how to you think that will affect our skills shortage, oh great leaders...
A ridiculous concept in every aspect.

MO · 07-08-2006, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by YuGoStaR

I am 20, and I don't need to waste several months of my life, learning to fire a weapon, and be taught how to show 'respect'. Perhaps if everyone stopped addressing my generation as disrespectful and deadbeats, we would change our attitude and show some 'respect'. If I wanted to join the Armed Forces I wouldn't have gone to Uni. And if they choose to introduce such a policy, you can bet that I won't be sticking around once my course has concluded, as would be the case with many young people of that age, I am sure of that. So how to you think that will affect our skills shortage, oh great leaders...
A ridiculous concept in every aspect.

And you young sir need your bum kicked till your nose bleeds....you have no ffnn idea about the real world.

IT does not owe you a living you owe it service because you have been given the right to participate.

If you don't want to participate...then I suggest you go live under a bridge or in Lebanon!!!!!!!!!!!

charles_wif_xf · 08-08-2006, 10:24 AM

As I said earlier, I admire the people of Australia's defence force, but MO, if YOU really had an idea about the real world, you'd desert quicker than you could say howdy doody, if nasho's were reintroduced. I've been to too many places and spoken with people from many walks of life all around the world to know nasho's are a VERY bad idea in the current political/economic climate.

GreenMachine · 08-08-2006, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MO

And you young sir need your bum kicked till your nose bleeds....you have no ffnn idea about the real world.

IT does not owe you a living you owe it service because you have been given the right to participate.

If you don't want to participate...then I suggest you go live under a bridge or in Lebanon!!!!!!!!!!!

Mate, it's Tuesday - Tuesday is the happy pill day, not the angry pill day!

Yugostar brings up a perfectly valid point - he's started himself on a career path that involves uni, a qualification and a job. He's clearly pointed in the right direction. Why does he need to be sent off to attitude adjustment school?

mcflux · 08-08-2006, 10:37 AM

Shoot For The Dole? <tm>

charles_wif_xf · 08-08-2006, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Shoot For The Dole? <tm>

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Simmo · 08-08-2006, 11:30 AM

i'm 21 and if worst comes to worst i'm for nasho. i have pride in this country and if my help to defend it was required i would cop it sweet. however i would want a choice in my direction. as a grunt i would be friggen useless. as a battlefield technician or something i would excel. just cos i'm unfit and only know computers doesnt mean i should be put through the wringer of infantry.

GreenMachine · 08-08-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Simmo

i'm 21 and if worst comes to worst i'm for nasho. i have pride in this country and if my help to defend it was required i would cop it sweet. however i would want a choice in my direction. as a grunt i would be friggen useless. as a battlefield technician or something i would excel. just cos i'm unfit and only know computers doesnt mean i should be put through the wringer of infantry.

Delusions of grandeur... All under 25's are cannon fodder at best, mate.

Now back in line before MO kicks the snot out of you.

mowog · 08-08-2006, 11:43 AM

I spent 20 years and 17 days in the RAAF and I wouldnt want to see national service ever. It was hard enough at times dealing with people who wanted to join let alone dealing with poor souls forced into service.

And the Govt needs to fix how it treats injured servicemen and women long before they force people to enlist.

Simmo · 08-08-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenMachine

Delusions of grandeur... All under 25's are cannon fodder at best, mate.

Now back in line before MO kicks the snot out of you.

yeh yeh, typical nick answer. my cousin has gone from infantry to this support role and thats what i'm willing to contribute. at least i'm putting my hand up and not just sitting back with the rest of us 'young disrespectful punks'.

Bucknaked · 08-08-2006, 12:26 PM

Totally against it. I refuse to let me child be forced to join because of government policy and be sent to war against his will. This concerns me as a parent. If it's his choice to join the services, then i respect that and I support his decision. My father was in the RAAF, and I grew up as a RAAF brat. But I am not going to sit on my hands while my child is made to go away to war. I'm not having my family so the government has more soliders at it's disposal. Law or no law, my childs life is not there to be used in war times for a sacrifice. I will defend the life of my child, before I ever defend this country.

Psycho Chicken · 08-08-2006, 12:43 PM

Pfffft not go infantry?

They never made a movie about a poage!

charles_wif_xf · 08-08-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucknaked

Totally against it. I refuse to let me child be forced to join because of government policy and be sent to war against his will. This concerns me as a parent. If it's his choice to join the services, then i respect that and I support his decision. My father was in the RAAF, and I grew up as a RAAF brat. But I am not going to sit on my hands while my child is made to go away to war. I'm not having my family so the government has more soliders at it's disposal. Law or no law, my childs life is not there to be used in war times for a sacrifice. I will defend the life of my child, before I ever defend this country.

Only if there were more parents like yourself Buck.

Simmo · 08-08-2006, 12:56 PM

so are you going to sit on your hands while this country gets attacked. you cant say your going to oppose conscription if we have half an army on our beaches driving us back into the bush are you? whats the point of a family if your slaughtered by foreigners. to me this attitude is just as bad as apathetic teens but you have the moral highground so you win on principle. double standards.

MickyB · 08-08-2006, 01:03 PM

If Australia was being attacked, then I would happily take up arms to defend the best country in the world, other than that, I'm not in favour of national service.

Bucknaked · 08-08-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Simmo

so are you going to sit on your hands while this country gets attacked. you cant say your going to oppose conscription if we have half an army on our beaches driving us back into the bush are you? whats the point of a family if your slaughtered by foreigners. to me this attitude is just as bad as apathetic teens but you have the moral highground so you win on principle. double standards.

So the life of my child is only there for the defence of this country. Well if thats the case, then what sort of parent am I to have childen in the first place. You can sacrifice the life of your child like they do in some countries. Some countries they breed their children to become suicide bombers. In a democratic country like our's, I would have thought that the choice to live or die, is not in the hands of the government.

I will defend the life of my child, before I defend any government and their policy.

I make no appolgies.

Psycho Chicken · 08-08-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Simmo

so are you going to sit on your hands while this country gets attacked. you cant say your going to oppose conscription if we have half an army on our beaches driving us back into the bush are you? whats the point of a family if your slaughtered by foreigners. to me this attitude is just as bad as apathetic teens but you have the moral highground so you win on principle. double standards.

Mate, look at what the diggers did in WW1 and WW2. Not one of those was forced into being there.

We don't need conscription from a tactical point of view, I'm not even going to touch Vietnam with a 50 foot pole and if we were ever in a position to need troops in massive numbers again I'm sure enough people would put their hands up.

I sure as hell don't want some punk in a weapon pit with me who's been forced to be there. I know the nashos in Vietnam did the job just as well as the regular diggers, but youth has changed a lot in 40 years.

I'll be the first to agree a lot of people my age need a good kick up the ****. The army isn't the answer.

Although you can force them into the chair force and navy all you want!

Simmo · 08-08-2006, 01:17 PM

what are you family people prepared to sacrifice then if the time comes? you cant just sit at home and expect to be fine. just wondering what you side is if youre going to sit there and say 'they aint taking my kid!'

XA Coupsta · 08-08-2006, 01:17 PM

Passionate debate.

I'm honestly on the fence on the issue.

On one hand I think yes - then after reading some posts I then think no.

Its making for interesting reading.....

charles_wif_xf · 08-08-2006, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Mate, look at what the diggers did in WW1 and WW2. Not one of those was forced into being there.

Please tell me you are kidding!!!! There were plenty of people who volunteered to fight in a war Australia had no business being involved in (WW1) but the majority were kids from nasho or conscripts. WW2 was all nasho and conscript kids, bar the officers who the vast majority of them saw no time on the battlefield.